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18 October 2013, 02:52 PM
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Immigration .....
Been reading in the press about this subject,is it really out of control?.
Should our borders be closed?
Are immigrants a threat to traditional British society?
Will thousands of Bulgarians really come over in January?
Have the government got the powers to stop this or are we being controlled by the E.U?
Whats your view ...........
Should our borders be closed?
Are immigrants a threat to traditional British society?
Will thousands of Bulgarians really come over in January?
Have the government got the powers to stop this or are we being controlled by the E.U?
Whats your view ...........
18 October 2013, 04:14 PM
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My opinion is that there's a lot of scare mongering about in the press about 'evil immigrants'.
I don't see immigrants as an issue (I'm one myself). I don't think I'm a drain on society, I don't claim/receive _any_ benefits, and neither do my kids or my Mrs. All I seem to be doing is paying a shed load of tax, and in my 12 years I've been to my GP's about 10 times, of which most were to register with a new GP when I moved.
I don't see immigrants as an issue (I'm one myself). I don't think I'm a drain on society, I don't claim/receive _any_ benefits, and neither do my kids or my Mrs. All I seem to be doing is paying a shed load of tax, and in my 12 years I've been to my GP's about 10 times, of which most were to register with a new GP when I moved.
18 October 2013, 04:14 PM
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I belive this country needs to stop...
Close the borders and concentrate on the people that are here. Sort out the born & bread brits, sort out the illegals and process those waiting the appeals etc.
Then sort sort out the jobs, nhs and government spending. Only once the finanaces are back on track then they should reopen them.
The above would never happen as there would be someone in afgan or iran going through the euro courts to force their way in.
Close the borders and concentrate on the people that are here. Sort out the born & bread brits, sort out the illegals and process those waiting the appeals etc.
Then sort sort out the jobs, nhs and government spending. Only once the finanaces are back on track then they should reopen them.
The above would never happen as there would be someone in afgan or iran going through the euro courts to force their way in.
18 October 2013, 04:41 PM
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18 October 2013, 04:47 PM
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Some immigrants are scum, most are not and some people on benefits are lazy workshy scroungers, most are not just as some homegrown white people are scum, yet most are not.
It's a pity that more people don't realise how the media controls and forms their opinions when their main agenda is to sell papers and pull in viewing figures which most of them achieve by being sensationalist and very economical with the truth!
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18 October 2013, 05:12 PM
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Most immigrants I know are hard workers. Doing jobs, often several, that most Brits would refuse to do. My sister in law (a Brazilian here legally) has two jobs, she works in a school serving dinner to kids and then goes home to work as a hairdresser. She pays her taxes and is just as riled about the situation as the rest of us!
18 October 2013, 05:18 PM
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It already has/is! The problem is the press/media and the government to some extent have demonised certain sections of society and now they are all tarred with the same brush by those not bright enough to realise when they are being manipulated.
Some immigrants are scum, most are not and some people on benefits are lazy workshy scroungers, most are not just as some homegrown white people are scum, yet most are not.
It's a pity that more people don't realise how the media controls and forms their opinions when their main agenda is to sell papers and pull in viewing figures which most of them achieve by being sensationalist and very economical with the truth!
Some immigrants are scum, most are not and some people on benefits are lazy workshy scroungers, most are not just as some homegrown white people are scum, yet most are not.
It's a pity that more people don't realise how the media controls and forms their opinions when their main agenda is to sell papers and pull in viewing figures which most of them achieve by being sensationalist and very economical with the truth!
18 October 2013, 05:30 PM
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Sadly, it's not just the scum that are the problem.
There is now a huge strain on education, healthcare etc in certain areas of the UK. NO extra money has been given to schools to cope with an influx of immigrant children with NO English. And the schools receiving them aren't happy because they drag down the results. Which means that school falls down the stupid league tables.
Meanwhile, at home in Scunny, around half the car-crime, (speeding, no tax, no insurance etc etc, is now committed by Eastern European Immigrants.
Bulgaria? Romania?
Of COURSE they will come, in their droves.
And this government can do NOT ONE THING to stop them.
Why?????????
Because Lying Labour opened the floodgates to everyone else first time round, so we CANNOT now treat these EC nationals any differently, or we are DISCRIMINATING...and that, my friends, ain't allowed.
Batten down the hatches. If you think any of the present Eastern European migrants have been bad, hold on...you ain't seen nothin' yet!
