Webdesign
11 June 2002, 04:05 PM
#1
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,783
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
To all those people that call themselves webdesigners (it seems an honourary title these days) how have you come to call yourselves professionals and what kind of experience can you bring to the table?
It seems that anyone who has picked up an Idiot's Guide To HTML book suddenly inherits the knowledge that real web professionals have strived to achieve in over 10 years of design and implementation.
It makes a mockery of all we've worked for and achieved in education and REAL world experience. It's no gold rush anymore.
Just because I once helped a mate wallpaper his bedroom, does that make me a professional decorator? If I've once changed the oil in my car, does that make me a mechanic? So in kind, if we create a Scooby fan-zine, does it make us professionals?
Let's stick to what we know best folks and stop making the digital design industry any more flooded than it needs to be.
It seems that anyone who has picked up an Idiot's Guide To HTML book suddenly inherits the knowledge that real web professionals have strived to achieve in over 10 years of design and implementation.
It makes a mockery of all we've worked for and achieved in education and REAL world experience. It's no gold rush anymore.
Just because I once helped a mate wallpaper his bedroom, does that make me a professional decorator? If I've once changed the oil in my car, does that make me a mechanic? So in kind, if we create a Scooby fan-zine, does it make us professionals?
Let's stick to what we know best folks and stop making the digital design industry any more flooded than it needs to be.
11 June 2002, 04:30 PM
#4
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Leeds - It was 562.4bhp@28psi on Optimax, How much closer to 600 with race fuel and a bigger turbo?
Posts: 15,239
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Whilst where having a whinge will people stop pretending that they know how to set permissions on files... Full control to everyone 
David
David
Trending Topics
11 June 2002, 04:50 PM
#13
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Damaja Stop promoting your highly skilled company.... Do I see a banner ....... No ... so **** off [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Moderator close this thread, its free advertisement if you ask me
rr
Moderator close this thread, its free advertisement if you ask me
rr
11 June 2002, 04:51 PM
#14
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,783
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Arrogant? Call it what you like but putting togther you grans website that has info about her budgie in size 200000 lime green font does not make you a webdesigner.
11 June 2002, 04:53 PM
#15
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 4,983
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
cough.............splutter..........choke.....chok e....
highly skilled.....
choke....cough.....falls off chair in astonishment at the words 'highly' and 'skilled' being applied to Dam !
RR : watch out Dam will have to sue you now for defamation of character
highly skilled.....
choke....cough.....falls off chair in astonishment at the words 'highly' and 'skilled' being applied to Dam !
RR : watch out Dam will have to sue you now for defamation of character
11 June 2002, 04:54 PM
#17
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I help with website admin/design etc... on http://www.cliosport.net (good plug!) but by no means would consider myself a proper webdesigner. I'm learning though....another feather in the cap!
11 June 2002, 04:56 PM
#19
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 1999
Location: London
Posts: 3,855
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well, Damaja has a very good point and I don't blame him for the outburst.
I have helped many friends by giving them pointers, URL's, old books etc to help them to start building a basic page. If they came back to me a month later claiming to be web professionals, I would laugh in their faces and slap em down back to earth.
I see posts on this site by people asking where they can learn web design. Fine. But when I see the same people 4 weeks later claiming to be 'web professionals' touting for business, it infuriates me. This is a livelyhood that many experts rely on and when you have amateurs claiming to be such, it does nothing but ruin the reputations of those that genuinely do have the experience and education.
My father has a number of restaraunts in the west end and the amount of cold calls he gets for web design is astonishing. When asked to show examples of previous work, I was amazed to see that my dead hamster, Ladyboy (god rest his soul), would have done a better job.
And these people are out there charging money?
Pfft...
The Internet owes everything to the bedroom coder, creating websites out of notepad and populating the mass that is the world wide web. If it wasn't for these amateurs, then none of this would be possible. Let's just give a little respect to those out there that have earned credit where credit's due.
Cem
I have helped many friends by giving them pointers, URL's, old books etc to help them to start building a basic page. If they came back to me a month later claiming to be web professionals, I would laugh in their faces and slap em down back to earth.
