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21 October 2013, 09:39 AM
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If they are a fiscal drain then how are they being exploited or how is wealth flowing upwards??
If they are a 'fiscal drain' it is implied that money is flowing towards them.
The 'wealthy/rich' are paying for them to have free healthcare, free education for their children, subsidies for council tax etc.
I've read somewhere it costs the state about £10k per year per child for schooling. A family with three kids would have a bill of £30k per year. How many low paid workers or even so called middle classes pay that much tax?
So the wealthy are bank rolling the lower and middle earners to enjoy a free education and health service
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21 October 2013, 10:25 AM
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I've revised what I think this country need to do and it's this:
Anyone who wants to live in this country should do a minimum of 2yrs service in the Army. Even if it's washing the trucks or making clothing.
I also think that EVERY 16-18yr old should do militry service like they did way before I was a sperm.
I however did do 4yrs in the Army cadets and lover every second. Except the bit where some guy was shouting down at my face. Spit everywhere. I just wanted to cry and go to my dad
Anyone who wants to live in this country should do a minimum of 2yrs service in the Army. Even if it's washing the trucks or making clothing.
I also think that EVERY 16-18yr old should do militry service like they did way before I was a sperm.
I however did do 4yrs in the Army cadets and lover every second. Except the bit where some guy was shouting down at my face. Spit everywhere. I just wanted to cry and go to my dad
21 October 2013, 07:41 PM
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21 October 2013, 07:44 PM
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21 October 2013, 08:11 PM
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21 October 2013, 08:14 PM
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I wasnt saying really at the news, I was saying really at your attitude of "we aint seen nothing yet"
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21 October 2013, 08:42 PM
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21 October 2013, 08:51 PM
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Well this chap came here with the intent on terrorising Muslims in the UK, the last thing we need is immigrants coming to the UK to settle old scores or commit atrocities like this example.
21 October 2013, 11:28 PM
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22 October 2013, 06:34 AM
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On news today: Health tourists cost NHS £2 billion a year.
Hmmm
As I said earlier, a proportion benefits relative to your tax earnings is the only way. Or sod it and just privatise it!!
Well maybe not that far but at least put in charges for non emergency treatment (for both immigrants and uk citizens).
Hmmm
As I said earlier, a proportion benefits relative to your tax earnings is the only way. Or sod it and just privatise it!!
Well maybe not that far but at least put in charges for non emergency treatment (for both immigrants and uk citizens).
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22 October 2013, 07:02 AM
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On news today: Health tourists cost NHS £2 billion a year.
Hmmm
As I said earlier, a proportion benefits relative to your tax earnings is the only way. Or sod it and just privatise it!!
Well maybe not that far but at least put in charges for non emergency treatment (for both immigrants and uk citizens).
Hmmm
As I said earlier, a proportion benefits relative to your tax earnings is the only way. Or sod it and just privatise it!!
Well maybe not that far but at least put in charges for non emergency treatment (for both immigrants and uk citizens).
Really? The BBC article has it at 70-300 million.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24616801 :
Meanwhile, health tourism - whereby people deliberately travel to the UK to get NHS care - is estimated to cost between £70m and £300m.
22 October 2013, 07:03 AM
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The minute the "P" word is mentioned in conjunction with the NHS people start to become highly emotive. I would like to see some kind of reasoned, public debate on what the real issues are and what the potential impacts would be if either a full or limited privatisation were to take place. Elective treatments are often cited as examples of drains on the system so these might be a starting point but then what one person considers elective is not the same as another...
22 October 2013, 07:43 AM
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While it's no doubt a lot of money it's not that much compared to the £5billion a year lost to large corporations dodging paying UK tax or the £5billion a year in lost VAT/duty to the tobacco, alcohol and diesel black markets!
That said the press love a good 'beat the immigrants' story so let's focus on 'health tourism'... all the better if they can angle it more towarsds Muslims!
22 October 2013, 06:55 PM
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Yes you would have loved it if it had of been a home grown nut job, particularly a white home grown nut job on benefit.
22 October 2013, 06:57 PM
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22 October 2013, 07:13 PM
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The minute the "P" word is mentioned in conjunction with the NHS people start to become highly emotive. I would like to see some kind of reasoned, public debate on what the real issues are and what the potential impacts would be if either a full or limited privatisation were to take place. Elective treatments are often cited as examples of drains on the system so these might be a starting point but then what one person considers elective is not the same as another...
22 October 2013, 07:37 PM
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At 30 June 2012, the latest published data, over one-quarter of the prison population whose ethnicity was recorded were from a minority ethnic group. Among British nationals 21% of the population were from a minority ethnic group. 62% of foreign national prisoners were from a minority ethnic group.
22 October 2013, 07:40 PM
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The tabloid press do have a lot to answer for when it comes to stirring up problems .
I personally believe there is a problem within the E.U. regarding immigration, which makes it harder for the government to control.
I personally believe there is a problem within the E.U. regarding immigration, which makes it harder for the government to control.
22 October 2013, 07:58 PM
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No the problem is our government who don't seem to be able to interpret EU legislation to our benefit like other EU member states can.
22 October 2013, 08:00 PM
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22 October 2013, 08:01 PM
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At 30 June 2012, the latest published data, over one-quarter of the prison population whose ethnicity was recorded were from a minority ethnic group. Among British nationals 21% of the population were from a minority ethnic group. 62% of foreign national prisoners were from a minority ethnic group.
22 October 2013, 08:30 PM
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I'd be very careful using that quote. I have bolded and underlined the clever bit for you
At 30 June 2012, the latest published data, over one-quarter of the prison population whose ethnicity was recorded were from a minority ethnic group. Among British nationals 21% of the population were from a minority ethnic group. 62% of foreign national prisoners were from a minority ethnic group.
At 30 June 2012, the latest published data, over one-quarter of the prison population whose ethnicity was recorded were from a minority ethnic group. Among British nationals 21% of the population were from a minority ethnic group. 62% of foreign national prisoners were from a minority ethnic group.
Originally Posted by INSTITUTE OF RACE RELATIONS
Prison
BME groups are significantly over-represented in the prison system, with over 25 per cent of the overall prison population from a BME background. In 2011, Black or Black British people made up 13.4 per cent of the prison population. Asian or Asian British people made up 7.4 per cent of the prison population. White British people made up 74.3 per cent of the prison population.[3]
BME groups are significantly over-represented in the prison system, with over 25 per cent of the overall prison population from a BME background. In 2011, Black or Black British people made up 13.4 per cent of the prison population. Asian or Asian British people made up 7.4 per cent of the prison population. White British people made up 74.3 per cent of the prison population.[3]
22 October 2013, 09:09 PM
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It's a fact that they are over represented yes, but your earlier quote makes it sound a lot worse than it is for the reason I pointed out.
So for instance 13% of the prison population is Muslim yet only 4% of the UK population is Muslim, what's your conclusion as to why that is?
So for instance 13% of the prison population is Muslim yet only 4% of the UK population is Muslim, what's your conclusion as to why that is?
22 October 2013, 09:14 PM
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I'm interested to see this programme next Monday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ghfyp
Hoping the BBC does an impartial view...
Hoping the BBC does an impartial view...
22 October 2013, 09:57 PM
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I'm interested to see this programme next Monday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ghfyp
Hoping the BBC does an impartial view...
Hoping the BBC does an impartial view...
Maybe they like the Halal food in prison.