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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 10:05 PM
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P.S. Didn't realise you'd edited, Warren.
eh? I haven't. It tells you if I've edited...
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 10:11 PM
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eh? I haven't. It tells you if I've edited...
It was Banny's post that threw me. You evidently didn't edit so my apologies. My question still stands though if you'd care to answer it, if not, no worries.

Eta: just re-read the thread and can see that Banny was referring to your other post. Again, apologies.

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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 10:28 PM
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sorry if I confused everyone with clarifying with "radical". I was doing it in an attempt to "be fair" and avoid the "all Muslims are terrorists" type of side tracking. Seems you cant win sometimes.

I would think anyone who believes that Islam is superior and holds non muslim as kafir/infidel as pretty radical. Substitute in untermensch and you see where it goes. If you think that rape victims should be stoned, women should wear veils to stop men getting aroused, homosexuals or Jews should be eliminated, young girls should be mutilated, all western women are prostitutes, christians are all liars, the USA is satan, honour killings are perfectly OK, forced marriage is a normal relationship path, intimidation and violence over issues such as cartoons is perfectly kosher (haha), suppression of free speech, preaching death to apostates, blasphemers and adulterers, muslim patrols telling women what they can and cant wear, primitive butchery of animals, and it goes on and on and on. All these things are alien to this country, its history and its way of life. We do not need this imported barbarism, it brings nothing but misery with it (especially for the women), and I oppose it.

Oh and thanks Shaid for the personal insults. It confirms the low esteem I hold you in.
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
sorry if I confused everyone with clarifying with "radical". I was doing it in an attempt to "be fair" and avoid the "all Muslims are terrorists" type of side tracking. Seems you cant win sometimes.

I would think anyone who believes that Islam is superior and holds non muslim as kafir/infidel as pretty radical. Substitute in untermensch and you see where it goes. If you think that rape victims should be stoned, women should wear veils to stop men getting aroused, homosexuals or Jews should be eliminated, young girls should be mutilated, all western women are prostitutes, christians are all liars, the USA is satan, honour killings are perfectly OK, forced marriage is a normal relationship path, intimidation and violence over issues such as cartoons is perfectly kosher (haha), suppression of free speech, preaching death to apostates, blasphemers and adulterers, muslim patrols telling women what they can and cant wear, primitive butchery of animals, and it goes on and on and on. All these things are alien to this country, its history and its way of life. We do not need this imported barbarism, it brings nothing but misery with it (especially for the women), and I oppose it.

Oh and thanks Shaid for the personal insults. It confirms the low esteem I hold you in.
Is your list borrowed from Islam or radical Islam?
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 10:38 PM
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Is your list borrowed from Islam or radical Islam?
you choose
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 10:47 PM
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you choose
I need to check my facts (and I'm happy to be challenged on this), but I'm going to throw caution to the wind and state that each of the things you describe receives its mandate from Islam's source texts. In my view, Islam is radical and the distinction ought to be between Islam and moderate Islam, with moderate Muslims being those who've moved away from the source texts or who are simply apathetic, nominal Muslims by birth.
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
I would think anyone who believes that Islam is superior and holds non muslim as kafir/infidel as pretty radical.
Do you extend the same 'radical' categorisation to Jews and Christians or members of other religions too?

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If you think that rape victims should be stoned
Nope, those that do are obviously *****

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women should wear veils to stop men getting aroused
Such men should be kept indoors until they learn to control their 'aroused' however i have no problem with a woman choosing to wear what she does. This includes the viel, hijab, that nun outfit, etc.

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homosexuals or Jews should be eliminated
Nope

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young girls should be mutilated
Cultural issue

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all western women are prostitutes
Not all, there are plenty of hookers in the east as well. If you are saying those that believe that women who choose to wear whatever they like (esp when flesh is displayed) is akin to being a prostitute then i agree that folk with that mentality are a pretty ****ed up.

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christians are all liars
Not all, just some. Of course, liare can be found in every group however the methods some missionaries will go to bump up conversion numbers is pretty low. Oh and that evangelical church spreading lies does not help either.


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the USA is satan
Not quite Satan. I mean a lot of good does come from the USA and there are many good folk there however it's government and killing machine has a lot to be desired.

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honour killings are perfectly OK, forced marriage is a normal relationship path
Not at all however the same goes with other religions as well. It is culture and nothing more. Hindus and Sikhs are guilty of it just as Muslims.

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intimidation and violence over issues such as cartoons is perfectly kosher (haha)
Of course it's not, however i can understand why someone will feel like that. Remember how the English were feeling when poppies were burnt by Anjem Ch & Partners Plc and rightly so. Anyway, remember when you point one finger three point right back.

