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Old Jun 1, 2013 | 09:04 PM
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At the shallow end of the spectrum, I downloaded The Bourne Legacy (load of **** btw!) last night. All my ISP knows is that 750mb of data arrived at my computer from dozens of different sources around the globe.....it has no idea the content of that data or exactly where it came from.
There is no way that could have been stopped. Sure, they can find wherever The Pirate Bay is being hosted and shut down the servers, but that wont stop anything mainly because the films etc are not there, they are distributed in small chunks around the world on individual computer, besides it will just pop up somewhere else within a couple of days anyway.
To say it is untracable is not true - in the case of bittorrent there is nothing stopping an ISP/police from themselves being a peer/host of an illegal file and knowing the IP address of any peers downloading from you, pretty sure this is how they obtain details of people who have conducted illegal torrent file sharing and brought cases against them.
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Old Jun 1, 2013 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
To say it is untracable is not true - in the case of bittorrent there is nothing stopping an ISP/police from themselves being a peer/host of an illegal file and knowing the IP address of any peers downloading from you, pretty sure this is how they obtain details of people who have conducted illegal torrent file sharing and brought cases against them.
If you plan on breaking the law, it pays to do a little research into ways of reducing your risks. Use a proxy server as a minimum and preferably a VPN.
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Old Jun 2, 2013 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
To say it is untracable is not true - in the case of bittorrent there is nothing stopping an ISP/police from themselves being a peer/host of an illegal file and knowing the IP address of any peers downloading from you, pretty sure this is how they obtain details of people who have conducted illegal torrent file sharing and brought cases against them.
Have a good read:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11...ort_lyons_sra/

There are plenty of related stories - have a read about ACS Law, the law firm that sent out thousands of threatening letters to alleged copyright infringers, before ending up in court themselves and going bankrupt having never, as far as I know, actually managed to bring a successful prosecution against any of the people they accused of being pirates.
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Old Jun 2, 2013 | 09:04 AM
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A flippant answer and one that by implication means you think there is a connection between the availability of these images and this kind of act. What evidence do you have for this?
Flippant maybe, a connection almost definitely, or is it just a coincidence that the Huntleys of this world just have child images on their computers for "research".
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Old Jun 2, 2013 | 09:05 AM
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http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-an...?msg_id=00Bj16

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/articl...offenses_in_uk
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Old Jun 4, 2013 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
Even when it's perfectly legal, Les?
There is no way that it should be legal in the first place since it is open to anyone and because children can access it it is also morally wrong.

Do you think it is acceptable?

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Old Jun 4, 2013 | 08:18 PM
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I think it's a parent's responsibility to control what they allow their children access to.
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Old Jun 4, 2013 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
There is no way that it should be legal in the first place since it is open to anyone and because children can access it it is also morally wrong.

Do you think it is acceptable?

Les
So pornography involving people of the relevant legal age should be illegal on the basis children can access it? On that logic then should cars be illegal because children can access them?

Yes children looking at **** is morally questionable but then surely that's for the parents to address?
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Old Jun 4, 2013 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyBaker
Flippant maybe, a connection almost definitely, or is it just a coincidence that the Huntleys of this world just have child images on their computers for "research".
Let's be clear here, are you saying that if Mark Bridger had not had access to child **** images he would not have killed April Jones?
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 07:04 AM
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Lol, It's like saying everyone who watches Texas Chain Saw Massacre is going to go buy a chain saw and commit mass murder, when quite frankly it's never going to happen.

What was the stimulus for Jack the Ripper? some bar maids ankle?

Twisted people do twisted things. Simple, no amount of censorship will change that, these people will always find a way around the system as illustrated by "the deep web" which I never knew existed prior to this thread, but that's no surprise as i'm neither into computer technology or clandestine activities.
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Lol, It's like saying everyone who watches Texas Chain Saw Massacre is going to go buy a chain saw and commit mass murder, when quite frankly it's never going to happen.

What was the stimulus for Jack the Ripper? some bar maids ankle?

Twisted people do twisted things. Simple, no amount of censorship will change that, these people will always find a way around the system as illustrated by "the deep web" which I never knew existed prior to this thread, but that's no surprise as i'm neither into computer technology or clandestine activities.
More or less what i posted on page 1 . If its in the persons character they will still carry out these crimes whether seeing **** or not. Ive looked at **** for years (like so many people) but its never made me want to go out and carry out abhorrent crimes, kids or otherwise.
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Lol, It's like saying everyone who watches Texas Chain Saw Massacre is going to go buy a chain saw and commit mass murder, when quite frankly it's never going to happen.

What was the stimulus for Jack the Ripper? some bar maids ankle?

Twisted people do twisted things. Simple, no amount of censorship will change that, these people will always find a way around the system as illustrated by "the deep web" which I never knew existed prior to this thread, but that's no surprise as i'm neither into computer technology or clandestine activities.
This ^^^^^
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 11:45 AM
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Yet again, its the actions of a few psychos that could dictate our lives. cant see it happening myself, but it wou;dnt surprise me if it did
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
So pornography involving people of the relevant legal age should be illegal on the basis children can access it? On that logic then should cars be illegal because children can access them?

Yes children looking at **** is morally questionable but then surely that's for the parents to address?
There is no sensible logic in the example you give!

How do parents monitor their children when they are not watching them using a computer?

If you feel **** is important to you for the purposes of self gratification then you can get publications to fulfil all your desires!

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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kevo10
More or less what i posted on page 1 . If its in the persons character they will still carry out these crimes whether seeing **** or not. Ive looked at **** for years (like so many people) but its never made me want to go out and carry out abhorrent crimes, kids or otherwise.
What the internet has done though is allow like minded people to get together. If you were into such things material was very difficult to get hold of and the chances of meeting someone else who had the same interest was remote.
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by boxst
What the internet has done though is allow like minded people to get together. If you were into such things material was very difficult to get hold of and the chances of meeting someone else who had the same interest was remote.
When I was a kid the only time you saw any good **** was when you nicked some blokes w@nk mags from his allotment shed.

Kids nowadays don't know they're born.
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 08:32 PM
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Kids nowadays don't know they're born.
Although the probably have a pretty good idea of how they were conceived


Swings and roundabouts
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
There is no sensible logic in the example you give!

How do parents monitor their children when they are not watching them using a computer?

Les
Makes as much sense as your earlier statement, I quote 'There is no way that it should be legal in the first place since it is open to anyone'. So on that basis anything that is open access should be illegal.

And as for how do parents monitor their children, I thought that was kinda obvious.
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Let's be clear here, are you saying that if Mark Bridger had not had access to child **** images he would not have killed April Jones?
To be honest I'm not sure, you have to agree there is the possibility that having had these thoughts for a long time, being able to actually view what he was fantasising about might have tipped him over the edge
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 10:14 PM
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But if thats the case where do you stop with banning things that may inspire people to do bad things. Ok , child **** is an obvious , but rape , murder , sex , violence , bondage etc. can be seen in books , films , TV and even talked about on the news. If you try to ban sites that show these things , even the likes of Netflix , Love Film , even BBC iPlayer would have to be restricted.
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Old Jun 5, 2013 | 11:00 PM
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To be honest I'm not sure, you have to agree there is the possibility that having had these thoughts for a long time, being able to actually view what he was fantasising about might have tipped him over the edge
No I don't think that is the case to be frank, as ditch said twisted people do twisted things... viewing/possessing images is a symptom not a cause
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