Rear diff issue
08 July 2020, 11:39 AM
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Rear diff issue
HI All
Sorry in advance if this was covered previously...
I'm having issue with my rear diff, as it makes nasty knocking noises when turning at slow speed. This only happens when the car and the oil are warm.
My local garage doesn't know the cause and would need to drain oil, open up the diff and take it form there. They are also unable to rebuild it if that's what is needed.
Can any one recommend a garage, ideally with experience with older Subarus (I have a 1999 JDM Sti) as this could potentially save me a lot of labour cost?
If, without having to open the diff, they could establish that I need to change the unit completely, I would look for a used on on ebay for example...
Thank you
Sorry in advance if this was covered previously...
I'm having issue with my rear diff, as it makes nasty knocking noises when turning at slow speed. This only happens when the car and the oil are warm.
My local garage doesn't know the cause and would need to drain oil, open up the diff and take it form there. They are also unable to rebuild it if that's what is needed.
Can any one recommend a garage, ideally with experience with older Subarus (I have a 1999 JDM Sti) as this could potentially save me a lot of labour cost?
If, without having to open the diff, they could establish that I need to change the unit completely, I would look for a used on on ebay for example...
Thank you
08 July 2020, 02:20 PM
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08 July 2020, 02:46 PM
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08 July 2020, 03:48 PM
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Start off with basics it will make life easier for people to help you.
1. How long have you owned the car?
2. If you have owned the car a while has this always happened or just started happening?
3.We can’t see the car, you can. If it did not come with DCCD as standard what makes YOU believe it may?
5. Do you know if it came with DCCD as standard?
6. Do you have any contact with the previous owner, can they help answer any of the above?
There are probably people on here willing to help but they are kind of flying blind without a bit more info mate.
1. How long have you owned the car?
2. If you have owned the car a while has this always happened or just started happening?
3.We can’t see the car, you can. If it did not come with DCCD as standard what makes YOU believe it may?
5. Do you know if it came with DCCD as standard?
6. Do you have any contact with the previous owner, can they help answer any of the above?
There are probably people on here willing to help but they are kind of flying blind without a bit more info mate.
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08 July 2020, 05:23 PM
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Start off with basics it will make life easier for people to help you.
1. How long have you owned the car?
2. If you have owned the car a while has this always happened or just started happening?
3.We can’t see the car, you can. If it did not come with DCCD as standard what makes YOU believe it may?
5. Do you know if it came with DCCD as standard?
6. Do you have any contact with the previous owner, can they help answer any of the above?
There are probably people on here willing to help but they are kind of flying blind without a bit more info mate.
1. How long have you owned the car?
2. If you have owned the car a while has this always happened or just started happening?
3.We can’t see the car, you can. If it did not come with DCCD as standard what makes YOU believe it may?
5. Do you know if it came with DCCD as standard?
6. Do you have any contact with the previous owner, can they help answer any of the above?
There are probably people on here willing to help but they are kind of flying blind without a bit more info mate.
The Car is a JDM Impreza STI Version 5, wagon, 97k miles.
I have owned the car since November last year, I'm kind of first UK owner (the guy who imported it only took it for test drives with potential buyers) therefore, hard to know if anything was done previously to the diff.
From what I can see, the car looks all original
The knocking has been happening from day 1 of my ownership
I never thought the car had DCCD as standard, I was just trying to understand comments from @1509joe
Great to hear if anyone can think of what the issue could be but, my main question was, can anyone recommend a good garage with experience on older cars?
Thanks
09 July 2020, 12:40 PM
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If you have the correct model info this link is your car. No mention of a DCCD.
As mentioned after market diffs can be very aggressive (I also have one and it’s beyond noisy!). But it is difficult for anyone to answer that question for you without physically seeing it.
It would appear you need look into a potential diff issue either way so someone can further advice.
Which part of the country are you in? Will make it easier to be advised someone good and possibly local.
https://legacypic.uk/specifications....71&ref=gf8f5ed
As mentioned after market diffs can be very aggressive (I also have one and it’s beyond noisy!). But it is difficult for anyone to answer that question for you without physically seeing it.
It would appear you need look into a potential diff issue either way so someone can further advice.
Which part of the country are you in? Will make it easier to be advised someone good and possibly local.
https://legacypic.uk/specifications....71&ref=gf8f5ed
09 July 2020, 12:56 PM
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If you have the correct model info this link is your car. No mention of a DCCD.
As mentioned after market diffs can be very aggressive (I also have one and it’s beyond noisy!). But it is difficult for anyone to answer that question for you without physically seeing it.
It would appear you need look into a potential diff issue either way so someone can further advice.
