scoobzie

i can,t make up my mind so i thought a bit of help from you guys might shed some light. i want to build a road car with 500/500 but can not decide what would be best to do it with 2 door sti classic or newage sti it wont be for the track just on the roads any comments or ideas are welcome

joey_turbo

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I have a classic, not 500/500, but would prefer some comfort aand toys. Go for a newage.

loony toon

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Classic is lighter and will be faster but the newage car is so much more.

I would go for a newage if it a road car but if your building a track car a classic would be my choice



tony

scoobzie

i like the newage if its was to be then i would be looking for an spec c ra import i already have a classic 2000 turbo but wondering if it,s worth my while putting that sort of power through it

loony toon

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I have had both classic and newage and if it was me i would go for the newage sti, because the engine and gearbox is so much stronger and then i would tune that to the stage you want.

A classic is a good car but is now getting dated and also finding a decent one to start with is very hard to do .




Depends on your budget too



Tony

dazdavies

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I had a 450bhp Classic UK Turbo 2000.
Was great as a Road car.
Similar power in a new age won't feel as raw and probably not as much fun.

The new age is certainly more refined and will make for a very nice road car.
A New Age STI is also the best place to start tuning wise. It already has some nice bits from the factory including and probably most importantly the very strong Six speed gearbox.

I'm just about to throw around 650bhp+ at a classic V3 Type R which should prove to be challenging when out on a B road blast.

scooby-93

go for a new age sti better engine as standard. youl get a low mileage bug eye for around 7-8k.

stevebt

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Thats a bold claim to make "650bhp+". There is not often a target has been met when people aim for it

dazdavies

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Steve, given that there's a few well documented examples of cars making this power I dont exactly have to resort to industrial espionage to build an engine to similar spec. Just because you haven't got there yet doesn't mean I cant.

Incedently my last project was entitled 450bhp DIY rebuild. Guess what? I made 452 bhp at 1.5 bar without proper mapping. Target achieved

Turbo wise I'm probably going to go for a 4088 I'm sure I'll get close

stevebt

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Daz, I have no intetions of trying for 650bh+ as I won't be going past the power of my gt35r. Enough is enough with these cars and I have reached my patience level

The 4088 is an expensive way to go as I only know one company that makes the pipes for these turbos and its in america and I think its about £1500 for the up and downs without any delivery ???

dazdavies

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Time will Tell

scoobzie

thanx for the replies guys if i stick with my current car the classic 2000 turbo then it will be of down to scoobyclinic for the sc450 package i think

stevebt

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scoobyclinic 450bhp package will be totally different to a 500/500bhp car. The bigger power costs a lot more than what most people actually think

dazdavies

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Ain't that the truth. I wish the 450 package was available when I first stepped onto this slippery tuning slope. It would probably be still in one piece and i'd have alot more cash in my pocket.

TonyBurns

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Sell it and pick up a nice MY02 STi for about 8-9k.
Truth is that a classic is not a good starting point by the time you have uprated everything (consider that STi's have pretty much everything uprated over a uk turbo) your out of pocket, plus even though the new age cars are heavier, they are more aerodynamic (and stronger) which is what you want really.
Here is an example of what your going to need to change straight away to upgrade your car for 450bhp with similar torque.
Wheels (you are going to need new brakes which wont fit under those 16 inch wheels, and dont even consider replacing the discs/pads because they still suck ) gearbox, clutch.
Those parts may not seem expensive but they are, also consider the STi has an uprated cooling system over your UK car, uprated wheel bearings etc, though I would keep the Brembo calipers and go for a floating setup to reduce the heat put back into the bearings.

Tony

Floyd

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Tony, have you heard about the Newage STi wheel bearings that are made of cheese?

AP4 pots fit under 16's you know!

PPG 5 speed is pricey but it's lighter and stronger than a 6 speed.

Clutch, well you'd need to upgrade in both and the same for the flywheel.

For the road, I'd agree that a newage may be more comfy but why would you need that power on the road? What a waste of money IMO.

New_scooby_04

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The big advantage of the Classic is the weight. This might be the deciding factor if its going to be a track car. As has been stated the cost implications of 500+ are far greater than the low to mid 4s and a classic with a solid 450 will comfortably keep a new age with 500+ honest due to the weight difference. The big disadvantage is that, as stated above, you'll pretty much have to throw the existing suspension, brakes and gearbox away, but you'd expect the first two to need substantial updates for a track car anyway.

Something like the SC450 package would seem a good bet, with a good set of coilovers and a big brake upgrade kit would fit the bill. Wouldn't expect any change from 15k to be honest though!

Ns04

Fat Boy

I've got 450 in a 2 litre classic (p1) and it feels about the right balance for the road - not too laggy, still very revvy, plus madly quick enough for most things out there e.g. better power to weight ratio than the latest 911 Turbo. As the power goes up a road car gets more and more compromised IMHO - an extra 50BHP can cost a multiple of the previous 100bhp and gets less driveable in a road scenario to the extent that a less powerful car with a wider and earlier power band can be quicker point to point in the real world.

Sc0oby

how does a lightly modded v3 sti goes again a v8 STI?
both had the usual exhaust intake. v3 has power fc n front mount while the v8 only has a ecutek. both dont have upgraded pump