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23 October 2013, 08:59 PM
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It's a serious question though. Many people on here love to trot our how more ethnic minorities are in prison yet they never express why they think that is! So I was wondering what you thought might be the reason for the fact you stated?
Maybe they like the Halal food in prison.
23 October 2013, 09:45 PM
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The answer is simple. Ethincs commit more crimes as a % of population than any other.
23 October 2013, 09:54 PM
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Crime tends to be perpetrated within the same socio economic group
Young black males are responsible for most street crimes, but young black males are at most risk of being victims of street crime!!!
People living on sink estates are burgled by people living on the same estates
So in Essence the poor steal from the poor
I suspect the ethnic minorities are over represented amongst the poor
Young black males are responsible for most street crimes, but young black males are at most risk of being victims of street crime!!!
People living on sink estates are burgled by people living on the same estates
So in Essence the poor steal from the poor
I suspect the ethnic minorities are over represented amongst the poor
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23 October 2013, 10:14 PM
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Crime tends to be perpetrated with the same socio economic group
Young black males are responsible for most street crimes, but young black males are at most risk of being victims of street crime!!!
People living on sink estates are burgled by people living on the same estates
So in Essence the poor steal from the poor
I suspect the ethnic minorities are over represented amongst the poor
Young black males are responsible for most street crimes, but young black males are at most risk of being victims of street crime!!!
People living on sink estates are burgled by people living on the same estates
So in Essence the poor steal from the poor
I suspect the ethnic minorities are over represented amongst the poor
But that's probably because the Mansfield/Sutton-in-Ashfield area is the most racist place I've ever set foot. I don't recall ever seeing anyone from any other race setting foot outside of the related take-away premises, and I don't blame them for it. I'd hate to live in an area where the local indigenous population should have been exstinct before the Neanderthals. Maybe these minorities didn't commit crime in that area, or they weren't stupid enough to get caught.
23 October 2013, 10:19 PM
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During my time as a response officer, I only arrested white people. Admittedly, they were mainly poor, but white people nonetheless. I never attended a job where the perpetrator was any race but white.
But that's probably because the Mansfield/Sutton-in-Ashfield area is the most racist place I've ever set foot. I don't recall ever seeing anyone from any other race setting foot outside of the related take-away premises, and I don't blame them for it. I'd hate to live in an area where the local indigenous population should have been exstinct before the Neanderthals. Maybe these minorities didn't commit crime in that area, or they weren't stupid enough to get caught.
But that's probably because the Mansfield/Sutton-in-Ashfield area is the most racist place I've ever set foot. I don't recall ever seeing anyone from any other race setting foot outside of the related take-away premises, and I don't blame them for it. I'd hate to live in an area where the local indigenous population should have been exstinct before the Neanderthals. Maybe these minorities didn't commit crime in that area, or they weren't stupid enough to get caught.
23 October 2013, 10:27 PM
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it won't sell papers but that is the simple fact
23 October 2013, 10:37 PM
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I think it is likely to be due to a higher representation of that demographic (as a %) being poorly educated and predisposed to a criminal taste in music. AKA Rap.
Having said that, I know many people with little or no educational achievements who have made extremely successful lives for themselves.
I honestly think it comes down to attitude.
I employ several people who could be regarded as poorly qualified in the classical sense but they have a great attitude and are prepared to do a days work.
Sadly, the "Celebrity Society" of Hennessy and Cadillacs and raping "Hoes" has affected too many bewildered and lost youth.
Bring back National Service.
Having said that, I know many people with little or no educational achievements who have made extremely successful lives for themselves.
I honestly think it comes down to attitude.
I employ several people who could be regarded as poorly qualified in the classical sense but they have a great attitude and are prepared to do a days work.
Sadly, the "Celebrity Society" of Hennessy and Cadillacs and raping "Hoes" has affected too many bewildered and lost youth.
Bring back National Service.
23 October 2013, 11:02 PM
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I can think of many excuses I heard as to why people committed crimes. Drugs, poverty, gangs/peer pressure, contracting HIV, ignorance to having committed an offence, love/hate, boredom, Facebook.... The list was pretty much endless.
