No IE onboard Windows 7 in Europe
12 June 2009, 03:42 PM
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No IE onboard Windows 7 in Europe
BBC NEWS | Technology | No IE onboard Windows 7 in Europe
Ignoranuses caused this. Apple are smiling today, i bet.
Discuss.
Ignoranuses caused this. Apple are smiling today, i bet.
Discuss.
12 June 2009, 03:53 PM
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...and why aren't Apple hounded for including Safari with their operating systems?
I know that historically speaking, MS haven't always been the cleanest player on the field, but this Euorpean witch hunt is getting beyound a joke.
I'd guess that IE will be offered as a download option within the OS itself (i.e. no browser required).
I know that historically speaking, MS haven't always been the cleanest player on the field, but this Euorpean witch hunt is getting beyound a joke.
I'd guess that IE will be offered as a download option within the OS itself (i.e. no browser required).
12 June 2009, 03:54 PM
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interesting point. i wonder if, during the installation, it asks whether you want an internet browser or not.... or whether it gives you 'popular' choices.
Maybe it's always there, but you have to go to Control Panel>Programs and features>Windows applications and tick it.
Maybe it's always there, but you have to go to Control Panel>Programs and features>Windows applications and tick it.
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12 June 2009, 05:11 PM
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Thanks just F'ing crazy. I've been running Windows 7 RC1 (and the beta) since the day MS released it. I'm so impressed that for the first time ever I'll go out and buy an operating system (rather than just have whatever the PC came installed with).
13 June 2009, 12:22 PM
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"In early 2008, Microsoft was fined 899m euros (£765m) by the European Commission for anti-competitive behaviour over bundling in the media player and browser into Windows.
In January 2009, Brussels reached a "preliminary view" that Microsoft was denting the chance for true competition by bundling its browser software in with its operating system. "
In January 2009, Brussels reached a "preliminary view" that Microsoft was denting the chance for true competition by bundling its browser software in with its operating system. "
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15 June 2009, 01:03 PM
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< Takes off Fanboy hat > 
In XP/Vista, is it actually possible to completely remove IE7/8 from the machine? What detriment to the system will be seen if it is removed. I know that the windows update website doesn't, or at least didn't when I last visited it, play nice, thus requiring you to use IE to download updates. However, I'm fully aware that you don't need to go to the site to do this, the windows update utility does allow you to view, download and install updates, though I'm not sure if that only applies to high priority updates, thus the optional ones are not installed.
My understanding of the situation is that IE is very tightly integrated into the current operating systems, and thus removing it could cause problems (hence my initial question) and thus wasn't a real option until a new OS release.
Safari isn't tied into the OS, thus that's probably one reason that Apple hasn't been hounded about this. You can go into the apps folder and delete Safari and it won't stop the computer from working.
It is a very good point about how to get an browser onto a machine with no internet connection, and probably no other network connectivity. Perhaps IE will be included on the install disk as an additional option, so you'd pop the disk in and install it, job done.
In XP/Vista, is it actually possible to completely remove IE7/8 from the machine? What detriment to the system will be seen if it is removed. I know that the windows update website doesn't, or at least didn't when I last visited it, play nice, thus requiring you to use IE to download updates. However, I'm fully aware that you don't need to go to the site to do this, the windows update utility does allow you to view, download and install updates, though I'm not sure if that only applies to high priority updates, thus the optional ones are not installed.
My understanding of the situation is that IE is very tightly integrated into the current operating systems, and thus removing it could cause problems (hence my initial question) and thus wasn't a real option until a new OS release.
Safari isn't tied into the OS, thus that's probably one reason that Apple hasn't been hounded about this. You can go into the apps folder and delete Safari and it won't stop the computer from working.
It is a very good point about how to get an browser onto a machine with no internet connection, and probably no other network connectivity. Perhaps IE will be included on the install disk as an additional option, so you'd pop the disk in and install it, job done.
15 June 2009, 01:15 PM
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I don't think IE is tied into the OS these days. If you delete Explorer.exe (the file manager), the OS simply writes a new one 
IE is a separate installation and quite lumpy too, so probably too much for the OS to just squirt out a new IE8, as it were.
Shortly after I installed Vista, I installed Chrome and it asked "Chrome is not your default browser, do you want it to be?". I said Yes.
I've not seen IE since. In fact, I have to dig in the start menu to find IE.
IE is a separate installation and quite lumpy too, so probably too much for the OS to just squirt out a new IE8, as it were.
Shortly after I installed Vista, I installed Chrome and it asked "Chrome is not your default browser, do you want it to be?". I said Yes.
I've not seen IE since. In fact, I have to dig in the start menu to find IE.
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My understanding of the situation is that IE is very tightly integrated into the current operating systems, and thus removing it could cause problems (hence my initial question) and thus wasn't a real option until a new OS release.
Safari isn't tied into the OS, thus that's probably one reason that Apple hasn't been hounded about this. You can go into the apps folder and delete Safari and it won't stop the computer from working.
It is a very good point about how to get an browser onto a machine with no internet connection, and probably no other network connectivity.
Perhaps IE will be included on the install disk as an additional option, so you'd pop the disk in and install it, job done.
15 June 2009, 02:29 PM
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Iain,
Thanks for the reply. For a change I wasn't being Mac Fanboy I think in the past IE had been a rather core component of the OS, and that is probably where all this anti-competitive stuff has come from. This seems not to be the case these days, so that you for clarifying that.
My comment about no internet connection and no network connectivity could have been better worded. In fact no internet connection should have really been "no browser" as in a catch 22 situation, you need a browser to get a browser - ignoring the fact there could be a "download browser" application on the desktop.
The point about no other network connectivity was from the viewpoint that it's a home user, with a single computer, thus they don't have another machine they can connect to and copy over, for example, Firefox. Yes, they may have an internet connection, but how do they get a browser onto the machine?
Thanks for the reply. For a change I wasn't being Mac Fanboy
I think in the past IE had been a rather core component of the OS, and that is probably where all this anti-competitive stuff has come from. This seems not to be the case these days, so that you for clarifying that.My comment about no internet connection and no network connectivity could have been better worded. In fact no internet connection should have really been "no browser" as in a catch 22 situation, you need a browser to get a browser - ignoring the fact there could be a "download browser" application on the desktop.
The point about no other network connectivity was from the viewpoint that it's a home user, with a single computer, thus they don't have another machine they can connect to and copy over, for example, Firefox. Yes, they may have an internet connection, but how do they get a browser onto the machine?
15 June 2009, 04:05 PM
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A fanboy? surely not you Markus 
All very true, and just shows how silly the EU is being over this. I know you can install browsers (Firefox etc) from magazine coverdisks etc, but generally speaking you do need a browser to get a browser.
The point about no other network connectivity was from the viewpoint that it's a home user, with a single computer, thus they don't have another machine they can connect to and copy over, for example, Firefox. Yes, they may have an internet connection, but how do they get a browser onto the machine?
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