dan2926

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Anyone owned classics and newage imprezas?

Just got a blobeye wrx with ppp and have had 5 classics in the past....

Is it just me or is the handling of the blobeye rubbish compared to a standard classic? (Took the same bend at the same speed as i usually do and it felt very unsafe )

The suspension is standard fit (springs Blue in colour)??

Hmmm Will i fit better suspension or go back to classic.......

tomdscooby

the set up on new age tends to be well out of line,spend a hundred quid having your camber etc set up right and see how it is then. my sti was anyhow from factory!

dan2926

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Thanks for that mate.

Thats interesting i Will look into that. After you got yours done was there a big difference?

tomdscooby

massive!

ive since gone down the coilovers route, but the initial set up i had changed my views on the handling completely.mines a 2003 sti and i daren't plant it round bends, felt like i had to constantly adjust the steering to control it even at lowish speeds. they have a high margin on the settings from factory so you can end up buying a standard car which can have positive camber on 1 front wheel and negative on the other, which never bodes well!

53

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One of the biggest impacts I have found on the new age cars is the presence of a front subframe. When I removed it to replicate my classic set up the car became instantly more chuckable ! I have since replaced the subframe with a different designed frame (Summit Racing) which doesn't lock the front of the chassis to the middle of the chassis which has also had the effect of reducing the bobbling suspension sensation common in STi's.

aXeL

+1

Also removed the front sub-frame on my STI and it made the 'turn in' soo much sharper. Front end responsive now. Had to learn to be a little less aggressive with the steering and can go harder through corners without understeer

Myles

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Are there any negative points to removing the front subframe? It sounds like a worthwhile handling mod.

KAS35RSTI

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My bug handles like a biatch!

53

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Less interference from a crash perspective, engine will be projected at your bollox rather than your toes Fitted as a 'reduced impact of an impact' so to speak. On the basis that I have refitted it and I drive my classic more anyway, I like those odds

aXeL I checked out a Hawkeye Spec C recently and it had a subframe. I thought they were kick *** lol

It has been a mission for me to make my hawkeye more like my classic and this has proved to be the most useful return to form

aXeL

Yes - your EU crash rating will go down so you'll only be as safe as if you were in a classic if you accidentally drive into a tree/wall/Wagner

aXeL

Interesting. I wonder if they started doing it to UK imports after a time. Certainly the Spec C blobs I knew of didn't. I wonder if Spec owners can give a clearer view.

his-n-her-scoobs

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On the original post. Over the last 5 years have had 4 classics and 1 blob. Kept the blob a month. Nuff said

Myles

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Bollocks or toes? I like both but I just cant decide. There is only one way to find out..........

53

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Easyjob to see if you like it

dan2926

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Ok thanks for the input guys, will have a look at the different options but was kind of thinking along the lines of what his-n-her-scoobs said

Just doesnt feel like the subaru that i know

53

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It's a completely different car what did you expect

Fortunately there are enough common traits (good and bad) which can be exploited to make them as good

ScoobyDoo69

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I keep seeing this removal of the subframe mentioned. Does it really make that much difference in the turn in?
What does it take to remove it and apart from the safety aspects in a crash are there any other problems ? Do you need to get the car aligned afterwards or anything? I read something about not being able to refit the undertray too, can you confirm?

Good weight saving too?

aXeL

Did for me. It's NEVER going back on. Geometry was fine afterward. The undertray would need some jiggery-pokery to find new attachment points at the front (I couldn't be bothered as I drive my other car in rain). And it's about 17kg of weight at the front of your car which you don't need. Very easy to remove if you can get under the car.

dunx

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I found it easier to fit an uprated rear ARB, adjustable Whiteline 22mm bar on mine.

Best value mod on the car.

HTH

dunx

ScoobyDoo69

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vs free removal of subframe?

53

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Do that aswell

Moley

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Just fitted a 24mm rear ARB & drop links to mine, and it's made a massive difference

daz1968

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how will the insurance judge a removed front subframe as I presume even with it removed it is still far safer than older or smaller cars.

53

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Schweet ! what setting you starting off with Gary. ?

Btw invoice arrived if you wanna try me tomorrow

dunx

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Well if you die they won't give a ****... as for damage, you've deliberately weakened your car, it's EU Type Approved as a "unit". Thus, IMHO you are probably breaking some EU law somewhere...

dunx

P.S. I'd do it to a track car, but not my daily driver. I have witnessed the results of a heavy frontal impact on a few rally cars, it's not pretty...

ScoobyDoo69

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So is it actually making the car handle and feel better? Feel like I want to give it a try..

I always thought things like the ALKs fitted under the subframe, if that's the case, do you remove the ability to fit an ALK?

53

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ALK fits to the chassis, sub frame is exactly that, sub frame only thing that bolts to the SF is the undertray which is another argument again as my car ran cooler without.

No classics have the subframe, it's a newage thing and my classic isn't any weaker IMHO it just won't crumple in the same predetermined way I guess. I have replaced the subframe on my NewAge to a stronger better designed more focused item so I am comfortable with the doom mongers

Besides my non scoob daily driver doesn't have one on from factor either !

ScoobyDoo69

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Interesting - I remember reading the undertray affected the way the top mount works, so I'll def be finding a way to fit it back. O well I've got a week off, good enough for a mess around with it I think! Good weight saving too!

Shailan

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I have a blob and fitted prodrive springs and whiteline bushes, sorted now!

TonyBurns

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There is no point in removing the front subframe on a new age, does it improve handling? well ask John Felstead, his MY05 JDM has its front subframe and he normally whoops cars without one fitted just look at the scooby shootout from last year, it was up there in the handling, and its on standard shocks/springs.

Tony