Ciaran

iTrader: (16)

Bought a new passat in 2013
Today received this


Now I don't really care that it's worse emissions than stated (I work for Shell in oil and gas industry)

I never realised this but when the car is in neutral it doesn't rev past 2k revs.
This obviously isn't high enough for the MOT (2.5k)
In order to allow the car to rev out you have to push the ESP button and it then revs out.
It turns out by doing this your switching to a totally different MAP just for the emissions test!

Now surely the car I have bought in good faith knowing it has low emissions and I'm doing my bit
For the planet has been miss sold? It's simply not what it says on the tin.

Where does this leave VW?
Surely I could claim and either return the car or be refunded in some way as i would imagine the second hand value of my car is now lower than it would have been due to this?

In reality if it does effect the second hand value I will just keep the car for 10 years

Opinions?

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Yep, for the very reasons you've pointed out, they're bound to face some major class-action law-suits over this (more likely because performance is below advertised after the 'technical fix' has been applied, than because emissions were higher beforehand), or cases of individual people such as yourself either demanding a refund of some kind, or using the situation as leverage to get other freebies out of them. What with that and the fines from the EPA and who knows how many other US and/or EU departments, their total bill for the fiasco is going to make BP's payouts for Deepwater Horizon look like pocket-change.

On a totally unrelated subject, do you really want to be making your car reg, VIN and full first and last name publicly viewable as you are here in that picture?

mart360

Its quite ironic,

All these people worring about MOT's, getting cats hot, additives. Egr cleaning products, and in reality they were moot, as the cars had there own built in emmissions software...

Lets be honest, how many of us are so outraged that we need to remonstrate.

If you had been told you have a car that would pass the MOT no matter what when you bought it, would we have taken the moral high ground, and insisted it was 100 % emmisions friendly.

We'd have been straight to the mappers, and had some extra ponys saddled up

The MOT is only snapshot taken at the point of test. so if you lambda or cat failed driving away from the test centre, unless your car threw a CEL, youd be none the wiser until the next MOT


What would be the double whammy of irony, would have been the press reporting global warming / carbon emmisions had been significantly lowered following stringent emmisions changes lol

At worst you'll get a remap, cant see them changing engines TBH

mart

mart360

You advertise your VIN and reg on a daily basis, as do 90% of us, whats the problem with that?

Mart

Ciaran

iTrader: (16)

Correct I couldn't give a flying frog it's not got my address.

What's somebody going to do with vin?

Turbohot

I was thinking exactly the same. Then again, you know what scoobynet is like. Full of dodgy geazers. What if someone clones his Passat, you know. Things like that do happen. Ok, you do shout out loud your reg on the road when you drive your car around, but you don't exactly shout out your VIN number, to be fair.

BTW Cairan, good choice of car. I also drive the tank. Shame about this emission fraud. Shame on VAG dodgers.

Turbohot

TBH if someone is to dodge, they could dodge it on your local garage level where you take it for any sort of work etc.

No need to be paranoid, I agree.

People here are too cautious. They don't trust one another at all. They can't probably trust themselves either.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Your Passat has a DPF; regardless of map or software it will breeze through all current and future MOT SOOT tests...that is all the mot tests on diesel emissions..black smoke. A very crude measurement via a glorified smoke detector (laser and calibrated photodiode in a box - a CD player is more complex) An intact DPF gives a near zero reading on a Mot smoke test. Unlike a car without one fitted.

This saga is mainly about Nox emissions- it will be a very long time that's tested at Mot; no garage will be willing to replace all their costly equipment on the government's whim. And what if it's not Euro 5 emission compliant? Who cares! Nobody tests it after the car is sold and used; and do you honestly think it'll remain within euro 5 limits by the time it's ten years old with 100k on the clock when all the inlet tract is gunked up with sludge from the Egr and oil breathers?

So the only thing I'd want to know is fuel consumption and reliability; does this "service action" increase fuel consumption or reduce reliability? Yes or no ? If it's it's yes I'd want compensation ( or not have the work done).

