Lazy or Naive web designers - driving me nuts
31 July 2005, 11:22 PM
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Lazy or Naive web designers - driving me nuts
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Why is it, just because I happend to increase the font size of my browser, in this case firefox, does it cause just about every website I look at, turn into unacceptable jumbled mess of graphics and text ?
Don't people realise the very essence of html is its flexibility to allow things like increased text sizes ?
Websites these days are more concerned with looking pretty than having flexibility. Its not that difficult to implement if you code things properly, but it astounds me how many web designers either get lazy or just can't do it.
Stop writing sites ONLY for Internet Explorer so your drop down boxes actually work (TimesOnline carlocater has only just implemented this)
Stop producing fixed width <tables> that don't adjust for different browser window sizes and text sizes!!!!
I'll get me coat
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Why is it, just because I happend to increase the font size of my browser, in this case firefox, does it cause just about every website I look at, turn into unacceptable jumbled mess of graphics and text ?
Don't people realise the very essence of html is its flexibility to allow things like increased text sizes ?
Websites these days are more concerned with looking pretty than having flexibility. Its not that difficult to implement if you code things properly, but it astounds me how many web designers either get lazy or just can't do it.
Stop writing sites ONLY for Internet Explorer so your drop down boxes actually work (TimesOnline carlocater has only just implemented this)
Stop producing fixed width <tables> that don't adjust for different browser window sizes and text sizes!!!!
I'll get me coat
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01 August 2005, 12:42 AM
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Yeah, I think some desginers think everyone still uses 640x480 or 800x600 too...things can get rather small whne your running more than 1280x1024 
Flash sites with lengthy bandwidth hungry intro animations - pure annoying
Excessive use of scripts for buttons and boxes - great apart from my firewall blocks mosts of it. So makes the completely site useless. (also slows down the browser -vBulletin and Scoobynet take note
).
yes another one for Scoobynet and VBulletin - Tiny fixed size Reply boxes
Flash sites with lengthy bandwidth hungry intro animations - pure annoying
Excessive use of scripts for buttons and boxes - great apart from my firewall blocks mosts of it. So makes the completely site useless. (also slows down the browser -vBulletin and Scoobynet take note
).
Stop producing fixed width <tables> that don't adjust for different browser window sizes and text sizes!!!!
01 August 2005, 05:17 PM
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The thing is, Firefox et al are a piece of **** to develop for because they render CSS properly, the problems start when you come to IE which is utter wanksplash.
Add IE's problems to the fact that many designers and developers just can't be arsed to learn how people interact with websites or monitor browsing habits and you have yourselves the kind of problems you get above.
Too many amateurs around playing at being developers I'm afraid. Pisses me off no end!
Add IE's problems to the fact that many designers and developers just can't be arsed to learn how people interact with websites or monitor browsing habits and you have yourselves the kind of problems you get above.
Too many amateurs around playing at being developers I'm afraid. Pisses me off no end
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01 August 2005, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by angrynorth
Too many amateurs around playing at being developers I'm afraid. Pisses me off no end !
!I can't be the only one who's getting on in years now (now in my thirties) so my eyesight isn't what it used to be. I can't be the only person upping the type sizes and seeing the utter mess this produces on most sites.
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02 August 2005, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by stevencotton
Haha, but don't they all work from home, spending more time with family and friends with REAL career prospects? 
IIRC it was a computeach course 
02 August 2005, 04:57 PM
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Yeah... those mythical IT jobs where you only 35 hours, from home and your weekends are never interrupted ... and you never get called at 2 in the morning or anything...
03 August 2005, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ozzy
They're not mythical. I've got one and get paid well for it too
You must be an IT manager then!
03 August 2005, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ozzy
They're not mythical. I've got one and get paid well for it too
03 August 2005, 01:03 PM
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In fairness Computeach have been around since 1965 (they initailly started up local to me ) - they've been in the game since the dawning of the computer.
However, I'll gladly stnad by and critcise the kind of people who they and many other companes and colleges churns out on a daily basis. I blame the useage and dependency on ultra high level languages and the flaws they introduce. If we still stuck with low level languages, then the whole industry would have been reserved purely to people who know what they are doing
) - they've been in the game since the dawning of the computer.However, I'll gladly stnad by and critcise the kind of people who they and many other companes and colleges churns out on a daily basis. I blame the useage and dependency on ultra high level languages and the flaws they introduce. If we still stuck with low level languages, then the whole industry would have been reserved purely to people who know what they are doing
04 August 2005, 02:44 PM
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Ali-B,
Wouldn't you agree, regardless of how "high level" the language is, if they're not learned correctly, they all give enough rope to hang yourself ? eg. assembler offers various ways to achieve the same goal, some less eloquent than others.
I think the key is, if you're going to teach, be responsible and teach properly. Not some quick-fix, 2 week wonder!
Wouldn't you agree, regardless of how "high level" the language is, if they're not learned correctly, they all give enough rope to hang yourself ? eg. assembler offers various ways to achieve the same goal, some less eloquent than others.
I think the key is, if you're going to teach, be responsible and teach properly. Not some quick-fix, 2 week wonder!
05 August 2005, 12:29 AM
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Yeah I would agree to some extent, but the high level languages being so easy to learn have caused it to be like this. As it leaves the industry open to anyone and everybody, and pretty soon professionalism gets lost somewhere along the way.
Back in "the day" when to the average person a programming language made no sense whatsoever meant that only dedicated people who were willing and enthusiatic enough learnt it - and in doing so learnt it properly (and thus the computer geek was born ), perhaps the teachers back then were better too
Back in "the day" when to the average person a programming language made no sense whatsoever meant that only dedicated people who were willing and enthusiatic enough learnt it - and in doing so learnt it properly (and thus the computer geek was born
), perhaps the teachers back then were better too
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