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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
sorry if I confused everyone with clarifying with "radical". I was doing it in an attempt to "be fair" and avoid the "all Muslims are terrorists" type of side tracking. Seems you cant win sometimes.

I would think anyone who believes that Islam is superior and holds non muslim as kafir/infidel as pretty radical. Substitute in untermensch and you see where it goes. If you think that rape victims should be stoned, women should wear veils to stop men getting aroused, homosexuals or Jews should be eliminated, young girls should be mutilated, all western women are prostitutes, christians are all liars, the USA is satan, honour killings are perfectly OK, forced marriage is a normal relationship path, intimidation and violence over issues such as cartoons is perfectly kosher (haha), suppression of free speech, preaching death to apostates, blasphemers and adulterers, muslim patrols telling women what they can and cant wear, primitive butchery of animals, and it goes on and on and on. All these things are alien to this country, its history and its way of life. We do not need this imported barbarism, it brings nothing but misery with it (especially for the women), and I oppose it.

Oh and thanks Shaid for the personal insults. It confirms the low esteem I hold you in.


Congratulations on the "Idiot of the week award", you don't have to look very far back into British history to find all of the above.

Witch hunts, Friday the 13th, Blasphemy, Adultery, the right of a landlord to rape a surfs new bride, (I forget the correct term) to name a few of the rather barbaric practices of this fair isle, and that's before we get onto things like the church declaring blacks as not being human and all that came with it.

You really should have a bit of a think before you post something like that.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 10:52 AM
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Not sure why you're all excited about one poster when the thread is about Islamification of schools.

Anyway another link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ew-report.html and a comment cut and pasted in full

"Sedition is a very serious and dangerous crime or at least it would be if we had a loyal and responsible government.

Those who plan and participate in sedition should be arrested and jailed not sent home with a slap on the wrist. Our lives and nation are at risk and this government does nothing.

No one but an idiot or a dangerous appeaser would not recognise this behaviour for what it is - a planned and deliberate attack on our democracy, freedoms, laws and civil rights using children for their evil intent. Where are the teaching unions?

These people cannot and must not be allowed to simply go back to work, melt back into the establishment or go home to make new plans. They should go straight to jail.

If the government, police and judiciary do not protect our democracy to the fullest then they too are complicit in this crime against the British people and our democracy. If they do not arrest then all lesser crimes are also fair game for breaking on an organised and committed level.

The PM it seems has just 'discovered' FGM and how brutal and criminal it is - this we have all known for years. Hundreds of thousands of girls denied even basic protection of British law and instead left under the rule of brutal Sharia Law - in Britain in the 21st century.

Not one, NOT ONE person has been arrested - that's how much this government is committed to protecting girls and women! No marches from the Left and not a peep or public demands from teaching and health unions or child protection agencies and charities.

Such an evil and savage crime against children or even an adult would get anyone else a long or life sentence. We rightly jail people like the Philpots but we do not even arrest the cutters, enablers, people traffickers, underage 'marriage' organisers organisers (child rape), or the parents of victims of this evil crime. What kind of commitment to safety is that? How can a child have trust and faith British law and order? I ask just what does someone have to do to go to jail these days?

What does the government do in the light of it discovering this 'new crime' - promise yet another piece of delay, smoke and mirrors.

Vote UKIP for British law - all equal under the law. That is the only democratic way to deal with sedition and the undemocratic, separatist brutalities of Sharia Law. Ban it and ban it now. Only UKIP in number 10 will protect children with strong and equal law. Watch the police and Cameron et al sit on their hands and not use those hands to sign arrest warrants or a sign cheque for more police officers or more prisons.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 11:01 AM
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster


Congratulations on the "Idiot of the week award", you don't have to look very far back into British history to find all of the above.

Witch hunts, Friday the 13th, Blasphemy, Adultery, the right of a landlord to rape a surfs new bride, (I forget the correct term) to name a few of the rather barbaric practices of this fair isle, and that's before we get onto things like the church declaring blacks as not being human and all that came with it.

You really should have a bit of a think before you post something like that.
We covered that earlier and he didn't have an answer for it then either. Oh and by the by the term you were looking for is the right of prima nocta, although having googled it there seems to be some debate as to whether or not it ever actually happened.

Oh and Warren, thats some mighty fine copy and paste work.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 12:48 PM
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So if I get this correctly now we have a government (with an anti-Muslim agenda) report being reported in a paper (with an anti-Muslim agenda) and we are believing everything it says?

