tony de wonderful

...so says a left wing think tank.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...hink-tank.html

It is basically saying that 3rd world immigration is a net drain. They earn low incomes (when they do work) which does not pay enough tax to cover the health spending, education, etc costs of 'having them here'.

Meanwhile we pay British people to sit at home on the dole.

This is in contrast to the opinion of people like F1 who see immigration as a boost to the economy.

dpb

I wonder how much they were paid to produce such tripe

The Zohan

But is it tripe, what do you base this on?

My Kids attend an activity/art group at the local community centre, went after school yesterday. One woman there had her five children aged around >1 yr to i guess 9 years of age, sat at the same table we where. she was chatting to another parent. (in her broken English): her husband works as a cleaner so likely minimum wages.
So who provides housing, schooling, medical care child allowance for her family of 7?

Next someone will be telling me this is a one-off

dpb

3rd world 'immigrants' generally have someone back home to support - how can they afford this doing nothing

The Zohan

No one said they are "doing nothing" what they are doing - being allowed to do by successive weak governments unwilling to tackle immigration is working in low paid/unskilled jobs which could easily be filled by the home-grown lifestyle unemployed we already have here who seem to be left to their own devices.

In a lot of cases 'they' are used to nothing, or next to nothing, no support, no help, no anything back home, coming here and getting given money by the government to top up low wages - having your kids get child allowance, free medical, free schools, free school dinners (if on low wages), free/subsidised housing, etc means that people can save and send back only £20.00 a month would keep family back home.

for five kids under 18 the child allowance is euro 941.00 (£800.00) approx. father works say 40 hours at 7.00 per hour £1200 per month - how much tax will he be paying versus just his child benefit alone...how exactly does this benefit the UK?

dpb

you get to see someone from a different ethnic background

mybe this is your/tonys actual problem


and your illustration is not quite average im sure youll agree

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

No ****.....

Import thousands of people who had nothing and give them stuff, cant blame them for coming and we do have a duty as a rich nation to offer a certain amount of places, we do need some diversity contrary to the Daily Mail Little Englander view which I think is born out of partially fear and ignorance but also hard facts. We are a small Island nation with our own issues and really, importing more people wholesale that put strain on the systems is not a good idea, trouble is this gets lumped in with "racism", if we dont let them in then we are being racist, also I think New Labour were importing some voters.

Other countries manage to keep their borders Policed and deport illegals but we are a soft touch, quotas should be realistic, strict and people should be setn back as soon as caught before they get a Cat that relies on them or get married, if they commit any crime then straight back to whence they came, Idont like the fact I pay all this money in stopages each month to a government who seem intent on spending it all on people who have never and probably will never contribute, ok a lot of immigrants do but go to any inner city and see whats going on, ghettos full of Somalians, Eritreans, Polish, Turks and Romanians.

Thre tode needs stopping, look after those who are here but close the doors apart from a strict quota, everyone has a hard luck story and a justification to be here but let other countries do their bit and sometimes its ok to say no, there are three billion people in the world, we cant take them all, feed them, clothe them, educate them, house them etc, its expensive and a lot dont seem especially grateful.

The Zohan

I have little problem seeing people from different ethnic backgrounds. I have worked all over the world with people from difference backgrounds and take people as i find them. My concern is that given our current unemployment and given our current debts and existing pressures on education and the NHS that adding to these makes no sense and if anything will damage their ability to function and support people. adding to that burden with people who are in many cases taking out more than they are putting in is stupid to the point of reckless.

my illustration not quite average, what do you base this on? there are families arriving from third world countries where having many children is part of their culture and way of life. Unskilled people who will likely fill menial basic roles for minimum wages. people who will take out more than they put in as indicated in the newspaper article via a left-wing think-tank.

So, how is my example un-typical???

Try spending a couple of hours outside the immigration offices in say Croydon and see if that changes your opinion.

with 3 million unemployed and vacancies in the job market we should look to have close to zero unemployment vs. vacancies and then allow in immigrants in to fill the non/low skilled jobs that are then vacant and if they can add value, contribute, not just take out. That's just common sense.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Froth froth

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I'm absolutely astonished IPPR agreed to produce this report in the first place, and even more astonished that CH4 went ahead with the program once they'd found out what was in it.

Will make very interesting viewing.

Iain250

iTrader: (1)

My wife works in nhs dentistry says one customer who is on benefits has to have a mandarin chinese interpreter (on our local authorities payroll ,and i cant see her being cheap!) with her for her treatments.

A little snapshot of our country nowadays -more fool us really - if i got all my treatments free north of the yangtze i prob head there - wonder if they have any scottish interpreters in bejing ?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Well I've had to have treatment in France, and believe me, you speak French.

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

That article is 4 years old.

cster

Good observation.

dpb

7 billion now


T de woeful lives only to drag up ****e like this to troll with

Leslie

Wonder why it took so long to actually work all that out!

Les