Which part of the country are you in? Will make it easier to be advised someone good and possibly local.
https://legacypic.uk/specifications....71&ref=gf8f5ed
As mentioned after market diffs can be very aggressive (I also have one and it’s beyond noisy!). But it is difficult for anyone to answer that question for you without physically seeing it.
It would appear you need look into a potential diff issue either way so someone can further advice.
Which part of the country are you in? Will make it easier to be advised someone good and possibly local.
https://legacypic.uk/specifications....71&ref=gf8f5ed
On the other hand, I might being thick but I cant see the rear diff model/ratio on there, only centre diff and gerabox.
I am located in north east London, please let me know if you know of any garage relatively near.
09 July 2020, 01:41 PM
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I’m at the opposite end of the country to you so don’t know your area particularly well but see link attached. These guys have been previously recommended. Neil @ Slowboy gets lots of mentions on many topics as does Rich @ FB Tuning.
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...th-london.html
Nice car BTW. If I was to have a wagon that is the era I would go for.
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...th-london.html
Nice car BTW. If I was to have a wagon that is the era I would go for.
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09 July 2020, 04:55 PM
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09 July 2020, 08:57 PM
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Do you know what "open" means and 40.9? Would that work on my car?
sorry for all the questions!
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10 July 2020, 06:53 PM
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Pooolq. In the link I provided you it tells you which transmission you have. Next to the number there is a small magnifying glass icon. Tap on it and it will go further into the information in relation to your transmission. If you wish to buy a used unit/diff it will give you a better understanding which other vehicles it can be sourced from and the technical specifications. Good luck. This information is from Subaru so you know it comes from a reliable source.
10 July 2020, 07:54 PM
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Not entirely true and misleading unless you are more specific. R180 diff was used on numerous non DCCD vehicles.
Pooolq. In the link I provided you it tells you which transmission you have. Next to the number there is a small magnifying glass icon. Tap on it and it will go further into the information in relation to your transmission. If you wish to buy a used unit/diff it will give you a better understanding which other vehicles it can be sourced from and the technical specifications. Good luck. This information is from Subaru so you know it comes from a reliable source.
Pooolq. In the link I provided you it tells you which transmission you have. Next to the number there is a small magnifying glass icon. Tap on it and it will go further into the information in relation to your transmission. If you wish to buy a used unit/diff it will give you a better understanding which other vehicles it can be sourced from and the technical specifications. Good luck. This information is from Subaru so you know it comes from a reliable source.
1. He hasn't a r180 he has a r160.
2. The so called link is of very little benefit because they are as said very hard to source.
3. The link does not inform him as to whether he needs a r160 or r180 it just tells him which cars have that transmission fitted.
4. As you will no doubt know there is both r160 and r180 in the 4.444 ratio so he could go looking for a r180 instead of a r160 and cost himself a small fortune and also end up wondering why nothing fits.
Pooolq This one will suit you the very best but might not be exactly the same as the one that comes out but will fit and work if anything it will be an upgrade
.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-im...53.m1438.l2649
Last edited by 1509joe; 10 July 2020 at 08:19 PM. Reason: Spelling
10 July 2020, 10:04 PM
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Not doing so at all. You have actually proven my point! More detail is needed or it is nothing more than a sound bite.
You are correct the OP did not know himself which diff he needed. As best as could be clarified (given he didn’t know himself if it was DCCD or after market etc) you assumed because of a sticker you had given the correct information. Is that a wise assumption to make?
Pooolq asked the question:
Thank you. So R180's are DCCD only?
So that I learn something, can I ask how you worked it out please?
Did he learn anything that would help more? This wasn’t answered or corrected so yes misleading. Also when posts are routinely searched prior to people asking questions or as a research tool it is best to have a bit more clarity so someone else at a later date isn’t misinformed and wastes money also. I’m sure you would agree. Again you have made my point yourself.
Was the OP aware that there is a cross over between R160 and R180? I don’t believe he was. But why are you asking me that? Would it not be wiser to of asked him? He did make it clear (I believe) he was keen to learn more. I see you didn’t explain this to him so at a later date he wouldn’t know what he should or absolutely should not be looking out for. Could that be an issue also?
The OP said himself the link was useful to him, I pointed out he could get more info from it also. I pointed out a reliable source of information that he could possibly use at a later date and that gave him a better understanding on what would normally be found on his vehicle (revisions and unknown mods aside). Did I lie?
You referenced a PDF that should bring clarity.,Which PDF? Does the OP have a definitive guide to use based on facts?
Im sure your a reasonable individual and would agree opinion and fact are not always the same? Mistakes are made. Will you reimburse Poolq if he buys a diff based on your opinion but your opinion is incorrect? Me personally I’d do more to check first.