As I said earlier in the thread there is some truth to this story, but it is getting lost in the political posturing of the press and the politicians who are banging their anti-Muslim drum with glee over it!
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
So if I get this correctly now we have a government (with an anti-Muslim agenda) report being reported in a paper (with an anti-Muslim agenda) and we are believing everything it says?

As I said earlier in the thread there is some truth to this story, but it is getting lost in the political posturing of the press and the politicians who are banging their anti-Muslim drum with glee over it!
Gvmt anti Muslim agenda? Have you gone mad? As the report clearly states, there was official appeasement going on to avoid been seen as "Islamophobic" I dont call appeasement anti Muslim...
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster


Congratulations on the "Idiot of the week award", you don't have to look very far back into British history to find all of the above.

Witch hunts, Friday the 13th, Blasphemy, Adultery, the right of a landlord to rape a surfs new bride, (I forget the correct term) to name a few of the rather barbaric practices of this fair isle, and that's before we get onto things like the church declaring blacks as not being human and all that came with it.

You really should have a bit of a think before you post something like that.
I'm not in your league though

If you call 3,4 or 500 years in the past "not very far", fine. But the rest of the UK has moved on since mediaeval times, we had the Enlightment which seems to have passed you by and built an Empire, built a Parliamentary system which has served us well (compared to other systems), were a world superpower, led the world in innovation etc etc.

So to bring the thread back on course, all the things that an completely alien to this barbaric, paedophilic, anti-civilised ideology
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
I'm not in your league though

If you call 3,4 or 500 years in the past "not very far", fine. But the rest of the UK has moved on since mediaeval times, we had the Enlightment which seems to have passed you by and built an Empire, built a Parliamentary system which has served us well (compared to other systems), were a world superpower, led the world in innovation etc etc.

So to bring the thread back on course, all the things that an completely alien to this barbaric, paedophilic, anti-civilised ideology
I say it was more rape,pillage,murder,enslave and stolen everything from just about everyone on the planet.

But lets not let what Britain and it's allies have done, past and present get in the way of muslim bashing.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 02:12 PM
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As to what level are we allowed to discuss Muslim behaviour?

If I was to raise the point that I don't like what has been going on and disagree with some of the beliefs that Muslims have does that equate to "Muslim bashing" ?
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Gvmt anti Muslim agenda? Have you gone mad? As the report clearly states, there was official appeasement going on to avoid been seen as "Islamophobic" I dont call appeasement anti Muslim...
Sometimes Warren you need to look a little deeper than what's on the surface to realise the truth. This whole thing plays perfectly into the hands of the anti-Muslim brigade..... one can only wonder why it has been handled so poorly?
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
As to what level are we allowed to discuss Muslim behaviour?

If I was to raise the point that I don't like what has been going on and disagree with some of the beliefs that Muslims have does that equate to "Muslim bashing" ?
Bash away Chis. Muslims, Christians, Jews. All completely f*cked in the head to some degree or other, following a set of rules which to greater or lesser degree are totally out dated and have no place in an accepting, civilised society.

Buddhists are the only ones that I have no problem with.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Bash away Chis. Muslims, Christians, Jews. All completely f*cked in the head to some degree or other, following a set of rules which to greater or lesser degree are totally out dated and have no place in an accepting, civilised society.

Buddhists are the only ones that I have no problem with.
They get up to some effed up crap as well. Google what they get upto in Burma....
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
They get up to some effed up crap as well. Google what they get upto in Burma....
Yep, done. Still don't have an issue with Buddhists
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Yep, done. Still don't have an issue with Buddhists
Somebody with a dangerous dog as a ***** extension doesn't qualify as being of an objective mindset.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Yep, done. Still don't have an issue with Buddhists
Really?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...just-escalated

Replace the word Muslim with white middle class schoolgirl.... now is it still not an issue?
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Somebody with a dangerous dog as a ***** extension doesn't qualify as being of an objective mindset.
The irony of your misinformed sterotyping, in light of the subject matter of this thread, is not lost on me, Maz, nor I suspect anyone else with half a brain reading it
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
The irony of your misinformed sterotyping, in light of the subject matter of this thread, is not lost on me, Maz, nor I suspect anyone else with half a brain reading it
Double irony?
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Really?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...just-escalated

Replace the word Muslim with white middle class schoolgirl.... now is it still not an issue?
Yes really.

And no, its not an issue as far as my position on Buddhism is concerned.

Those are quite clearly the acts of extremists, not following the fundimental principals of Buddhism.

Are you sugegsting that an entire faith system should be demonised because of the acts of a few "extremists"?

