New UK Subaru Sti - Due April/May
07 May 2014, 06:49 PM
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here is a good thread which someone ordered there 2015, look at the feedback on that site and then compare to this site....
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2600738
the cars the OP owned before ordering the 2015 was
e39 M5
AP2 S2000
e90 330i
e36 325iS
F80 135i
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2600738
the cars the OP owned before ordering the 2015 was
e39 M5
AP2 S2000
e90 330i
e36 325iS
F80 135i
08 May 2014, 01:13 PM
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here is a good thread which someone ordered there 2015, look at the feedback on that site and then compare to this site....
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2600738
the cars the OP owned before ordering the 2015 was
e39 M5
AP2 S2000
e90 330i
e36 325iS
F80 135i
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2600738
the cars the OP owned before ordering the 2015 was
e39 M5
AP2 S2000
e90 330i
e36 325iS
F80 135i
08 May 2014, 02:36 PM
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lol you want to read this one about one guy who moans saying the 2015 is slow compared to others
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2627285
entertaining read
one of my highlights is one guy saying:
im not comparing the new ones to mine, im comparing them stock to stock. i am just saying the test drive probably wont be that amazing for me as i am used to the power of my car.
the response
What do you need more power for? So you can street race and get arrested on the way to getting groceries?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2627285
entertaining read
one of my highlights is one guy saying:
im not comparing the new ones to mine, im comparing them stock to stock. i am just saying the test drive probably wont be that amazing for me as i am used to the power of my car.
the response
What do you need more power for? So you can street race and get arrested on the way to getting groceries?
08 May 2014, 02:37 PM
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Isn't the thread all about the US MY15 WRX with the direct injection 268bhp engine starting at around $27k (£17k). Which is an absolute snip and has 6 speed in it. Or have I miss read it, as very little mention of the STI.
08 May 2014, 02:40 PM
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I was told today there is a £500 additional cost for colours, what colour comes as no cost option then and why couldn't I find the additional cost on their website last time I looked?
08 May 2014, 06:51 PM
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So just because you have been here for a period of time and donated does that give you a right? Think you need to reread the top of the forum subaru enthusiast, which I don't feel you are anymore
Just because you have paid doesn't mean anything, negativity reduces people's enjoyment on a site and will lead to them not visiting and the site not growing, like a few of the other "paid" and old people that now wear the "banned" symbol, don't troll it's not entertaining,
this isn't facebook and I will be honest here I don't need to read your rubbish, notice how no one really posts after your posts? Don't be a dick, if you want to troll go find another site if we wanted another marquee we certainly wouldn't be on here
Just because you have paid doesn't mean anything, negativity reduces people's enjoyment on a site and will lead to them not visiting and the site not growing, like a few of the other "paid" and old people that now wear the "banned" symbol, don't troll it's not entertaining,
this isn't facebook and I will be honest here I don't need to read your rubbish, notice how no one really posts after your posts? Don't be a dick, if you want to troll go find another site if we wanted another marquee we certainly wouldn't be on here
So every Subaru made is brilliant and we should all love it because it has a Subaru badge???
I love my hawkeye STi(sometimes more then my missus
) even though some people hate the hawkeye as it has the dodgy 2.5 engine and crappy lexus style rear lights!!!
Im not trying to come over negative over the new car as I havent seen one on the road or driven one yet so cant comment, and its not the new WRX STi I have a problem with which you seem to think I have(even though it could do with a bit more power
.) I dont like the way Subaru has evolved over the years(cars have shown it and sales), the company has in my view gone backwards instead of forwards, and the amount of showrooms that have closed and cars sold over the last few years has shown that.
Im not trying to troll, im just trying to have a discussion with like minded enthusiasts but your getting on your high horse and calling me a d1ck and telling me to log off a site ive been on for over 10 years because you dont like my opinions!!
I hope the new WRX STi is brilliant, and they sell loads, but because of past cars over the last 6-7 years with 2.5 litre engine problems, Subaru's bad customer service, high road tax, other manufacturers making just as good enough cars for less money, that I have my doubts!!!
XDevil666 try and be nice now, I haven't called you names, im just trying to have a discussion about Subaru's in which I do love apart from they take up all my time, money and cause arguments between me and the missus!!
08 May 2014, 06:59 PM
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You pay your money and take your chances, I have 63k on my MY11. There is loads of evidence of 2.5s failing. Just talk to any of the specialists and they will real off the same problems. Chocolate pistons, head gaskets failing, liners dropping and bottom ends picking up. They may all be linked to poor fuel or low oil weak blocks, or cars being driven like they are stolen, but they are just not as strong as a 2.0 or 2.2CDB, fact.
