To all those people that call themselves webdesigners (it seems an honourary title these days) how have you come to call yourselves professionals and what kind of experience can you bring to the table?

It seems that anyone who has picked up an Idiot's Guide To HTML book suddenly inherits the knowledge that real web professionals have strived to achieve in over 10 years of design and implementation.

It makes a mockery of all we've worked for and achieved in education and REAL world experience. It's no gold rush anymore.

Just because I once helped a mate wallpaper his bedroom, does that make me a professional decorator? If I've once changed the oil in my car, does that make me a mechanic? So in kind, if we create a Scooby fan-zine, does it make us professionals?

Let's stick to what we know best folks and stop making the digital design industry any more flooded than it needs to be.

 

Once designed a site using notepad and vbasic cgi back end.

Seemed easy enough to me

 

Hello

Erm ... what's up? Have you just lost a job to someone?!

Steve.

 

Whilst where having a whinge will people stop pretending that they know how to set permissions on files... Full control to everyone



David

 

"Erm ... what's up? Have you just lost a job to someone?!"

No

 

Where did that outburst come from?

 

From within

 

Let it out mate, let it out.....


P.S. I did a bit of flash the other day - killed 3 people doing it can I call myself a Web Guru?

 

Damaja: you strike me as a very arrogant person. I hope to never meet you

You scare me.

 

web design ?

get a book, quick read and away you go.......

nothing to it really from what i can see ?

good way to make a few bob ?

qualif.....eh! wot

 

Don't need Books - everything you need is on-line

 

ahh but u forget deano.....down here in the south we can all read

unlike u lot.......

 

Damaja Stop promoting your highly skilled company.... Do I see a banner ....... No ... so **** off [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Moderator close this thread, its free advertisement if you ask me

rr

 

Arrogant? Call it what you like but putting togther you grans website that has info about her budgie in size 200000 lime green font does not make you a webdesigner.

 

cough.............splutter..........choke.....chok e....

highly skilled.....

choke....cough.....falls off chair in astonishment at the words 'highly' and 'skilled' being applied to Dam !

RR : watch out Dam will have to sue you now for defamation of character

 

yeah cheers for the constructive comments guys? But hey you are all webdesigners too as you once touched a copy of "Create" in WH Smiths

 

I help with website admin/design etc... on http://www.cliosport.net (good plug!) but by no means would consider myself a proper webdesigner. I'm learning though....another feather in the cap!

 

Not worried Steveboy - Damaja would prove he has got character first, southern git

Anyway, was applying to his company....not him

 

Well, Damaja has a very good point and I don't blame him for the outburst.

I have helped many friends by giving them pointers, URL's, old books etc to help them to start building a basic page. If they came back to me a month later claiming to be web professionals, I would laugh in their faces and slap em down back to earth.

I see posts on this site by people asking where they can learn web design. Fine. But when I see the same people 4 weeks later claiming to be 'web professionals' touting for business, it infuriates me. This is a livelyhood that many experts rely on and when you have amateurs claiming to be such, it does nothing but ruin the reputations of those that genuinely do have the experience and education.

My father has a number of restaraunts in the west end and the amount of cold calls he gets for web design is astonishing. When asked to show examples of previous work, I was amazed to see that my dead hamster, Ladyboy (god rest his soul), would have done a better job.

And these people are out there charging money?

Pfft...

The Internet owes everything to the bedroom coder, creating websites out of notepad and populating the mass that is the world wide web. If it wasn't for these amateurs, then none of this would be possible. Let's just give a little respect to those out there that have earned credit where credit's due.

Cem

 

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I have to agree with Dami Dam Dam the Dam Dam Man.

You get cowboys in every profession and enough of us get caught out by them and wish that there were stricter regulations governing these professions so shouldn't we all be behind the Dam man and not allow every Tom Dick or Roger call themselves Web Designers.

Go dami you stand up for yourself mate

Mike

 

RB170 - What happens when your name isn't tom or roger???

 

Then you can call your self a Web Designer or whatever you want

Mike

 

Cooooooool.... Cheers RB

 

I started off doing the company web-site about 7/8 years ago when you could just about get away with notepad and patience - the competition on the Internet just wasn't there.

at the next company, a year or so later, I managed to cobble something together with a basic back end running under vb - but had already made it clear to the marketing guys not to expect too much "for free" as my design flair was MIA.

The knack of combining desgin talent with technical talent to make a site work is very difficult. Very few "personal" web pages look any good 'cos they get too involved with one thing or another. Its the reason I don't have a personal web-site - I *know* I cant make one to look as good as I know it should/can.

To be honest if someone believes their brother can knock them up a site in a few evenings, they're not going to make a good client as they clearly have no idea of the skills and challenges involved - so will expect something for very little.

Day Job now is designing IP networks for 80K users - and you get people who believe 'cos they have a netgear 8 port hub at home that its the same. It isn't but *imho* soemtimes you can only appreciate the difference unless you're on the "professional" side.

Its certainly not limited to only web-design.

Deano

 

Put your money where your mouth is Damaja, give us some URLs of sites you've designed.

And boy, they had better be the dogs bollox.

 

We asked one of those so called web design blokes to design a simple few pages for our CS clan. Whats does he come up with after 6 months?????? Nothing!

Going to read 'HTML for idiots' and see if I can do a better job

 

http://www.geocities.com/webtekrocks/

 

Deano,
That's my point exactly. There should always be a distinction between hobby and what youre 'paid' to do. Being paid for something denotes artistic/technical merit.

Cem

 

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