Again me personally I’d probably have my own diff refurbished. Three reasons. You then know exactly which diff you do have, you know exactly what state it is in. You don’t go out and buy another unit that could be goosed as well.
You did say “good luck in finding one” or words to that affect. Again another reason why I’d look to refurb if possible.
We all have our own view on what’s helpful and what’s not. An opinion is just that, not fact, just thoughts. We don’t all need agree either.
If you have taken this as in anyway an insult or a dig at you be assured it’s not my intention. But then to suggest other people are nit picking when you haven’t considered other factors that could be just as relevant it is always likely to get a response.
Have a nice weekend.
You are correct the OP did not know himself which diff he needed. As best as could be clarified (given he didn’t know himself if it was DCCD or after market etc) you assumed because of a sticker you had given the correct information. Is that a wise assumption to make?
Pooolq asked the question:
Thank you. So R180's are DCCD only?
So that I learn something, can I ask how you worked it out please?
Did he learn anything that would help more? This wasn’t answered or corrected so yes misleading. Also when posts are routinely searched prior to people asking questions or as a research tool it is best to have a bit more clarity so someone else at a later date isn’t misinformed and wastes money also. I’m sure you would agree. Again you have made my point yourself.
Was the OP aware that there is a cross over between R160 and R180? I don’t believe he was. But why are you asking me that? Would it not be wiser to of asked him? He did make it clear (I believe) he was keen to learn more. I see you didn’t explain this to him so at a later date he wouldn’t know what he should or absolutely should not be looking out for. Could that be an issue also?
The OP said himself the link was useful to him, I pointed out he could get more info from it also. I pointed out a reliable source of information that he could possibly use at a later date and that gave him a better understanding on what would normally be found on his vehicle (revisions and unknown mods aside). Did I lie?
You referenced a PDF that should bring clarity.,Which PDF? Does the OP have a definitive guide to use based on facts?
Im sure your a reasonable individual and would agree opinion and fact are not always the same? Mistakes are made. Will you reimburse Poolq if he buys a diff based on your opinion but your opinion is incorrect? Me personally I’d do more to check first.
Again me personally I’d probably have my own diff refurbished. Three reasons. You then know exactly which diff you do have, you know exactly what state it is in. You don’t go out and buy another unit that could be goosed as well.
You did say “good luck in finding one” or words to that affect. Again another reason why I’d look to refurb if possible.
We all have our own view on what’s helpful and what’s not. An opinion is just that, not fact, just thoughts. We don’t all need agree either.
If you have taken this as in anyway an insult or a dig at you be assured it’s not my intention. But then to suggest other people are nit picking when you haven’t considered other factors that could be just as relevant it is always likely to get a response.
Have a nice weekend.
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10 July 2020, 11:58 PM
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Not doing so at all. You have actually proven my point! More detail is needed or it is nothing more than a sound bite.
You are correct the OP did not know himself which diff he needed. As best as could be clarified (given he didn’t know himself if it was DCCD or after market etc) you assumed because of a sticker you had given the correct information. Is that a wise assumption to make?
Pooolq asked the question:
Thank you. So R180's are DCCD only?
So that I learn something, can I ask how you worked it out please?
Did he learn anything that would help more? This wasn’t answered or corrected so yes misleading. Also when posts are routinely searched prior to people asking questions or as a research tool it is best to have a bit more clarity so someone else at a later date isn’t misinformed and wastes money also. I’m sure you would agree. Again you have made my point yourself.
Was the OP aware that there is a cross over between R160 and R180? I don’t believe he was. But why are you asking me that? Would it not be wiser to of asked him? He did make it clear (I believe) he was keen to learn more. I see you didn’t explain this to him so at a later date he wouldn’t know what he should or absolutely should not be looking out for. Could that be an issue also?
The OP said himself the link was useful to him, I pointed out he could get more info from it also. I pointed out a reliable source of information that he could possible use at a later date and that gave him a better understanding on what would normally be found on his vehicle (revisions and unknown mods aside). Did I lie?
You referenced a PDF that should bring clarity.,Which PDF? Does the OP have a definitive guide to use based on facts?
Im sure your a reasonable individual and would agree opinion and fact are not always the same? Mistakes are made. Will you reimburse Poolq if he buys a diff based on your opinion but your opinion is incorrect? Me personally I’d do more to check first.
Again me personally I’d probably have my own diff refurbished. Three reasons. You then know exactly which diff you do have, you know exactly what state it is in. You don’t go out and buy another unit that could be goosed as well.
You did say “good luck in finding one” or words to that affect. Again another reason why I’d look to refurb if possible.
We all have our own view on what’s helpful and what’s not. An opinion is just that, not fact, just thoughts. We don’t all need agree either.