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All that other bollox he spouted


So basically in your world i'm a radical but non as radical as you had hoped so now your disappointed that you could not be the knight that you envisaged and save Scoobynet from being groomed by me. Your going to have to find another tree to bark at now sunshine. I suggest you go and join the other morons who wear green bin liners and take the country back on frail old imam at a time when the mosque is empty.

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Oh and thanks Shaid for the personal insults. It confirms the low esteem I hold you in.
Seriously bro... without wanting to offend. Your opinion of me is the exact importance as to what some guy who lives in the Japanese equivalent of the flat above a takeaway down the local high street had for dinner last night.... basically ****.... all
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 11:26 PM
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Taylor is a **** who is on my ignore list
I understand why he is on your ignore list. Do you think he does it on purpose or is it something that he cannot help. We all know someone who gets very horny the sight of a pretty woman, we also know that one guy who kind of gets horny whenever he see's or ears a fast car. Do you think Taylor is one onf them folk who get an immediate stiffy when Islam is mentioned? Maybe it's part of his crusade (pun intended).
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Old Jul 20, 2014 | 11:41 PM
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I think James is a far more complex individual than any of us realise. I'm unsure wether that complexity belies some deeper rooted unrest or mental turmoil.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
sorry if I confused everyone with clarifying with "radical". I was doing it in an attempt to "be fair" and avoid the "all Muslims are terrorists" type of side tracking. Seems you cant win sometimes.

I would think anyone who believes that Islam is superior and holds non muslim as kafir/infidel as pretty radical. Substitute in untermensch and you see where it goes. If you think that rape victims should be stoned, women should wear veils to stop men getting aroused, homosexuals or Jews should be eliminated, young girls should be mutilated, all western women are prostitutes, christians are all liars, the USA is satan, honour killings are perfectly OK, forced marriage is a normal relationship path, intimidation and violence over issues such as cartoons is perfectly kosher (haha), suppression of free speech, preaching death to apostates, blasphemers and adulterers, muslim patrols telling women what they can and cant wear, primitive butchery of animals, and it goes on and on and on. All these things are alien to this country, its history and its way of life. We do not need this imported barbarism, it brings nothing but misery with it (especially for the women), and I oppose it.

Oh and thanks Shaid for the personal insults. It confirms the low esteem I hold you in.
Hang on, you what? All these things are alien to this country and it's history. I think you'll find you're wrong on that score (how much so depends how picky i'm feeling).

Lets take the point on homosexuality as it's an easy start, only within the last 10 years or so has homosexuality become acceptable in the UK and there is still a large portion of the population who believe it to be wrong/immoral etc. Then I'd hazard a guess there is also plenty of people of people out there who go to the extreme of believing it should be eliminated.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 08:49 AM
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Hang on, you what? All these things are alien to this country and it's history. I think you'll find you're wrong on that score (how much so depends how picky i'm feeling).

Lets take the point on homosexuality as it's an easy start, only within the last 10 years or so has homosexuality become acceptable in the UK and there is still a large portion of the population who believe it to be wrong/immoral etc. Then I'd hazard a guess there is also plenty of people of people out there who go to the extreme of believing it should be eliminated.
I wouldn't give to much credence to Warren's assertions. Intellectually he's a lightweight and you can be sure his 'concerns' are less to do with fact and more to do with his background.
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Old Jul 21, 2014 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Maz
I wouldn't give to much credence to Warren's assertions. Intellectually he's a lightweight and you can be sure his 'concerns' are less to do with fact and more to do with his background.
Yeah but it's much more fun to call bollocks on it and see how he justifies it.
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Then I'd hazard a guess there is also plenty of people of people out there who go to the extreme of believing it should be eliminated.
Yes and most of them post in NSR judging by previous threads on the issue
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I wouldn't give to much credence to Warren's assertions. Intellectually he's a lightweight and you can be sure his 'concerns' are less to do with fact and more to do with his background.
Really? which part of what I posted is not fact? I also note you dont actually contribute with anything apart from insults, and yet try to claim the intellectual high ground.

And what do you know of my background? And in what way does it make any difference to the validity of my argument?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I need to check my facts (and I'm happy to be challenged on this), but I'm going to throw caution to the wind and state that each of the things you describe receives its mandate from Islam's source texts. In my view, Islam is radical and the distinction ought to be between Islam and moderate Islam, with moderate Muslims being those who've moved away from the source texts or who are simply apathetic, nominal Muslims by birth.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Hang on, you what? All these things are alien to this country and it's history. I think you'll find you're wrong on that score (how much so depends how picky i'm feeling).