The point here though is that subaru haven't improved the engine and drive train in over 8 years (20+ years for the Datsun rear diff but if it works don't change it, lol). So progress has stood still and it was far from optimum when it stopped, having gone backwards to the 2.5ODB.
Don't get me wrong they are still fantastic value and fun to drive but they need to be looked after and fed the best fluids and drivers need to learn when the engine is telling them to back off.
Come on Subaru we need some innovation and more bang for our bucks.
The point here though is that subaru haven't improved the engine and drive train in over 8 years (20+ years for the Datsun rear diff but if it works don't change it, lol). So progress has stood still and it was far from optimum when it stopped, having gone backwards to the 2.5ODB.
Don't get me wrong they are still fantastic value and fun to drive but they need to be looked after and fed the best fluids and drivers need to learn when the engine is telling them to back off.
Come on Subaru we need some innovation and more bang for our bucks.
And judging by his picture he has a newer shape STi with the 2.5, Funny how its a lot of owners who have the 2.5 fitted to there cars that are put off from the newer shape WRX STi.So my question is, how many owners who have previous Impreza's with the 2.5 litre engine are going to order/thinking of ordering the brand new WRX STi???
08 May 2014, 07:09 PM
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This guy has hit the nail on the head^^^^^^^^^^ And judging by his picture he has a newer shape STi with the 2.5, Funny how its a lot of owners who have the 2.5 fitted to there cars that are put off from the newer shape WRX STi.
So my question is, how many owners who have previous Impreza's with the 2.5 litre engine are going to order/thinking of ordering the brand new WRX STi???
And judging by his picture he has a newer shape STi with the 2.5, Funny how its a lot of owners who have the 2.5 fitted to there cars that are put off from the newer shape WRX STi.So my question is, how many owners who have previous Impreza's with the 2.5 litre engine are going to order/thinking of ordering the brand new WRX STi???
Also own a modded Terzo from new!
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So I was just told by another dealer Pi55 poor info on the Subaru website though. Been sent an apologetic offer today by the dealer but still too far off for me I'm afraid 
Pi55 poor info on the Subaru website though. Been sent an apologetic offer today by the dealer but still too far off for me I'm afraid
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http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/subaru-g...-of-man-record
Rally driver Mark Higgins to tackle TT circuit in 2014 Subaru WRX STI
I must say the new STI really is growing on me. Especially blue
Rally driver Mark Higgins to tackle TT circuit in 2014 Subaru WRX STI
I must say the new STI really is growing on me. Especially blue
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This thread has become hilarious in my absence.
"You must like all Subarus or you are a traitor to the marque" seems to be the mantra of certain posters on here!
I love this sort of single marque blindness, it makes me laugh. It's the same sort of simplistic thinking that also seems to go hand in hand with slagging off any other marque and seems unusually prevalent when it comes to Subaru fanatics!
Real petrolheads have their favourites across many marques, but neither are they blind to the fallings of certain models in all those various marques either.
In the case of Subaru I owned 5 across a 17 year span, 4 of which were purchased new. I enjoyed the increasingly iconic status of the classic from 1996 (when I first purchased my first) to 2001, a time when the car was untouchable in terms of performance for the cost.
I remember being at a customer's site when the fire alarm went off and when we all congregated in the car park the lads from the factory unit next door were all crowded round my car.
I remember a business colleague of mine who had a tuned Cavalier SRI driving my car and then complaining that ever since it felt like the handbrake was on in his
Great times... a truly great car.... and I was a confirmed fanatic.... and joined this board way back in Feb 1999!
Fast forward to 2007 and finally things started to unwind for me. In my opinion the hatch was one of the worst cars, aesthetic design wise, I have ever seen especially in STI form, it is fussy and doesn't flow at all... the front of the car is truly hideous. It is true that Imprezas have never been beautiful cars, but previous incarnations at least looked purposeful and aggressive.. this was and is a dog's dinner... all in my opinion of course!
That said I could just about have forgiven it that if it was head and shoulders above the competition and the previous models and although in some ways it was crucially for the UK fan base in raw performance terms it wasn't and the sales even allowing for the recession showed that (only Renault statistically enjoyed a sales slump anywhere near as bad as Subaru and that was in part due to them withdrawing from certain sectors of the market).
Then came the engine issue and the extremely poor handling of it by IM and Subaru in the UK. If you actually read the thread at the top of the page there are plenty of engines going bang on standard cars with no messing so this myth that certain people on here are starting to perpetuate about it only being an issue on cars where the owner has tuned them or messed with them is nonsense and dishonest!