There is now a huge strain on education, healthcare etc in certain areas of the UK. NO extra money has been given to schools to cope with an influx of immigrant children with NO English. And the schools receiving them aren't happy because they drag down the results. Which means that school falls down the stupid league tables.
Meanwhile, at home in Scunny, around half the car-crime, (speeding, no tax, no insurance etc etc, is now committed by Eastern European Immigrants.
Bulgaria? Romania?
Of COURSE they will come, in their droves.
And this government can do NOT ONE THING to stop them.
Why?????????
Because Lying Labour opened the floodgates to everyone else first time round, so we CANNOT now treat these EC nationals any differently, or we are DISCRIMINATING...and that, my friends, ain't allowed.
Batten down the hatches. If you think any of the present Eastern European migrants have been bad, hold on...you ain't seen nothin' yet!
18 October 2013, 05:39 PM
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Sadly, it's not just the scum that are the problem.
There is now a huge strain on education, healthcare etc in certain areas of the UK. NO extra money has been given to schools to cope with an influx of immigrant children with NO English. And the schools receiving them aren't happy because they drag down the results. Which means that school falls down the stupid league tables.
Meanwhile, at home in Scunny, around half the car-crime, (speeding, no tax, no insurance etc etc, is now committed by Eastern European Immigrants.
Bulgaria? Romania?
Of COURSE they will come, in their droves.
And this government can do NOT ONE THING to stop them.
Why?????????
Because Lying Labour opened the floodgates to everyone else first time round, so we CANNOT now treat these EC nationals any differently, or we are DISCRIMINATING...and that, my friends, ain't allowed.
Batten down the hatches. If you think any of the present Eastern European migrants have been bad, hold on...you ain't seen nothin' yet!
There is now a huge strain on education, healthcare etc in certain areas of the UK. NO extra money has been given to schools to cope with an influx of immigrant children with NO English. And the schools receiving them aren't happy because they drag down the results. Which means that school falls down the stupid league tables.
Meanwhile, at home in Scunny, around half the car-crime, (speeding, no tax, no insurance etc etc, is now committed by Eastern European Immigrants.
Bulgaria? Romania?
Of COURSE they will come, in their droves.
And this government can do NOT ONE THING to stop them.
Why?????????
Because Lying Labour opened the floodgates to everyone else first time round, so we CANNOT now treat these EC nationals any differently, or we are DISCRIMINATING...and that, my friends, ain't allowed.
Batten down the hatches. If you think any of the present Eastern European migrants have been bad, hold on...you ain't seen nothin' yet!
18 October 2013, 05:42 PM
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Alcazar, thats very pesimistic, if only 50% of the car crime in scunny is immigrants then 50% of it is home grown talent. Which is worse IMO.
I find the immigrant children speak better English than our bunch of "Innit" generation. Lets stop being small minded and just realise everybody is human - we are all entitled to stand on a piece of soil on this earth IMO.
Go somewhere on this planet thats not the UK, cycle around and stop somewhere for a quiet drink and pitch a tent, lots of people in these European countries would invite you back for somewhere to sleep and feed you. When was the last time you saw a Brit do that to some strange foreigner on our soil? Christ, being British I could knock on a farmers door in the UK and ask if I can pitch a tent for the evening and Id probably be told to fek off. These 'orrible immigrants would probably say no, come in and sit by the fireplace.... Little Englanders are whats ruining this damn nation.
I find the immigrant children speak better English than our bunch of "Innit" generation. Lets stop being small minded and just realise everybody is human - we are all entitled to stand on a piece of soil on this earth IMO.
Go somewhere on this planet thats not the UK, cycle around and stop somewhere for a quiet drink and pitch a tent, lots of people in these European countries would invite you back for somewhere to sleep and feed you. When was the last time you saw a Brit do that to some strange foreigner on our soil? Christ, being British I could knock on a farmers door in the UK and ask if I can pitch a tent for the evening and Id probably be told to fek off. These 'orrible immigrants would probably say no, come in and sit by the fireplace.... Little Englanders are whats ruining this damn nation.
18 October 2013, 05:43 PM
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18 October 2013, 05:46 PM
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What are we protecting it from Dirk? Bloody nuts. Enjoy your holiday in Spain walking around like you own the place in just a pair of shorts and flip flops whilst not speaking a word of Spanish.... We are the worse fekking hypocrites in the world.
18 October 2013, 05:50 PM
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P.s. i dont holiday in spain its a bit rough for my liking i tend to holiday in the U.K.
