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Old 23 July 2003, 12:25 PM
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Any turbo experts out there know a formula for power from air flow and injector cycle? Taking it from std internals, STi7 jets, uprated pump?

Old 23 July 2003, 12:53 PM
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I think you'll need RPM in there as well. Don't know for sure how to do the rest of the maths though.
Old 23 July 2003, 12:56 PM
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Got that too...with XXX (Secs) monitor. So it's possible...hmm would Mr Banks know the formulea?
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I think it would depend on how efficiently the engine used the charge as well. That means practical measurement om the rollers.

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I agree...there's got to be differences in rolling parts, oils (friction), fuel etc...but just as a ruff figure, a calculation could be made - it can't be that much out of a true reading (anymore than rollers vary between different performance centres like Power Engineering and Powerstation?)
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Some examples...

1.42 CFM/BHP - ie 356 BHP from a TD05 with flow 505 CFM
5.5 CC/BHP - ie 400 BHP from 4 x 550 injectors

Lots of caveats to these, as I say just some guesses to get you started.
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Excellent, thanks John. Out comes the calculator!
Old 25 July 2003, 09:13 AM
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Being a plank again...what's the 'cc' stand for under the 550 injector example? I take CC to be cubic capacity but that can't be right surely...help!
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Injectors are measured in cubic centimetres per minute at 3 bar differential fuel pressure (standard). This is their flow capacity, note that they go static open (no time to close) somewhere between 85 and 100% IDC, so you may well not get additional fuel from an injector by going too high with it, and if you do it may do a step change, however I've never noticed this on wideband.

Change in fuel pressure helps a lot - go up to 4 bar and you increase the flow by 15.5%.

Some dynos which read on the high side will make the figures I quoted look very tame. The bright side is that a car making an honest figure when actually driven may make another car look tame with the same or more power from an over-reading dyno
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Cheers John...like the sound of that.

I'll have to do a fast run somewhere soon in top gear to get the air flow, then get the calc out again...just don't tell the cops!
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