So fast forward to 2014 and now we have a new model with a marginally better design than the outgoing one in terms of aesthetics, but all indicators point to the fact it is still going to have the same engine and therefore potentially the same issues. To rub salt in the wounds Subaru proudly claim a five year warranty on all models.... except the WRX STI.... how utterly tragic is that!
Therefore you will have to excuse me if I cannot wholeheartedly recommend someone buy one of these 'fine new WRX STIs' until we know the full story with the engine. I am still an enthusiast of the marque, but common sense has to come before brand loyalty and anyway brand loyalty is only worth maintaining if the brand in question keeps its side of the bargain and keeps producing desirable products.
Leaving aside many other issues such as the fact the car no longer represents the performance bargain it once was the engine issue is for me the biggest unknown and potentially still a massive one.
This notion that has grown up around the 2008 onwards STI of not worrying about it until it happens and then chucking £3k at it to fix it is ridiculous as most normal sane people do not want to be chucking £3k into a car to fix an issue that should not be there in the first place.
If this is still the case with a brand new model then that is downright criminal of Subaru and one can only hope it turns out not to be the case! However until that is 100% confirmed I will continue to warn people off... if that makes me a traitor or a non-enthusiast of the marque in some people's eyes then so be it!
"You must like all Subarus or you are a traitor to the marque" seems to be the mantra of certain posters on here!
I love this sort of single marque blindness, it makes me laugh. It's the same sort of simplistic thinking that also seems to go hand in hand with slagging off any other marque and seems unusually prevalent when it comes to Subaru fanatics!
Real petrolheads have their favourites across many marques, but neither are they blind to the fallings of certain models in all those various marques either.
In the case of Subaru I owned 5 across a 17 year span, 4 of which were purchased new. I enjoyed the increasingly iconic status of the classic from 1996 (when I first purchased my first) to 2001, a time when the car was untouchable in terms of performance for the cost.
I remember being at a customer's site when the fire alarm went off and when we all congregated in the car park the lads from the factory unit next door were all crowded round my car.
I remember a business colleague of mine who had a tuned Cavalier SRI driving my car and then complaining that ever since it felt like the handbrake was on in his
Great times... a truly great car.... and I was a confirmed fanatic.... and joined this board way back in Feb 1999!
Fast forward to 2007 and finally things started to unwind for me. In my opinion the hatch was one of the worst cars, aesthetic design wise, I have ever seen especially in STI form, it is fussy and doesn't flow at all... the front of the car is truly hideous. It is true that Imprezas have never been beautiful cars, but previous incarnations at least looked purposeful and aggressive.. this was and is a dog's dinner... all in my opinion of course!
That said I could just about have forgiven it that if it was head and shoulders above the competition and the previous models and although in some ways it was crucially for the UK fan base in raw performance terms it wasn't and the sales even allowing for the recession showed that (only Renault statistically enjoyed a sales slump anywhere near as bad as Subaru and that was in part due to them withdrawing from certain sectors of the market).
Then came the engine issue and the extremely poor handling of it by IM and Subaru in the UK. If you actually read the thread at the top of the page there are plenty of engines going bang on standard cars with no messing so this myth that certain people on here are starting to perpetuate about it only being an issue on cars where the owner has tuned them or messed with them is nonsense and dishonest!
So fast forward to 2014 and now we have a new model with a marginally better design than the outgoing one in terms of aesthetics, but all indicators point to the fact it is still going to have the same engine and therefore potentially the same issues. To rub salt in the wounds Subaru proudly claim a five year warranty on all models.... except the WRX STI.... how utterly tragic is that!
Therefore you will have to excuse me if I cannot wholeheartedly recommend someone buy one of these 'fine new WRX STIs' until we know the full story with the engine. I am still an enthusiast of the marque, but common sense has to come before brand loyalty and anyway brand loyalty is only worth maintaining if the brand in question keeps its side of the bargain and keeps producing desirable products.
Leaving aside many other issues such as the fact the car no longer represents the performance bargain it once was the engine issue is for me the biggest unknown and potentially still a massive one.
This notion that has grown up around the 2008 onwards STI of not worrying about it until it happens and then chucking £3k at it to fix it is ridiculous as most normal sane people do not want to be chucking £3k into a car to fix an issue that should not be there in the first place.
If this is still the case with a brand new model then that is downright criminal of Subaru and one can only hope it turns out not to be the case! However until that is 100% confirmed I will continue to warn people off... if that makes me a traitor or a non-enthusiast of the marque in some people's eyes then so be it!
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12 May 2014, 08:59 AM
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This thread has become hilarious in my absence.
"You must like all Subarus or you are a traitor to the marque" seems to be the mantra of certain posters on here!