Because if you were, that would be somewhat hypocritcal on your part, wouldn't it?
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Originally Posted by Maz
Double irony?
I'm not sure the concept exists, Maz, but if we assume that it does, that would require me to have sterotyped also. So please do point out where I've stereotyped here.

But I'm glad you admit the irony of your own post
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Originally Posted by Devildog
I'm not sure the concept exists, Maz, but if we assume that it does, that would require me to have sterotyped also. So please do point out where I've stereotyped here.

But I'm glad you admit the irony of your own post
The question mark clearly eluded you.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
The question mark clearly eluded you.
Not at all, Maz. We both know fine well what you meant, let us not be deluded about that
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Not at all, Maz. We both know fine well what you meant, let us not be deluded about that
Elucidate.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 04:30 PM
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Sometimes Warren you need to look a little deeper than what's on the surface to realise the truth.
As a concept, that's fine, although I would want evidence that things aren't what they seem. Could you post some rather than an assertion?

Originally Posted by f1_fan
This whole thing plays perfectly into the hands of the anti-Muslim brigade..... one can only wonder why it has been handled so poorly?
To my mind Occam's razor applies. The situation was handled poorly by Birmingham because, as already stated, they were afraid of being accused of Islamophobia, and that made them lose sight of their obligations to actually run schools properly.

Conspiracy theories and cynicism are all fine, there have been examples in the past where they have been essential to get at the truth, but as a default position, I think it hinders rather than helps
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Yes really.

And no, its not an issue as far as my position on Buddhism is concerned.

Those are quite clearly the acts of extremists, not following the fundimental principals of Buddhism.

Are you sugegsting that an entire faith system should be demonised because of the acts of a few "extremists"?

Because if you were, that would be somewhat hypocritcal on your part, wouldn't it?
Yes, it would be. Oh well...
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Originally Posted by chris j t
As to what level are we allowed to discuss Muslim behaviour?

If I was to raise the point that I don't like what has been going on and disagree with some of the beliefs that Muslims have does that equate to "Muslim bashing" ?
I don't follow any religion but obviously know the basics of which all three religions doing battle are basically the same belief system, god, heaven and hell, faithful and sinners.

They are all as bad as one another when it comes to the extremist wrong doings, the current trend is to pick upon the wrong doings of the muslim extremists, but one only has to look at the Gaza thread or what's been going off in Iraq to see the wrong doings of the other variants of these supposedly peace loving god bothering mentalists.

I just think it rather silly how the people on all sides are so easily led into believing they are the righteous, when in fact they're all as bad as one another, it goes right back to something I'm sick of saying. "Divide and conquer" and "maintain the status quo" all the suckers around the world still lapping this crap up after all these centuries, it goes way beyond belief, well mine at least.

Edit to add something relevant to the thread; It all tails into the education system which is just another part of brain washing the masses to feed the machine that is the few at the top that have it all.

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Originally Posted by Maz
Elucidate.
Using big words might impress the less educated on here Maz (once they've gone and googled it) but it doesn't impress me.

If you want to have a sensible conversation about why you believe "devil dog ***** extention" sterotyping was not ironic then I'd be happy to entertain that.

But I'm not playing silly games whilst you try and backtrack from what was a bit of a dumb post.

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Originally Posted by Shaid
Yes, it would be. Oh well...
Glad we can agree on something Shaid
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Using big words might impress the less educated on here Maz (once they've gone and googled it) but it doesn't impress me.

If you want to have a sensible conversation about why you believe "devil dog ***** extention" sterotyping was not ironic then i'd be happey to entertain that.

But I'm not playing silly games whilst you try and backtrack from what was a bit of a dumb post.
Okay if you say so.
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Glad we can agree on something Shaid
I need to stop agreeing with people on here. Taylor has even asked me if i'm an athiest!!!

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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
I don't follow any religion but obviously know the basics of which all three religions doing battle are basically the same belief system, god, heaven and hell, faithful and sinners.

They are all as bad as one another when it comes to the extremist wrong doings, the current trend is to pick upon the wrong doings of the muslim extremists, but one only has to look at the Gaza thread or what's been going off in Iraq to see the wrong doings of the other variants of these supposedly peace loving god bothering mentalists.

I just think it rather silly how the people on all sides are so easily led into believing they are the righteous, when in fact they're all as bad as one another, it goes right back to something I'm sick of saying. "Divide and conquer" and "maintain the status quo" all the suckers around the world still lapping this crap up after all these centuries, it goes way beyond belief, well mine at least.

Edit to add something relevant to the thread; It all tails into the education system which is just another part of brain washing the masses to feed the machine that is the few at the top that have it all.
Couldn't agree more

Doh! done it again
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