I see posts on this site by people asking where they can learn web design. Fine. But when I see the same people 4 weeks later claiming to be 'web professionals' touting for business, it infuriates me. This is a livelyhood that many experts rely on and when you have amateurs claiming to be such, it does nothing but ruin the reputations of those that genuinely do have the experience and education.
My father has a number of restaraunts in the west end and the amount of cold calls he gets for web design is astonishing. When asked to show examples of previous work, I was amazed to see that my dead hamster, Ladyboy (god rest his soul), would have done a better job.
And these people are out there charging money?
Pfft...
The Internet owes everything to the bedroom coder, creating websites out of notepad and populating the mass that is the world wide web. If it wasn't for these amateurs, then none of this would be possible. Let's just give a little respect to those out there that have earned credit where credit's due.
Cem
11 June 2002, 05:13 PM
#21
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,587
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have to agree with Dami Dam Dam the Dam Dam Man.
You get cowboys in every profession and enough of us get caught out by them and wish that there were stricter regulations governing these professions so shouldn't we all be behind the Dam man and not allow every Tom Dick or Roger call themselves Web Designers.
Go dami you stand up for yourself mate
Mike
You get cowboys in every profession and enough of us get caught out by them and wish that there were stricter regulations governing these professions so shouldn't we all be behind the Dam man and not allow every Tom Dick or Roger call themselves Web Designers.
Go dami you stand up for yourself mate
Mike
11 June 2002, 05:19 PM
#25
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 1999
Posts: 4,518
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I started off doing the company web-site about 7/8 years ago when you could just about get away with notepad and patience - the competition on the Internet just wasn't there.
at the next company, a year or so later, I managed to cobble something together with a basic back end running under vb - but had already made it clear to the marketing guys not to expect too much "for free" as my design flair was MIA.
The knack of combining desgin talent with technical talent to make a site work is very difficult. Very few "personal" web pages look any good 'cos they get too involved with one thing or another. Its the reason I don't have a personal web-site - I *know* I cant make one to look as good as I know it should/can.
To be honest if someone believes their brother can knock them up a site in a few evenings, they're not going to make a good client as they clearly have no idea of the skills and challenges involved - so will expect something for very little.
Day Job now is designing IP networks for 80K users - and you get people who believe 'cos they have a netgear 8 port hub at home that its the same. It isn't but *imho* soemtimes you can only appreciate the difference unless you're on the "professional" side.
Its certainly not limited to only web-design.
Deano
at the next company, a year or so later, I managed to cobble something together with a basic back end running under vb - but had already made it clear to the marketing guys not to expect too much "for free" as my design flair was MIA.
The knack of combining desgin talent with technical talent to make a site work is very difficult. Very few "personal" web pages look any good 'cos they get too involved with one thing or another. Its the reason I don't have a personal web-site - I *know* I cant make one to look as good as I know it should/can.
To be honest if someone believes their brother can knock them up a site in a few evenings, they're not going to make a good client as they clearly have no idea of the skills and challenges involved - so will expect something for very little.
Day Job now is designing IP networks for 80K users - and you get people who believe 'cos they have a netgear 8 port hub at home that its the same. It isn't but *imho* soemtimes you can only appreciate the difference unless you're on the "professional" side.
Its certainly not limited to only web-design.
Deano
11 June 2002, 05:31 PM
#27
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Hants
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
We asked one of those so called web design blokes to design a simple few pages for our CS clan. Whats does he come up with after 6 months?????? Nothing!
Going to read 'HTML for idiots' and see if I can do a better job
Going to read 'HTML for idiots' and see if I can do a better job
11 June 2002, 05:33 PM
#28
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,783
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
11 June 2002, 05:36 PM
#29
Scooby Regular
Join Date: May 1999
Location: London
Posts: 3,855
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Deano,
That's my point exactly. There should always be a distinction between hobby and what youre 'paid' to do. Being paid for something denotes artistic/technical merit.
Cem
That's my point exactly. There should always be a distinction between hobby and what youre 'paid' to do. Being paid for something denotes artistic/technical merit.
Cem