I love this sort of single marque blindness, it makes me laugh. It's the same sort of simplistic thinking that also seems to go hand in hand with slagging off any other marque and seems unusually prevalent when it comes to Subaru fanatics!
Real petrolheads have their favourites across many marques, but neither are they blind to the fallings of certain models in all those various marques either.
In the case of Subaru I owned 5 across a 17 year span, 4 of which were purchased new. I enjoyed the increasingly iconic status of the classic from 1996 (when I first purchased my first) to 2001, a time when the car was untouchable in terms of performance for the cost.
I remember being at a customer's site when the fire alarm went off and when we all congregated in the car park the lads from the factory unit next door were all crowded round my car.
I remember a business colleague of mine who had a tuned Cavalier SRI driving my car and then complaining that ever since it felt like the handbrake was on in his
Great times... a truly great car.... and I was a confirmed fanatic.... and joined this board way back in Feb 1999!
Fast forward to 2007 and finally things started to unwind for me. In my opinion the hatch was one of the worst cars, aesthetic design wise, I have ever seen especially in STI form, it is fussy and doesn't flow at all... the front of the car is truly hideous. It is true that Imprezas have never been beautiful cars, but previous incarnations at least looked purposeful and aggressive.. this was and is a dog's dinner... all in my opinion of course!
That said I could just about have forgiven it that if it was head and shoulders above the competition and the previous models and although in some ways it was crucially for the UK fan base in raw performance terms it wasn't and the sales even allowing for the recession showed that (only Renault statistically enjoyed a sales slump anywhere near as bad as Subaru and that was in part due to them withdrawing from certain sectors of the market).
Then came the engine issue and the extremely poor handling of it by IM and Subaru in the UK. If you actually read the thread at the top of the page there are plenty of engines going bang on standard cars with no messing so this myth that certain people on here are starting to perpetuate about it only being an issue on cars where the owner has tuned them or messed with them is nonsense and dishonest!
So fast forward to 2014 and now we have a new model with a marginally better design than the outgoing one in terms of aesthetics, but all indicators point to the fact it is still going to have the same engine and therefore potentially the same issues. To rub salt in the wounds Subaru proudly claim a five year warranty on all models.... except the WRX STI.... how utterly tragic is that!
Therefore you will have to excuse me if I cannot wholeheartedly recommend someone buy one of these 'fine new WRX STIs' until we know the full story with the engine. I am still an enthusiast of the marque, but common sense has to come before brand loyalty and anyway brand loyalty is only worth maintaining if the brand in question keeps its side of the bargain and keeps producing desirable products.
Leaving aside many other issues such as the fact the car no longer represents the performance bargain it once was the engine issue is for me the biggest unknown and potentially still a massive one.
This notion that has grown up around the 2008 onwards STI of not worrying about it until it happens and then chucking £3k at it to fix it is ridiculous as most normal sane people do not want to be chucking £3k into a car to fix an issue that should not be there in the first place.
If this is still the case with a brand new model then that is downright criminal of Subaru and one can only hope it turns out not to be the case! However until that is 100% confirmed I will continue to warn people off... if that makes me a traitor or a non-enthusiast of the marque in some people's eyes then so be it!
"You must like all Subarus or you are a traitor to the marque" seems to be the mantra of certain posters on here!
I love this sort of single marque blindness, it makes me laugh. It's the same sort of simplistic thinking that also seems to go hand in hand with slagging off any other marque and seems unusually prevalent when it comes to Subaru fanatics!
Real petrolheads have their favourites across many marques, but neither are they blind to the fallings of certain models in all those various marques either.
In the case of Subaru I owned 5 across a 17 year span, 4 of which were purchased new. I enjoyed the increasingly iconic status of the classic from 1996 (when I first purchased my first) to 2001, a time when the car was untouchable in terms of performance for the cost.
I remember being at a customer's site when the fire alarm went off and when we all congregated in the car park the lads from the factory unit next door were all crowded round my car.
I remember a business colleague of mine who had a tuned Cavalier SRI driving my car and then complaining that ever since it felt like the handbrake was on in his
Great times... a truly great car.... and I was a confirmed fanatic.... and joined this board way back in Feb 1999!
Fast forward to 2007 and finally things started to unwind for me. In my opinion the hatch was one of the worst cars, aesthetic design wise, I have ever seen especially in STI form, it is fussy and doesn't flow at all... the front of the car is truly hideous. It is true that Imprezas have never been beautiful cars, but previous incarnations at least looked purposeful and aggressive.. this was and is a dog's dinner... all in my opinion of course!
