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Old 30 November 2013, 04:53 PM
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What is it that makes a twinscroll setup produce so much more torque than a single scroll? I've a 2005 uk sti with a built 2.1 and I'm looking at converting it to twinscroll. Is it the equal length headers or the twinscroll turbo that give the jdm's that bit more? Thanks in advance
Old 30 November 2013, 05:33 PM
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Think the main point with the JDM set up is that it produces much more torque in the lower rev range, rather than much more peak torque. I believe it is mainly the twin-scroll set unit (it reduces interference of the exhaust pulses in the manifold by having twin feeds to the turbine) rather than the headers that gives this effect, though the EL headers are more efficient also.

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Old 30 November 2013, 07:50 PM
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The equal length headers help with the increased torque and you get a better torque range lower down which is where you need it, they do produce more than a similar single scroll but that is all to do with the complete setup.
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Don't the jdm's have different cams and poss heads or is that just the spec c?
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The jdm and uk heads are the same but cams are a different profile (don't know which). The spec c has big port heads I believe
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u still not happy with the torque then mate??
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Originally Posted by craigyp
u still not happy with the torque then mate??
should have gone 2.5 if torque was what was after.
Old 01 December 2013, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by toyney83
The jdm and uk heads are the same but cams are a different profile (don't know which). The spec c has big port heads I believe

Incorrect.

all jdm newage sti heads are big port.
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Originally Posted by LegacySTi
Incorrect.

all jdm newage sti heads are big port.
+1


JDM WRX are too big port,cams are different on JDM WRX,both are AVCS

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Originally Posted by craigyp
u still not happy with the torque then mate??
Torques not bad mate but always looking for ways to improve

Originally Posted by Tidgy
should have gone 2.5 if torque was what was after.
Normally I'd agree, if it was just for road use. Seen some pretty decent results from the jdms lately so just looking into what makes them different
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2.35 if for track as well, 2,1 is just the latest fad.

the phrase no replacement for displacemet def rings true mate.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
2.35 if for track as well, 2,1 is just the latest fad.

the phrase no replacement for displacement def rings true mate.
The other one that still rings true is "Horses for courses"
Toyney had a 2.5 and it didn't suit him.
In my experience, the 2.1 still offers the best balance when it comes to fast road/track day use. It's far from just a fad and as we've probably built more than anyone (Including Toyney's) I'm quite well placed to say that.

What turbo do you currently have again Mike ?
As we didn't set yours up I can't remember !
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Hi Martyn. I'm running an md321t at present. My 1st choice was to have this converted to billet. Then the more I looked, the better a twinscroll conversion looked (seen as I already have the sump etc) but would want to go the whole hog which would mean jdm heads by the looks of it. So figure it means I'll be after some equal length headers and up pipe. A new turbo (twinscroll sc46) downpipe and some jdm heads. I'd sell my current headers and turbo which would fund a good part of the conversion. Thanks Martyn
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