I will not argue that the scum steal from the scum. But you'll find that the scum will also steal from the better off. The better off folk generally won't go and burgle some dole bludgers on a sink estate. These 'intelligent', well off people are more likely to be involved in white collar crimes, such as fraud. Money, (so called) intelligence but criminals nonetheless. Just look at Vicki Pryce and Chris Huhne, both loaded, both thought to be intelligent, but both got sent down - and that did sell papers.
24 October 2013, 07:02 AM
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There's a whole argument whether turning to crime is due to nature or nurture.
I can think of many excuses I heard as to why people committed crimes. Drugs, poverty, gangs/peer pressure, contracting HIV, ignorance to having committed an offence, love/hate, boredom, Facebook.... The list was pretty much endless.
I will not argue that the scum steal from the scum. But you'll find that the scum will also steal from the better off. The better off folk generally won't go and burgle some dole bludgers on a sink estate. These 'intelligent', well off people are more likely to be involved in white collar crimes, such as fraud. Money, (so called) intelligence but criminals nonetheless. Just look at Vicki Pryce and Chris Huhne, both loaded, both thought to be intelligent, but both got sent down - and that did sell papers.
I can think of many excuses I heard as to why people committed crimes. Drugs, poverty, gangs/peer pressure, contracting HIV, ignorance to having committed an offence, love/hate, boredom, Facebook.... The list was pretty much endless.
I will not argue that the scum steal from the scum. But you'll find that the scum will also steal from the better off. The better off folk generally won't go and burgle some dole bludgers on a sink estate. These 'intelligent', well off people are more likely to be involved in white collar crimes, such as fraud. Money, (so called) intelligence but criminals nonetheless. Just look at Vicki Pryce and Chris Huhne, both loaded, both thought to be intelligent, but both got sent down - and that did sell papers.
and yes, I did not bother to point it out but the "rich" steal from the rich usually through fraud etc (they would not bother with the poor as they have no money)
24 October 2013, 10:30 AM
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We need immigration, I was seen yesterday by an excellent Indian Doctor, he was young and wanted his bosses opinion, not sure of her ethnicity but she obviously had some oriental heritage.
I think we, as a country need to forget Ethnicity and focus on worth, I don't give a toss where someone is from, I go to London and see all the people doing the low end jobs, usually African, every hotel reception is staffed by girls from Eastern Europe, every Taxi I seen to ride in is driven by an Asian chap. The key thing here is they are working, and contributing in some way.
Of course as a small island, with finite resources we need to control the numbers of people here, not due to race, due to common sense and to acknowledge we cant look after the people we have as well as we should.
There should be, and I think it is happening, more focus on contribution, those taking from society should be penalised harshly, those relying on handouts should be helped until the point they stop trying and nobody should be at home sat on their ***** during the day (unless like me today who is on a day off). The something for nothing culture needs seriously reigning in, X Factor, crash for cash, footballers wages, gambling, claims management, payday loans and all that, I have Sky on and it is all about, in the ads, getting money, perhaps more publicity to getting a job !
I think we, as a country need to forget Ethnicity and focus on worth, I don't give a toss where someone is from, I go to London and see all the people doing the low end jobs, usually African, every hotel reception is staffed by girls from Eastern Europe, every Taxi I seen to ride in is driven by an Asian chap. The key thing here is they are working, and contributing in some way.
Of course as a small island, with finite resources we need to control the numbers of people here, not due to race, due to common sense and to acknowledge we cant look after the people we have as well as we should.
There should be, and I think it is happening, more focus on contribution, those taking from society should be penalised harshly, those relying on handouts should be helped until the point they stop trying and nobody should be at home sat on their ***** during the day (unless like me today who is on a day off). The something for nothing culture needs seriously reigning in, X Factor, crash for cash, footballers wages, gambling, claims management, payday loans and all that, I have Sky on and it is all about, in the ads, getting money, perhaps more publicity to getting a job !
25 October 2013, 02:33 PM
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We need immigration, I was seen yesterday by an excellent Indian Doctor, he was young and wanted his bosses opinion, not sure of her ethnicity but she obviously had some oriental heritage.
I think we, as a country need to forget Ethnicity and focus on worth, I don't give a toss where someone is from, I go to London and see all the people doing the low end jobs, usually African, every hotel reception is staffed by girls from Eastern Europe, every Taxi I seen to ride in is driven by an Asian chap. The key thing here is they are working, and contributing in some way.
Of course as a small island, with finite resources we need to control the numbers of people here, not due to race, due to common sense and to acknowledge we cant look after the people we have as well as we should.