That said I could just about have forgiven it that if it was head and shoulders above the competition and the previous models and although in some ways it was crucially for the UK fan base in raw performance terms it wasn't and the sales even allowing for the recession showed that (only Renault statistically enjoyed a sales slump anywhere near as bad as Subaru and that was in part due to them withdrawing from certain sectors of the market).
Then came the engine issue and the extremely poor handling of it by IM and Subaru in the UK. If you actually read the thread at the top of the page there are plenty of engines going bang on standard cars with no messing so this myth that certain people on here are starting to perpetuate about it only being an issue on cars where the owner has tuned them or messed with them is nonsense and dishonest!
So fast forward to 2014 and now we have a new model with a marginally better design than the outgoing one in terms of aesthetics, but all indicators point to the fact it is still going to have the same engine and therefore potentially the same issues. To rub salt in the wounds Subaru proudly claim a five year warranty on all models.... except the WRX STI.... how utterly tragic is that!
Therefore you will have to excuse me if I cannot wholeheartedly recommend someone buy one of these 'fine new WRX STIs' until we know the full story with the engine. I am still an enthusiast of the marque, but common sense has to come before brand loyalty and anyway brand loyalty is only worth maintaining if the brand in question keeps its side of the bargain and keeps producing desirable products.
Leaving aside many other issues such as the fact the car no longer represents the performance bargain it once was the engine issue is for me the biggest unknown and potentially still a massive one.
This notion that has grown up around the 2008 onwards STI of not worrying about it until it happens and then chucking £3k at it to fix it is ridiculous as most normal sane people do not want to be chucking £3k into a car to fix an issue that should not be there in the first place.
If this is still the case with a brand new model then that is downright criminal of Subaru and one can only hope it turns out not to be the case! However until that is 100% confirmed I will continue to warn people off... if that makes me a traitor or a non-enthusiast of the marque in some people's eyes then so be it!
Totally agree, who would buy a car and expect to spend 3k on an engine build on it?!?! If it had done 300k then maybe, but on a low mileage standard car, or even mildly tweaked it should not be an issue at all.
A new car shouldnt need anything spent on it for a very long time other than consumables!
12 May 2014, 09:16 AM
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I would imagine many people have spent 4-5k on a car engine been rebuilt
The 2.5 engine 2008 modles now second hand must be dropping on price to 8/9k retail
7k trade in for garages but now after market warrenty company's won't want to touch them with a barge pole for the potential cost of rebuilds
Also garages will have To put a big mark up on them to cover any issues making them not price competitive and will be reluctant to take them in on px on tight deals and margins
,
Intersting in one of the motoring magazine Subaru have had I think the third biggest decrease in sales in the last few years
The 2.5 engine 2008 modles now second hand must be dropping on price to 8/9k retail
7k trade in for garages but now after market warrenty company's won't want to touch them with a barge pole for the potential cost of rebuilds
Also garages will have To put a big mark up on them to cover any issues making them not price competitive and will be reluctant to take them in on px on tight deals and margins
,
Intersting in one of the motoring magazine Subaru have had I think the third biggest decrease in sales in the last few years
12 May 2014, 09:23 AM
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I would imagine many people have spent 4-5k on a car engine been rebuilt
The 2.5 engine 2008 modles now second hand must be dropping on price to 8/9k retail
7k trade in for garages but now after market warrenty company's won't want to touch them with a barge pole for the potential cost of rebuilds
Also garages will have To put a big mark up on them to cover any issues making them not price competitive and will be reluctant to take them in on px on tight deals and margins
,
Intersting in one of the motoring magazine Subaru have had I think the third biggest decrease in sales in the last few years
The 2.5 engine 2008 modles now second hand must be dropping on price to 8/9k retail
7k trade in for garages but now after market warrenty company's won't want to touch them with a barge pole for the potential cost of rebuilds
Also garages will have To put a big mark up on them to cover any issues making them not price competitive and will be reluctant to take them in on px on tight deals and margins
,
Intersting in one of the motoring magazine Subaru have had I think the third biggest decrease in sales in the last few years
8 weeks and counting for me yehaaaa.Great Post F1 bang on the nail.
Im monitoring Iwisti for the first 2015 popper
12 May 2014, 09:43 AM
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My early retirement is costing more then I thought at the moment
Might have to go back to work soon as I don't want to make the gardiners redundant and the misses is complaining about the spare room in the west Wing of her wardrobe not renewed weekly
Oh yes once the new engine goes pop this thread could NE one of the biggest on scoobynet
Gives us something to talk about anyway
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are you ****ing kidding me, they let you back on here. bollocks to this, people like you on here then im out. waste of space
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