If you have taken this as in anyway an insult or a dig at you be assured it’s not my intention. But then to suggest other people are nit picking when you haven’t considered other factors that could be just as relevant it is always likely to get a response.
Have a nice weekend.
You are correct the OP did not know himself which diff he needed. As best as could be clarified (given he didn’t know himself if it was DCCD or after market etc) you assumed because of a sticker you had given the correct information. Is that a wise assumption to make?
Pooolq asked the question:
Thank you. So R180's are DCCD only?
So that I learn something, can I ask how you worked it out please?
Did he learn anything that would help more? This wasn’t answered or corrected so yes misleading. Also when posts are routinely searched prior to people asking questions or as a research tool it is best to have a bit more clarity so someone else at a later date isn’t misinformed and wastes money also. I’m sure you would agree. Again you have made my point yourself.
Was the OP aware that there is a cross over between R160 and R180? I don’t believe he was. But why are you asking me that? Would it not be wiser to of asked him? He did make it clear (I believe) he was keen to learn more. I see you didn’t explain this to him so at a later date he wouldn’t know what he should or absolutely should not be looking out for. Could that be an issue also?
The OP said himself the link was useful to him, I pointed out he could get more info from it also. I pointed out a reliable source of information that he could possible use at a later date and that gave him a better understanding on what would normally be found on his vehicle (revisions and unknown mods aside). Did I lie?
You referenced a PDF that should bring clarity.,Which PDF? Does the OP have a definitive guide to use based on facts?
Im sure your a reasonable individual and would agree opinion and fact are not always the same? Mistakes are made. Will you reimburse Poolq if he buys a diff based on your opinion but your opinion is incorrect? Me personally I’d do more to check first.
Again me personally I’d probably have my own diff refurbished. Three reasons. You then know exactly which diff you do have, you know exactly what state it is in. You don’t go out and buy another unit that could be goosed as well.
You did say “good luck in finding one” or words to that affect. Again another reason why I’d look to refurb if possible.
We all have our own view on what’s helpful and what’s not. An opinion is just that, not fact, just thoughts. We don’t all need agree either.
If you have taken this as in anyway an insult or a dig at you be assured it’s not my intention. But then to suggest other people are nit picking when you haven’t considered other factors that could be just as relevant it is always likely to get a response.
Have a nice weekend.
I have hundreds of workshop manuals on paper and on the computer all backed up so not to loose them which have taken years and years to acquire. I do not need to explain to anyone where or how I got the information if they want to use it fair enough if not that's ok.
I am not a teacher so I do not have to explain myself or teach/explain every last detail to people.
As for a crossover between a r160 and an r180 there isn't a crossover two totally different setups.
Most of my knowledge comes from working on Subaru's from the Legacy era on and is experience related not what people according to yourself want to see proof of where I got it from.
You say the r180 was used on numerous non dccd vehicles which it was but they aren't Subaru's so you may look into that.
Your smart alec post 24 started this conversation by basically saying I was lying.
The information the op was given is correct and if he wishes to use it all well and good if not I've wasted my time.
Now you've been a forum member since 2017 and all of a sudden become a very active and informative member can't really understand where all your expertise has come from in such a short time.
Regards.
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11 July 2020, 10:24 AM
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I'm sorry Sir but you are nit picking the op wants and needs to know what he needs for HIS car.
1. He hasn't a r180 he has a r160.
2. The so called link is of very little benefit because they are as said very hard to source.
3. The link does not inform him as to whether he needs a r160 or r180 it just tells him which cars have that transmission fitted.
4. As you will no doubt know there is both r160 and r180 in the 4.444 ratio so he could go looking for a r180 instead of a r160 and cost himself a small fortune and also end up wondering why nothing fits.
Pooolq This one will suit you the very best but might not be exactly the same as the one that comes out but will fit and work if anything it will be an upgrade
.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-im...53.m1438.l2649
1. He hasn't a r180 he has a r160.
2. The so called link is of very little benefit because they are as said very hard to source.
3. The link does not inform him as to whether he needs a r160 or r180 it just tells him which cars have that transmission fitted.
4. As you will no doubt know there is both r160 and r180 in the 4.444 ratio so he could go looking for a r180 instead of a r160 and cost himself a small fortune and also end up wondering why nothing fits.
Pooolq This one will suit you the very best but might not be exactly the same as the one that comes out but will fit and work if anything it will be an upgrade
.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-im...53.m1438.l2649
My understanding so far is that any 160 diff with a 4.444 ratio, off a version 4-6 car would work. I have learnt that earlier versions had different fittings.
Is my understanding correct to your knowledge?
And sorry, didn't mean to start a debate!