Phildodd06

What extras bennifits does the Type R have over the WRX STI (1998)
Toys, power, handeling etc...

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DCCD, no abs, upgraded rear diff














oh... and 2 less doors

Phildodd06

Thanks for your reply, also iv found out there more expensive to insure!!
iv read they have 300 bhp as standard, is this true, as i thought all jap imports are under a genle mans agrement not to exceed 280 bhp

scooby-tc

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mine was dynoed at 309 standard but that was on generous rollers

OcTag3n

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Type-R's have intercooler water spray.

doug2507

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Gearing!!

Best thing to do, try and get a drive in both. Very different.

Gear Head

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They're not that different to be honest. Same engine, and I mean 'exactly' the same engine. Yes, they have water-spray, but that's kind of like putting a plaster on a gaping wound!
Final drive is 22mph per 1000rpm for the standard sti 4, 19 mph per 1000rpm for the type r. The Type RA however, feels very different and has a stronger closed deck block.

doug2507

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Sorry Chris but i don't understand why the RA feels 'very different' when the R is 'not that different'. Both share different box/diffs/dccd(160/180) from the STI. R is 2 door so chassis wise it will differ in character from 4 dr. RA has advantage of being lighter without the factory options. I'd say the R/RA are in a different ball park from an STI. Just as the R differs from the P1. Some of the small differences have a large effect on the way the car drives.......

Phildodd06

Hmm.. a lot of diffrent views, this is what i was after, good thanks

Gear Head

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The Type R tops out at 158mph, while the RA tops out at 130mph ish. That's why they feel so different. Yes, there are differences between the standard sti and type r, but they're not as great as some people would suggest. From 0-100mph, you've got to change gear once more in the type r, than in the sti. They have the same engine, wheels, tyres etc.
When I test drove a type r, the only thing I really prefered over the sti was the dccd. You could definately feel that it was more 'tail-happy'! The sti is obviously more neutral, but it certainly doesn't understeer like a standard uk turbo.
The type r is a fantastic car, both in looks and peformance, but the margin in performance over the standard sti, is very small at best.

The RA I test drove gave that real 'rally' sensation. Probably because it had no creature comforts or sound proofing. I could hear absolutely everything, which is why I bought a standard sti again instead!

I am not dissing the type r doug, no way. They are cracking cars, but they are mostly an sti with 2 doors, dccd and shorter ratio box.

Pete

Chris, i went for the RA for that exact reason you`ve mentioned, i loved the rally roar feel of the car, there`s no creature comforts as you`ve said, mine hits 130 then its likedriving against a brick wall, but who cares, it`s the way and the speed it gets to 100+ that`s the best part.....

doug2507

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Sorry Chris but performance wise the r, and ra, destroys an sti. Just have a look at 0-60/0-100/30-70/ 1/4 mile etc. As for differences between the r and ra, gearing wise they are pretty much the same.

The SPDA - Transmission Chart

Fail to see how the r can do 158mph and the ra only 130mph???

R/RA share the same drivetrain, which also includes the whole back end which differs to the sti. Brakes/hubs/shafts/diffs.....Also steering rack was 13:1 (r-v.ltd models) instead of 15:1. (for info, the 22B used the same gearing etc as the r/ra, P1 differed with longer ratios).

To answer the starting question, the r/ra are very different to drive compared to an sti. I can only urge you to try and get a test drive to compare the 3.

doug2507

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+ plated rear diff (same as ra), alloy wishbones (same as ra), different brakes (same as ra), different final drive (same as ra), no abs (same as ra), 13:1 rack on v.ltd (same as ra), roof vent on v.ltd (same as ra), alloy boot and bonnet (same as ra), i/c water spray (same as ra)

Apart from a/c, electric windows/mirrors and missing 2 doors, i cant see what major differences you found between the 2 that effect the way the cars perform...

Gear Head

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Can you 'feel' the difference with alloy wishbones? What's different with the brakes. Are they not 294mm 4pots? The standard sti also has a ally bonnet and boot lid. And whatever that chart says, the ra DOES have a shorter ratio box than the type r. Ask the owners on here. The type R is only 10KG lighter than a standard sti.

I'm not saying that the Type R 'isn't' a better car, but the the difference is not massive.

s5ooob

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I owned an sti3 for just over 3yrs. and now have a v5 type r, the big differences I felt were the chassis and gearing...

Handling is much improved over the 4 door sti that I had, the combination of a stiffer bodyshell and the std. Bilstein struts makes for a much tighter and responsive feel, flatter cornering and a better resistance to understeer, in fact you're more likely to get oversteer if you set it up for the corner properly

The Gearing is spot on for the punchy motor and makes it feel lag free in any gear... Combine this with the sharper feeling chassis, and the car flows better, especially so, on an unfamiliar road.

Also owned an evo 6 in between the scoobs, and feel the Type r is the most enjoyable and satisfying fast road car I've owned.

All IMO, of course.

RA Dunk

intresting thread, as im about to buy an RA im reading with intrest too, keep the info comming peeps

doug2507

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The alloy wishbones contribute to the way the suspension reacts. You probably wouldnt 'feel' the difference alone but when you add everything up it makes for a change you can 'feel'. If it didnt make a difference then why would subaru fit them to the r/ra/22B/wrc cars? There was also a 10% increase in stiffness of dampers. The rear brakes had larger discs. The only ra to have a shorter box was the ver.1/2. Even then it was fitted with a 3.9 diff, not a 4.4. I never said the r was lighter than the sti (even though you point out 10kg lighter.)

Saying there is not much difference between driving an sti and an r/ra fitted with cr box/4.4 diffs/dccd/r180 diff is just insane. Maybe not much difference if you're using it for commuting or driving around town but when competing or driving the car hard its in a different league!

All of the previous mentioned differences from the r/ra and sti add up to a very different car to drive. Saying the difference between the sti and r is not massive and difference between the sti and ra is, is just a load of ***** to be honest. The r and ra are basically the same car! What makes the ra so different from the r apart from 50kg and 2 doors? Which is the point you were making.......

If anything, the P1 is closer to the sti. And i'm pretty sure P1 owners will say the same, that it is totally different to drive than an sti. And most of them will tell you that it's quite different from an r being a little more refined for uk roads.

doug2507

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And on a lighter note, you cant do this in an sti.....

YouTube - Subaru Impreza WRX STi Type-R Donuts

Phildodd06

Brillent guys, this is the kinda info im after
Keep it coming
So does the V4 Type R have 4 pot calipers at the front and rear?
Also do they suffer from spongey breaks like the STI (I read they suffer from spongey breaks)
Cheers