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Old 13 February 2012, 09:40 PM
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Question Hawkeye STI awkward in stop start traffic

Does anyone else find that their Hawkeye STI is a bit of a nitemare around town etc, especially in stop start traffic?

Just thought id see what anyone elses comments were before i wonder if i have a problem or not!

I think the issue is down to the FBW (fly by wire) throttle. It seems really sensitive when you are trying to set off in first gear when balancing the clutch etc. Its like you touch it lightly and the revs act like its been stabbed and fly up to just over ~2k minimum making for quite an aggressive launch as opposed to setting off smoothly.

Hard to describe really, but it feels like i am almost straining the clutch by using so many revs setting off.

Any comments would be appreciated
Old 13 February 2012, 09:44 PM
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is it an upgraded clutch?
or u may have to launch it to clear all the crap thats built up
Old 13 February 2012, 09:56 PM
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Put an exedy clutch in it mate as thought it may improve it and running more than standard power, but no different really...although it is quite direct (more 'paddle' like than a normal car say), i think the clutch action is pretty good, its just dialling in throttle smoothly thats the issue..

Dont think its the clutch really, even when standard. Think the issue is the FBW TB..
Old 13 February 2012, 10:00 PM
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did u replace flywheel aswell or skim it?
is it a twin plate or paddle?
Old 13 February 2012, 10:03 PM
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New flywheel mate, and its an exedy 'pink box' organic clutch, so nothing too compromising, just a slight upgrade over standard.

Do you have/or have driven a hawkeye STI?
Old 13 February 2012, 10:07 PM
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I've not had any problems with mine
Old 13 February 2012, 10:16 PM
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I feel mines the same as STD i always make a hasty go from a standstill even when i want to go slow
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Is there a way to 'reset' the throttle body that anybody knows of?

Not sure if there is a fault as such, or whether its down to software..just after anyone elses opinion on theirs really.

Its perfect when driving etc, just the small throttle movements when not moving/setting off.
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Originally Posted by bigbruiseral
I feel mines the same as STD i always make a hasty go from a standstill even when i want to go slow
Yeah mate, kind of what i mean..it was same when was just ppp too tbh.

Maybe my TSL exhaust amplifies the effect slightly too, lol (eg, sounds like is revving more)
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Originally Posted by Dan_STI
Does anyone else find that their Hawkeye STI is a bit of a nitemare around town etc, especially in stop start traffic?

Just thought id see what anyone elses comments were before i wonder if i have a problem or not!

I think the issue is down to the FBW (fly by wire) throttle. It seems really sensitive when you are trying to set off in first gear when balancing the clutch etc. Its like you touch it lightly and the revs act like its been stabbed and fly up to just over ~2k minimum making for quite an aggressive launch as opposed to setting off smoothly.

Hard to describe really, but it feels like i am almost straining the clutch by using so many revs setting off.

Any comments would be appreciated
Yes, its difficult to drive in stop start traffic. There is a delay from the FBW throttle and it is difficult to balance, sometimes i even stall. The clutch also becomes tiresome after a while. However, i have found that if i lift the clutch gently with no throttle it will pull away at tickover, this helps when its really slow moving.

I certainly wont be changing it for an automatic diesel anytime soon
Old 13 February 2012, 11:00 PM
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Have you had the car mapped? Mine was mapped and the throttle mapping was altered.

I had mine mapped by Andy F and when I took a trip back to see him he adjusted the first 20% of throttle input to get rid of the 'on/off' feel and make it more progressive.

I had the same problem when trying to pull out fast, I was always giving it far too many revs.
Old 14 February 2012, 12:19 AM
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i have to say ive never noticed a problem in mine , just seems spot on for me
Old 14 February 2012, 09:32 AM
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No problems - same car and same clutch.
Old 14 February 2012, 09:50 AM
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Mine was keen to stall, however after fitting light weight alloy pulleys it seems to have improved, it has been mapped too which does alter the FBW throtle.
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As others have said , your mapper can adjust the feel of the dbw throttle.
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Ah well, im glad it sounds relatively normal and not a fault!

Shame, i only got it mapped in december..doh! will bear in mind though for if/when i get it mapped next time.

Thanks folks!
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organic pink box should be as oem feel, its an anti judder version that can take more abuse. so therfore should not judder. has it been fitted properly?
could do with taking it to your mapper to see if they can alter mapping mode as above post(s).
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Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs
organic pink box should be as oem feel, its an anti judder version that can take more abuse. so therfore should not judder. has it been fitted properly?
could do with taking it to your mapper to see if they can alter mapping mode as above post(s).
Fitted it myself mate, theres nothing wrong with the clutch...

Not overly bothered with the throttle as it sounds normal from peoples replies. The car is only used as a weekend car, but if i do get it mapped again i will see about throttle scaling
Old 14 February 2012, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan_STI
Fitted it myself mate, theres nothing wrong with the clutch...

Not overly bothered with the throttle as it sounds normal from peoples replies. The car is only used as a weekend car, but if i do get it mapped again i will see about throttle scaling
There are adjustments that can be made to the throttle on the mapping, 20% throttle can be made to rev quite hard if desired, I'd just ask for it to be tweeked a little. where abouts in cumbria are you mate, www.cumbrianscoobs.co.uk
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my 06 sti is exactly the same, I think the fly by wire is the cause,mine seems to have a good inch or so of dead space.
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Originally Posted by Dan_STI
Fitted it myself mate, theres nothing wrong with the clutch...

Not overly bothered with the throttle as it sounds normal from peoples replies. The car is only used as a weekend car, but if i do get it mapped again i will see about throttle scaling
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Another confirmation for mapping.

My Spec D PPP was horrendous in first and second in traffic and very easily stalled when pulling away. When I got it mapped last year I asked if the sensitivity could be reduced and it was like a different car afterwards.

Might be worth contacting your original mapper to see if it is an easy fix.

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Originally Posted by gdavey
Another confirmation for mapping.

My Spec D PPP was horrendous in first and second in traffic and very easily stalled when pulling away. When I got it mapped last year I asked if the sensitivity could be reduced and it was like a different car afterwards.

Might be worth contacting your original mapper to see if it is an easy fix.
Yeah mate, sounds just that. will give Andrew Carr a shout and ask him the crack
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Originally Posted by rob84
There are adjustments that can be made to the throttle on the mapping, 20% throttle can be made to rev quite hard if desired, I'd just ask for it to be tweeked a little. where abouts in cumbria are you mate, www.cumbrianscoobs.co.uk
Ive just emailed Andrew and asked him about programming.

Live in Kirkby-in-Furness mate, not far from Barrow
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