Traded the Impreza in for a Kia Rio
05 March 2013, 05:00 PM
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The 2006 WRX is going on Tuesday and to replace it, is a brand new 2013 Kia Rio crdi.
Bought from car people Sheffield. Traded the Impreza in for 4600, the Kia was up at 12000.
Money is not an issue, its make no sense running a scooby anymore, as the sums below show.
Impreza
tax...506
insurance.... 750
petrol 12 months... 2000
Total 3256
Kia
tax.... 20
insurance...... 300
diesel 12 months....800
Total 1120
Total saving 2136
Bought from car people Sheffield. Traded the Impreza in for 4600, the Kia was up at 12000.
Money is not an issue, its make no sense running a scooby anymore, as the sums below show.
Impreza
tax...506
insurance.... 750
petrol 12 months... 2000
Total 3256
Kia
tax.... 20
insurance...... 300
diesel 12 months....800
Total 1120
Total saving 2136
Cool story bro
05 March 2013, 05:24 PM
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When bangernomics means a diesel Golf and not some French POS it makes perfect sense. The Golf gt tdi is one of the best cars you can buy for saving money. Looks ok, averages mid 50's mpg, (a real MPG figure), cost upwards of £1500 for an average 130 bhp 6 speed model, decent build quality and depreciation proof. Spend around £2-2.5k on an 03 ish Golf and just forget about a Kia IMHO, a false economy. I've no axe to grind about someone selling an Impreza for something that's cheaper to run, I've done it myself. But the reason for selling the Impreza for something that'll be a depreciation time bomb is pretty stupid.
05 March 2013, 05:47 PM
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When I got my 1st Bugeye, my daily was an Audi A2 1.4 TDi. The little 3 cyl oil burner was bullet proof and I couldn't get less than 60 mpg.
On a sensible run it would do 75 mpg and one did 100mpg on a run along the M4 London to Bristol.
However, it provoked an interesting reaction when overtaking. Loads of drivers immediately accelerated to try to force me to pull back.
The best was an old lady in an equally old Mazda.
This form of road rage was the main reason I bought the Scoob so that it wouldn't keep happening.
Paul
On a sensible run it would do 75 mpg and one did 100mpg on a run along the M4 London to Bristol.
However, it provoked an interesting reaction when overtaking. Loads of drivers immediately accelerated to try to force me to pull back.
The best was an old lady in an equally old Mazda.This form of road rage was the main reason I bought the Scoob so that it wouldn't keep happening.
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05 March 2013, 05:56 PM
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Hmm, maybe I was being unfair, I just flicked through the thread and saw things like "you bought a **** car", "it should be torched and stuck in a dustbin" (just paraphrasing 
). 'Course no-one in their right mind would make a comparison to a Scoob, Evo etc on performance, but when you have to watch the pennies they can make great sense, and with things being what they are I can understand why so many people buy them.
I know what you're saying, and obviously money is an issue in his decision, most of his posts revolve around it. His short term justifications aren't the full story though.
If, like he says, his Scoob was a bit of a nail and needed money spending on it already you can be pretty sure it'd need more thrown at it in the next few years, or he'd need to buy something to replace it, and that Scoob wasn't going to be appreciating in the meantime.
If he's planning on keeping the Rio for 4 or 5 years he should have relatively cheap and reliable (if a bit boring ) worry free transport, with what he would have spent on the Scoob on top of his short term savings.
A fair few people seem to be talking like they run every car they get into the ground to get their money's worth
Deano
). 'Course no-one in their right mind would make a comparison to a Scoob, Evo etc on performance, but when you have to watch the pennies they can make great sense, and with things being what they are I can understand why so many people buy them.
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
, or the OP, we all just think he's got his sum's wrong, and should of had a bit of extra tuition in the maths department.
If, like he says, his Scoob was a bit of a nail and needed money spending on it already you can be pretty sure it'd need more thrown at it in the next few years, or he'd need to buy something to replace it, and that Scoob wasn't going to be appreciating in the meantime.
If he's planning on keeping the Rio for 4 or 5 years he should have relatively cheap and reliable (if a bit boring
) worry free transport, with what he would have spent on the Scoob on top of his short term savings. A fair few people seem to be talking like they run every car they get into the ground to get their money's worth
Deano
05 March 2013, 06:44 PM
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Hmm, maybe I was being unfair, I just flicked through the thread and saw things like "you bought a **** car", "it should be torched and stuck in a dustbin" (just paraphrasing ). 'Course no-one in their right mind would make a comparison to a Scoob, Evo etc on performance, but when you have to watch the pennies they can make great sense, and with things being what they are I can understand why so many people buy them.
I know what you're saying, and obviously money is an issue in his decision, most of his posts revolve around it. His short term justifications aren't the full story though.
If, like he says, his Scoob was a bit of a nail and needed money spending on it already you can be pretty sure it'd need more thrown at it in the next few years, or he'd need to buy something to replace it, and that Scoob wasn't going to be appreciating in the meantime.
If he's planning on keeping the Rio for 4 or 5 years he should have relatively cheap and reliable (if a bit boring ) worry free transport, with what he would have spent on the Scoob on top of his short term savings.