There should be, and I think it is happening, more focus on contribution, those taking from society should be penalised harshly, those relying on handouts should be helped until the point they stop trying and nobody should be at home sat on their ***** during the day (unless like me today who is on a day off). The something for nothing culture needs seriously reigning in, X Factor, crash for cash, footballers wages, gambling, claims management, payday loans and all that, I have Sky on and it is all about, in the ads, getting money, perhaps more publicity to getting a job !
I think we, as a country need to forget Ethnicity and focus on worth, I don't give a toss where someone is from, I go to London and see all the people doing the low end jobs, usually African, every hotel reception is staffed by girls from Eastern Europe, every Taxi I seen to ride in is driven by an Asian chap. The key thing here is they are working, and contributing in some way.
Of course as a small island, with finite resources we need to control the numbers of people here, not due to race, due to common sense and to acknowledge we cant look after the people we have as well as we should.
There should be, and I think it is happening, more focus on contribution, those taking from society should be penalised harshly, those relying on handouts should be helped until the point they stop trying and nobody should be at home sat on their ***** during the day (unless like me today who is on a day off). The something for nothing culture needs seriously reigning in, X Factor, crash for cash, footballers wages, gambling, claims management, payday loans and all that, I have Sky on and it is all about, in the ads, getting money, perhaps more publicity to getting a job !
25 October 2013, 03:21 PM
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I think it is likely to be due to a higher representation of that demographic (as a %) being poorly educated and predisposed to a criminal taste in music. AKA Rap.
Having said that, I know many people with little or no educational achievements who have made extremely successful lives for themselves.
I honestly think it comes down to attitude.
I employ several people who could be regarded as poorly qualified in the classical sense but they have a great attitude and are prepared to do a days work.
Sadly, the "Celebrity Society" of Hennessy and Cadillacs and raping "Hoes" has affected too many bewildered and lost youth.
Bring back National Service.
Having said that, I know many people with little or no educational achievements who have made extremely successful lives for themselves.
I honestly think it comes down to attitude.
I employ several people who could be regarded as poorly qualified in the classical sense but they have a great attitude and are prepared to do a days work.
Sadly, the "Celebrity Society" of Hennessy and Cadillacs and raping "Hoes" has affected too many bewildered and lost youth.
Bring back National Service.
I've grown up listening to rap (the good early stuff
)Hasn't made me into a criminal
25 October 2013, 10:39 PM
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If they are a fiscal drain then how are they being exploited or how is wealth flowing upwards??
If they are a 'fiscal drain' it is implied that money is flowing towards them.
The 'wealthy/rich' are paying for them to have free healthcare, free education for their children, subsidies for council tax etc.
I've read somewhere it costs the state about £10k per year per child for schooling. A family with three kids would have a bill of £30k per year. How many low paid workers or even so called middle classes pay that much tax?
So the wealthy are bank rolling the lower and middle earners to enjoy a free education and health service
If they are a 'fiscal drain' it is implied that money is flowing towards them.
The 'wealthy/rich' are paying for them to have free healthcare, free education for their children, subsidies for council tax etc.
I've read somewhere it costs the state about £10k per year per child for schooling. A family with three kids would have a bill of £30k per year. How many low paid workers or even so called middle classes pay that much tax?
So the wealthy are bank rolling the lower and middle earners to enjoy a free education and health service
Capitalism is no different than previous epoch in that the many labour to serve the wealthy few (owners). Let's be realistic.
An island of rich people with loads of money and no labour would starve.
You are confusing money with wealth. Wealth is goods and services produced by labour.
30 October 2013, 05:34 PM
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I met people from all over the world in my job and always got along very well with them on the whole. I found that part of the job very enjoyable.
The one point I will make however is that we are a small and pretty crowded country and there is only so much room before we fall off the edge metaphorically speaking and that sort of situation will generate a great deal of social pressure which won't do anyone any good!
Les
The one point I will make however is that we are a small and pretty crowded country and there is only so much room before we fall off the edge metaphorically speaking and that sort of situation will generate a great deal of social pressure which won't do anyone any good!
Les
30 October 2013, 08:22 PM
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We can only pay so many lazy **** spongers on the dole if we have enough people supporting the country with their earnings/taxes. Swings and Roundabouts.
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