Lets take the point on homosexuality as it's an easy start, only within the last 10 years or so has homosexuality become acceptable in the UK and there is still a large portion of the population who believe it to be wrong/immoral etc. Then I'd hazard a guess there is also plenty of people of people out there who go to the extreme of believing it should be eliminated.
Thought you were going to mention homosexuality being illegal within some of our lifetimes. Yes, agree with the fact that a lot of traditional white English find homosexuality immoral and disgusting, the difference being they don't want to stone them to death
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Yeah but it's much more fun to call bollocks on it and see how he justifies it.
So you dont have any views on this either way then, just fancy a bit of baiting?
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Originally Posted by Maz
I think James is a far more complex individual than any of us realise. I'm unsure wether that complexity belies some deeper rooted unrest or mental turmoil.
I've had my run ins with him in the past, but reasonable points deserve a reasonable response
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Thought you were going to mention homosexuality being illegal within some of our lifetimes. Yes, agree with the fact that a lot of traditional white English find homosexuality immoral and disgusting, the difference being they don't want to stone them to death
I think Britian First Christian Group would be happy to prove you wrong. Okay maybe not stoning to death but hanging or shooting? They wouldn't have the ***** to publicly state it as it's very un pc and rightly so.
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Really? which part of what I posted is not fact? I also note you dont actually contribute with anything apart from insults, and yet try to claim the intellectual high ground.

And what do you know of my background? And in what way does it make any difference to the validity of my argument?
Which part is actual fact? You're simply regurgitating what you hear from the BBC and asserting it as fact. The whole Trojan Horse 'thing' was a complete hoax so ergo I'm refusing to give anything on the subject any validity. If there are 'problems' within these faith type schools (which in my opinion have no place in secular society) then I trust appropriate measures will be taken to rectify the situation.
There's a general insidious line in a lot of your threads, a xenophobic and derisory tone towards people differing from yourself, be it immigrants in this country or events abroad. You're a devious **** stirrer and you know it. As for your background best leave that stone unturned.
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Thought you were going to mention homosexuality being illegal within some of our lifetimes. Yes, agree with the fact that a lot of traditional white English find homosexuality immoral and disgusting, the difference being they don't want to stone them to death
That's because homosexuality was the easy one. Most of the examples you gave as being 'alien to this country' can be found in it's history if you have a quick look.

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So you dont have any views on this either way then, just fancy a bit of baiting?
Not so much baiting. As i said, it's more about calling someone out when they're spouting rubbish when trying to condem a religious group.
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Which part is actual fact? You're simply regurgitating what you hear from the BBC and asserting it as fact. The whole Trojan Horse 'thing' was a complete hoax so ergo I'm refusing to give anything on the subject any validity.
Errr.... you do realise that TWO reports DID find that the teachers were promoting Islamic beliefs as claimed. Keep up dear

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If there are 'problems' within these faith type schools (which in my opinion have no place in secular society) then I trust appropriate measures will be taken to rectify the situation.

Your trust is mis-placed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...keep-jobs.html


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There's a general insidious line in a lot of your threads, a xenophobic and derisory tone towards people differing from yourself, be it immigrants in this country or events abroad. You're a devious **** stirrer and you know it. As for your background best leave that stone unturned.
When in doubt, or your argument is being torn apart, better go with the insults eh Maz? I object to evil belief systems not foreigners. I believe in a meritocratic, points based immigration system not open doors. You're entitled to believe what you like about me, but I am pretty open in what I believe so your claim I'm devious is untrue. I also know lots of things but one thing you do not know is my background, so please stop making yourself look more stupid in public by referring to it. You do not know me, or anything about me except what I choose to write here
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Errr.... you do realise that TWO reports DID find that the teachers were promoting Islamic beliefs as claimed. Keep up dear




Your trust is mis-placed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...keep-jobs.html




When in doubt, or your argument is being torn apart, better go with the insults eh Maz? I object to evil belief systems not foreigners. I believe in a meritocratic, points based immigration system not open doors. You're entitled to believe what you like about me, but I am pretty open in what I believe so your claim I'm devious is untrue. I also know lots of things but one thing you do not know is my background, so please stop making yourself look more stupid in public by referring to it. You do not know me, or anything about me except what I choose to write here
The only thing you are capable of tearing is the toilet roll to wipe your backside and even then you probably take two attempts.
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The only thing you are capable of tearing is the toilet roll to wipe your backside and even then you probably take two attempts.
Wow! With a sharp mind like that I have no hope in an intellectual battle with you. What are you 10 years old?
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I can feel a few big "I told you so" coming.
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I am pretty sure I proved j taylor was a copy and paste troll who had no clue what he I'd talking about years ago.
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I am pretty sure I proved j taylor was a copy and paste troll who had no clue what he I'd talking about years ago.
taylor has proved he is a ****
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
I am pretty sure I proved j taylor was a copy and paste troll who had no clue what he I'd talking about years ago.
Spot on, not seen the threads you refer to but I worked that one out for myself after reading a couple of threads he was involved in. Copy, paste, regurgitate, incapable of independent original thought, thus being re-born as a sheep suits his personality perfectly.

I forgive him though, he's a product and victim of the society we live in.
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