18 October 2013, 05:53 PM
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And as such, they are dropping below the UK standrads and drag the school down with them.
The rest of that part is socialist claptrap.
When he awoke he was in a ditch, forty miles from where he had started out, naked, as was his wife, all their belongings gone, even their wedding rings, and he had a sore @rse, she had both a sore @rse and a sore f@anny.
When was the last time you saw a Brit do that to some strange foreigner on our soil? Christ, being British I could knock on a farmers door in the UK and ask if I can pitch a tent for the evening and Id probably be told to fek off. These 'orrible immigrants would probably say no, come in and sit by the fireplace.... Little Englanders are whats ruining this damn nation.
I would suggest you need a reality check, my friend.
18 October 2013, 05:58 PM
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The Eastern Europeans coming in had, and have, NO ENGLISH! What part of that have you failed to understand?
And as such, they are dropping below the UK standrads and drag the school down with them.
The rest of that part is socialist claptrap.
Yes, happened to my mate and his wife, in Turkey.
When he awoke he was in a ditch, forty miles from where he had started out, naked, as was his wife, all their belongings gone, even their wedding rings, and he had a sore @rse, she had both a sore @rse and a sore f@anny.
More socialist claptrap.
I would suggest you need a reality check, my friend.
And as such, they are dropping below the UK standrads and drag the school down with them.
The rest of that part is socialist claptrap.
Yes, happened to my mate and his wife, in Turkey.
When he awoke he was in a ditch, forty miles from where he had started out, naked, as was his wife, all their belongings gone, even their wedding rings, and he had a sore @rse, she had both a sore @rse and a sore f@anny.
More socialist claptrap.
I would suggest you need a reality check, my friend.
LMAO, small minded bull**** Im afraid Al. Did I see you on that program set in Scunny recently? Seems life is just permanently **** for you, does it follow you or do you actually look for it so you have something to moan about?
18 October 2013, 06:00 PM
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A firm I worked for had to import 3 Czech welders because there were none in the UK. An absolutely disgraceful situation.
18 October 2013, 06:10 PM
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[quote=davegtt;11239676]Hang on a minute, I currently live witha Polish chap, hes the second Ive rented a spare room out too, both are quality people and long time friends. Along with lots of others I know. No trouble on Tuesday watching football with a group of English and them when the football was on. Just normal life.
I wasn't talking about poles whom i have worked with in the past and are hard workers,i'm talking about Romanians and Bulgarians who will be coming next year....
I wasn't talking about poles whom i have worked with in the past and are hard workers,i'm talking about Romanians and Bulgarians who will be coming next year....
18 October 2013, 07:31 PM
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Just been talking to one of the hotel workers here in sunny Florida, nice enough chap, origionally from china, he's been in the US for nine years
He said 'he' will be coming to the UK because now 'he' is getting older 'he' wants to take advantage of the 'free' health care in the UK.
He said 'he' will be coming to the UK because now 'he' is getting older 'he' wants to take advantage of the 'free' health care in the UK.
18 October 2013, 07:34 PM
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It already has/is! The problem is the press/media and the government to some extent have demonised certain sections of society and now they are all tarred with the same brush by those not bright enough to realise when they are being manipulated.
Some immigrants are scum, most are not and some people on benefits are lazy workshy scroungers, most are not just as some homegrown white people are scum, yet most are not.
It's a pity that more people don't realise how the media controls and forms their opinions when their main agenda is to sell papers and pull in viewing figures which most of them achieve by being sensationalist and very economical with the truth!
Some immigrants are scum, most are not and some people on benefits are lazy workshy scroungers, most are not just as some homegrown white people are scum, yet most are not.
It's a pity that more people don't realise how the media controls and forms their opinions when their main agenda is to sell papers and pull in viewing figures which most of them achieve by being sensationalist and very economical with the truth!
The nut jobs might demonise the immigrants as benefit cheats, criminals etc etc.
Lets forget about them for a moment because hopefully we all know how stupid they are. Yes some immigrants are benefit cheats etc but anybody with half a brain knows that the actual number is small.
Most of the 'new age' immigrants I know work really hard, holding down numerous jobs and grafting in a way that I respect.
However there is a sensible, balanced discussion to be had about what the effect of this immigration is even if the vast majority are hard working.
I see two sides to it. On one hand for example the tenants in one of my properties are all Bulgarians. They all graft really hard, are honest, never miss the rent and I've never had a property that's been kept so clean. As the icing on the cake the girls are all fit
Many of my friends have similar experiences of their new age immigrant tenants.