A fair few people seem to be talking like they run every car they get into the ground to get their money's worth
Deano
). 'Course no-one in their right mind would make a comparison to a Scoob, Evo etc on performance, but when you have to watch the pennies they can make great sense, and with things being what they are I can understand why so many people buy them.I know what you're saying, and obviously money is an issue in his decision, most of his posts revolve around it. His short term justifications aren't the full story though.
If, like he says, his Scoob was a bit of a nail and needed money spending on it already you can be pretty sure it'd need more thrown at it in the next few years, or he'd need to buy something to replace it, and that Scoob wasn't going to be appreciating in the meantime.
If he's planning on keeping the Rio for 4 or 5 years he should have relatively cheap and reliable (if a bit boring
) worry free transport, with what he would have spent on the Scoob on top of his short term savings. A fair few people seem to be talking like they run every car they get into the ground to get their money's worth
Deano
And thats before you factor in he's driving a kia instead of a scoob.
I fully understand someone wanting to save money, but don't come on here spouting off about how scoobs don't make sense, when he's not making sense himself.
No performance car makes sense, that's not what they are about, the give away is in the performance part.
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06 March 2013, 01:24 AM
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I still think he got his sums wrong, all cars cost money, tyres, servicing etc, the car he traded he got £4600 for i think, then spent an extra £7400, he still has to factor in tyres and servicing PLUS depreciation at circa 60% over 3yrs which means his Kia will be worth circa £5k, so thats ish £14,400 for 3yrs, plus fuel, i doubt the scoob he traded would have cost him that much in the same 3yrs including fuel.
He says the Scoob needs another grand odd spending on it, so he's up there, and his servicing and tyres will probably cost him less, plus he's got the comfort of not having to worry about unexpected repair costs. Whether he's up, even or down basically hinges on whether he's financed the new motor, and how much he values the piece of mind at (and how much he misses the Scoob
). 60% depreciation over three years sounds huge, until you put it in the context of what is a relatively cheap car, and in comparison to equivalent cars. In money terms anyone who bought a new STi likely lost more than that in the first year, a WRX in two.
I fully understand someone wanting to save money, but don't come on here spouting off about how scoobs don't make sense, when he's not making sense himself.
No performance car makes sense, that's not what they are about, the give away is in the performance part.
Deano
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06 March 2013, 07:10 AM
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I look at things slightly differently, he's just spent £7400 over night, your honour and members of the jury 
, this from a man who purchases car tax on a 6 monthly basis and claims subarus don't make economic sense, shows a complete disregard for sound financial management over the fiscal year.
Afore mentioned £7400 broken down over 3yrs, (i'm using 3yrs as i don't think it's possible for any human being to survive such levels of torture for longer)
means his £2136 yearly saving x 3 (for the hard of multiplication) = £6408 which then leaves £992 change, which for the purpose of this discussion we shall round up to the afore mentioned £1000 worth of reparations required to afore mentioned subaru.
So now we come to the Elephant in the room (figuratively speaking of course) 60% depreciation over afore mentioned 3yrs which is circa £7000, represents a spanking of masonic proportions.
Now i put it to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, in the face of such damming evidence to the contrary, who in their right mind would drive a kia rio over a subaru, and miss out on all the cheap ****** and drugs that £7000 could have purchased over afore mentioned 3yrs.
oops for got summary, so he could have sorted the scoob and ran it for 3yrs had lots of drugs and ho's for the same cash.
Must be an imbecile.
, this from a man who purchases car tax on a 6 monthly basis and claims subarus don't make economic sense, shows a complete disregard for sound financial management over the fiscal year.Afore mentioned £7400 broken down over 3yrs, (i'm using 3yrs as i don't think it's possible for any human being to survive such levels of torture for longer)
means his £2136 yearly saving x 3 (for the hard of multiplication) = £6408 which then leaves £992 change, which for the purpose of this discussion we shall round up to the afore mentioned £1000 worth of reparations required to afore mentioned subaru.So now we come to the Elephant in the room (figuratively speaking of course) 60% depreciation over afore mentioned 3yrs which is circa £7000, represents a spanking of masonic proportions.
Now i put it to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, in the face of such damming evidence to the contrary, who in their right mind would drive a kia rio over a subaru, and miss out on all the cheap ****** and drugs that £7000 could have purchased over afore mentioned 3yrs.
oops for got summary, so he could have sorted the scoob and ran it for 3yrs had lots of drugs and ho's for the same cash.
Must be an imbecile.
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06 March 2013, 08:24 AM
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Don't think he wants praise mate, he was just sharing his story, I am ashamed be apart of this forum, hence I don't post much because this thread is a perfect example of the small minded pathetic keyboard warriors.
Sorry for being harsh but it really gets me, we r ment to me mature adults but this just shows the bad stigma attached to subaru drivers is true, rant over again.
Sorry for being harsh but it really gets me, we r ment to me mature adults but this just shows the bad stigma attached to subaru drivers is true, rant over again.