As for vin; All I need to get an entire vehicle's details is just the reg number; the Dvla sell it to us. Just as well as it makes ordering parts a breeze.

c_maguire

My main concern would be if the alterations affect the performance. The ongoing crusade for stricter emissions standards probably passed a sensible practical level about 15 years ago and the way I drive mpg worries are somewhat pointless.

ScoobyWon't

Is that really the reason you decided to buy that car?

Beastie

iTrader: (2)

My one year old VW Beetle also affected. I like the way it goes now, not sure if I will get the recall done. As has been said they don't test for NOX and SOX at MOT. Need to wait and see what the fix is, could be a Urea system.

If it is done, it will be straight to Superchips for a 170bhp map. if that is still possible after their tinkering.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

We should all be concerned about emissions. If car manufacturers cannot meet current standards without cheating then it's time they were forced and penalised to develop more efficient emission engines whether electric hybrid or hydrogen

neil-h

Of course it is, it's the reason everybody who owns a VAG group car affected by this 'scandal' bought a diesel...

Tidgy

seems to be affecting most diesel cars now

Ciaran

iTrader: (16)

No not in the slightest. But when I smell compo I am bothered :0
Needed a car with enough room in the inside for the pram and dogs but not a car so big the wife would crash it.

It's most likely going to be replaced by either a E63 or RS6 as I miss having a quick daily

thenewgalaxy

Got my letter this morning too. An A3 TDI Quattro 2.0 170.

S204Darren

As if it's not bad enough buying a new VW these days, my poor son picked up his brand new T5 van 2 weeks ago and today he pulled away from a junction and the side loading door fell off! No joke the door as he put his foot down slid open and fell clean off the van! 2 lads in a van behind him helped him pick it up and put it in his van. Un fooking believable! He'd saved up for it for ages God bless him, he's gutted!

Ciaran

iTrader: (16)

Couldn't have been shut properly? Did it slide open and basically slide off the end of the runners?
Still a bit poor though

S204Darren

I forgot to mention prior this this when he first left home the icon on the dash showed the side loading door was open he pulled over the door was shut tight but he opened it and shut it again then pulled away and it fell off. To be fair VW have given him a courtesy van but he's gutted. This shouldn't happen.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Meh. I have to deal with a entire fleet of fiat Scudos that now have the side doors held on with ratchet straps! Despite repeatedlyreplacing the rollers and runners, the company's employees have got that fed up of them falling off they now just strap them shut just in case!

Also like Vw They also have emissions issues.....the pikeys keep nicking the cats out the exhaust.

ScoobyWon't

This scandal makes me glad that my drive is a '67 Citroen. It can pump out whatever and no-one will bat an eyelid.

hedgecutter

iTrader: (5)

Just got the letter on my Skoda superb 4x4 170..... Not really surprised, as I had a T4 from new, sold with an electrical fault ( no wipers ! Can`t find any thing wrong, sir), rust bubble after 2000 miles ( they claimed it was a stonechip after poking a biro into it) 3 sets of glow plugs , and a water pump in under 30000 miles. VW T series vans are just style over substance, a bit like Audis !

MelTypeR

iTrader: (4)

Also had my letter through for my 2012 Q5, which was a surprise as I checked the VIN on Audi's website 2 weeks ago and it was showing as not effected. then last week I got the same letter as above. What's strange is mine has the adBlue system already fitted? So in my case I wonder what change they would make to it, can only imagine it will be a map change etc, im just hoping it wont effect the performance.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

I would assume that vw will be subject to the real on road simulation emission test. This is to ensure that they actually meet euro5/6 levels. Seen as virtually no car meets these emission levels at the moment. Vw will be used as an example. I'd be very surprised if performance wasn't adversely affected, either acceleration and fuel economy

hodgy0_2

personally I would not have anything done whatsoever

(unless my car was not performing how I thought it should)