aXeL

Is there anyone in Berkshire or the surrounding area who has a WR1 and wouldn't mind if I took a copy of their ECU? I'm looking to see if it has headroom for further adjustments and then applying it to my STI8 PPP if I deem it safe.

Process takes about 5min and involves shameless bribary of food and drink

Happily do some logging runs in return if anyone is interested in how their WR1 is behaving...

bluenose172

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Why don't you just map the original ROM, you should aim to hit around 330+ odd bhp.

aXeL

Already have. Still want to see what's different in the WR1 ECU.

TingTongPJ

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buy a wr1 ecu from someone who has upgraded.

aXeL

Don't need the ECU, nothing wrong with mine, just want to copy the rom image. Hell of a waste of money to buy a whole ECU just for a 160k file.

rbaz

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I think this forum should have a section dedicated to open source ECU tuning/logging I know there are dedicated sites but be nice to get some of the info/help from here

aXeL

Agreed. There's a far bit on NASIOC, IWSTI, clubwrx and wrxhackers BUT it's mostly aimed at yanks which means the images are usually for 91-93 octane fuel. On the flip side they're very supportive with advising on safely developing you're own 'tunes' (Bless them!)

And over there they don't have the WR1... doh!

rbaz

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Will take a look when I get some time just planning on logging mine for now

TonyBurns

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The one thing I would watch out for is that doing what your after Axel you may come a cropper with FAST.

Tony

aXeL

LOL Good one! That would be something wouldn't it. The 'Subaru EULA'. Anyone get this with their car? "...By opening the car door I, the licensee, hereby certify that I shall abide by the terms of the license agreement, granted to me but owned by Subaru...". Every car owner would be in breach just by changing it. Subaru could take all the engine tuners to court for tampering with their IPR... and not just the for the ECU.

Or a mapper seeking IPR for the use of AFRs of 14.47 on fuel maps - then we'd all be in civil court... Personally I'm not worried but then I've spent much of my career advising on contract law

TonyBurns

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Well not exactly, but that ecu image will be copywrited to Prodrive so you have to be careful there

Tony

bluenose172

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^Going by that logic, no one would alter/read the Subaru ROM's either. It's a complete non issue!

aXeL

Like Bluenose said...

Prodrive would be going after all tuners for tampering with their IPR. Have you had any letters from Subaru or Prodrive threatening legal action for altering their vehicles? I respectfully presume you weren't naive enough to think that IPR enforcement would only apply to the ECU? They'd be within their rights to come after you for modifying any proprietary components e.g. the induction, heads... Oh and ECUTEK would've been prosecuted long ago by Trading Standards for altering other manufacturer's IPR.

i.e. it's a non issue. Just out of interest what legal precedent do you have for thinking otherwise?

Incidentally, neither Subaru nor Prodrive have any IPR on the ECU, it's the intellectual property of Denso but I'll wager you've not been threatened by them either.

If on the other hand, I made my own ECU and copied proprietary parts of the Denso design AND sold it on, then I really would be in deep sh**

aXeL

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So does anyone around the home counties have a WR1 for which I could take a copy of the image?