Similarly the builders who work for me regularly are all new age immigrants. All really polite, punctual, flexible and hardworking. They don't spend half the day smoking **** and drinking tea
But then I see the other side. At my hospital sometimes over half my patients over the course of the day are new age immigrants. As are many other hospitals mine is struggling with finances, teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Many staff who have worked there for over thirty years are having their wages drastically reduced.
I'm sure if I were a teacher in the same locality I might see the same when it came to school places/demand.
So where does the balance lie? Even if the immigrants are honest and hardworking does what they contribute neutralise what they consume?
Healthcare, education etc is expensive, do the immigrants contribute enough to make the relationship symbiotic?
Think about how much it must cost to send a family of three kids to school and provide their healthcare needs. Would a 'typical' new age immigrant family on £20-£30k a year actually contribute enough in taxes to make the maths work?
I don't know the answer, but a part of me is very doubtful.
18 October 2013, 07:59 PM
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Being another "evil immigrant" 
theres a lot of sense what has been said and some sanctions should be made... Smtn like in Australia? People need to realize it's not only in Uk this is happening it's in the whole wide world.. Literally everywhere. For some reason the UK moans the most believing it's all "their" fault not seeing their own .... The nationalities shouldn't be mentioned although i do agree theres less educated people form Romania , Bulgaria coming to UK nowadays... I always tend to have one rule when dealing with people. Your origin or colour has nothing to do about the way you are as a person . There's good and bad in every nationality. I'm glad that some folks on here actually admit that. I came to Uk 10 years ago , speaking 4 languages and having a degree in Uni... oh well , who am i to listen , they're all the "same" immigrants.
theres a lot of sense what has been said and some sanctions should be made... Smtn like in Australia? People need to realize it's not only in Uk this is happening it's in the whole wide world.. Literally everywhere. For some reason the UK moans the most believing it's all "their" fault not seeing their own .... The nationalities shouldn't be mentioned although i do agree theres less educated people form Romania , Bulgaria coming to UK nowadays... I always tend to have one rule when dealing with people. Your origin or colour has nothing to do about the way you are as a person . There's good and bad in every nationality. I'm glad that some folks on here actually admit that. I came to Uk 10 years ago , speaking 4 languages and having a degree in Uni... oh well , who am i to listen , they're all the "same" immigrants.
18 October 2013, 11:06 PM
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I don't need immigrants personally. Lots of the economy is a zero sum game anyway, things like land for example. Every immigrant needs a place to live and is another mouth to feed. Diversity also lowers levels of trust in society makes people more on guard and lonely. Things like white flight are very real, despite everyone ostensively being pro multi cultural.
18 October 2013, 11:52 PM
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Let's talk about the other side of this immigration 'problem'.
In my team (Modelling and Analytics) we have...
2 Lithuainians
1 Ukrainian
1 Russian
1 Czech
1 South African
1 Mauritian
1 German
8 English
We hire high quality skilled individuals, with Maths and Stats backgrounds. If we 'closed the boarders' we would have a significant problem.
My sector is not unique in this.
My experience is that people coming here do it because they can work hard and progress, and mostly they do.
In my team (Modelling and Analytics) we have...
2 Lithuainians
1 Ukrainian
1 Russian
1 Czech
1 South African
1 Mauritian
1 German
8 English
We hire high quality skilled individuals, with Maths and Stats backgrounds. If we 'closed the boarders' we would have a significant problem.
My sector is not unique in this.
My experience is that people coming here do it because they can work hard and progress, and mostly they do.
19 October 2013, 12:15 AM
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Let's talk about the other side of this immigration 'problem'.
In my team (Modelling and Analytics) we have...
2 Lithuainians
1 Ukrainian
1 Russian
1 Czech
1 South African
1 Mauritian
1 German
8 English
We hire high quality skilled individuals, with Maths and Stats backgrounds. If we 'closed the boarders' we would have a significant problem.
My sector is not unique in this.
My experience is that people coming here do it because they can work hard and progress, and mostly they do.
In my team (Modelling and Analytics) we have...
2 Lithuainians
1 Ukrainian
1 Russian
1 Czech
1 South African
1 Mauritian
1 German
8 English
We hire high quality skilled individuals, with Maths and Stats backgrounds. If we 'closed the boarders' we would have a significant problem.
My sector is not unique in this.
My experience is that people coming here do it because they can work hard and progress, and mostly they do.