06 March 2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Afore mentioned £7400 broken down over 3yrs, (i'm using 3yrs as i don't think it's possible for any human being to survive such levels of torture for longer) means his £2136 yearly saving x 3 (for the hard of multiplication) = £6408 which then leaves £992 change, which for the purpose of this discussion we shall round up to the afore mentioned £1000 worth of reparations required to afore mentioned subaru.
So now we come to the Elephant in the room (figuratively speaking of course) 60% depreciation over afore mentioned 3yrs which is circa £7000, represents a spanking of masonic proportions.
Now i put it to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, in the face of such damming evidence to the contrary, who in their right mind would drive a kia rio over a subaru, and miss out on all the cheap ****** and drugs that £7000 could have purchased over afore mentioned 3yrs.
So now we come to the Elephant in the room (figuratively speaking of course) 60% depreciation over afore mentioned 3yrs which is circa £7000, represents a spanking of masonic proportions.
Now i put it to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, in the face of such damming evidence to the contrary, who in their right mind would drive a kia rio over a subaru, and miss out on all the cheap ****** and drugs that £7000 could have purchased over afore mentioned 3yrs.
By saying he'll spend £7400 and he'll suffer £7000 of depreciation, my learned friend is effectively doubling the accused losses. To wit, he is using the "wrong sums"
I can't keep that up.
What you need to look at is the difference between staying where he was, and buying the Kia. Here it is over three years as you suggest. I've used your figure for the Kia's depreciation, and taken a (possibly) generous punt at how much his scoob would be worth based on current 03 WRX prices. Plus possibly pros and cons that we can't quantify.
Staying where he was with the Scoob
Cash outlay: £1000 repairs
Running costs: £9768
Car value at end: £4000
Total cost of motoring: £6768
+ It's a scoob!
- Risk of unexpected repair/maintenance costs
- Servicing, MOT, tyres, magic tree
Switching to the Kia
Cash outlay: £7400
Running costs: £3360
Car value at end: £5000
Total cost of motoring: £5760
- It's not a Scoob
- possibly paying or losing interest on £7400
- Service costs, tyres, valium etc
+ Little to no chance of unexpected repair/maintenance rcosts
You say keeping it four years would be mental, I'd say shutting it after 3 would be, since that's when the depreciation tails off. After four years his costs for the Kia are £7880 (assuming a further grand of depreciation), for the Scoob £10,000 (no depreciation)
'Course, I'd say the real loons are the ones who swap after one or two years when depreciation is highest. Bless 'em, the rest of us wouldn't be able to benefit from them swallowing the big loss.
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06 March 2013, 09:27 AM
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=Beemer_Deano;11014663]A compelling argument on the face of it. However, not an accurate one, m'lud.
By saying he'll spend £7400 and he'll suffer £7000 of depreciation, my learned friend is effectively doubling the accused losses. To wit, he is using the "wrong sums"
By saying he'll spend £7400 and he'll suffer £7000 of depreciation, my learned friend is effectively doubling the accused losses. To wit, he is using the "wrong sums"
So he added £7400 in cash presumably to buy the kia today, poof gone in a cloud of diesel soot, when he could of spent only £1k, so £6400 fo ho's.
Staying where he was with the Scoob
Cash outlay: £1000 repairs
Running costs: £9768
Car value at end: £4000
Total cost of motoring: £6768
+ It's a scoob!
- Risk of unexpected repair/maintenance costs
- Servicing, MOT, tyres, magic tree
Cash outlay: £1000 repairs
Running costs: £9768
Car value at end: £4000
Total cost of motoring: £6768
+ It's a scoob!
- Risk of unexpected repair/maintenance costs
- Servicing, MOT, tyres, magic tree
Switching to the Kia
Cash outlay: £7400
Running costs: £3360
Car value at end: £5000
Total cost of motoring: £5760
- It's not a Scoob
- possibly paying or losing interest on £7400
- Service costs, tyres, valium etc
+ Little to no chance of unexpected repair/maintenance rcosts
Cash outlay: £7400
Running costs: £3360
Car value at end: £5000
Total cost of motoring: £5760
- It's not a Scoob
- possibly paying or losing interest on £7400
- Service costs, tyres, valium etc
+ Little to no chance of unexpected repair/maintenance rcosts
You say keeping it four years would be mental, I'd say shutting it after 3 would be, since that's when the depreciation tails off. After four years his costs for the Kia are £7880 (assuming a further grand of depreciation), for the Scoob £10,000 (no depreciation)
'Course, I'd say the real loons are the ones who swap after one or two years when depreciation is highest. Bless 'em, the rest of us wouldn't be able to benefit from them swallowing the big loss.
Deano
'Course, I'd say the real loons are the ones who swap after one or two years when depreciation is highest. Bless 'em, the rest of us wouldn't be able to benefit from them swallowing the big loss.
Deano
I still think it's crap economic sense to throw £7k in the toilet, i mean Kia, and then still have to run a car, and probably paying finance on it too,
i'd sooner spread that over 3yrs as who knows what the next 6 months will bring let alone 3/4yrs.But at the end of the day, i don't care, it's not my money.
06 March 2013, 10:29 AM
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At worst, t's probably a wash, at best he'll have saved a fair bit. Who knows, maybe he feels the advantages of driving a new, fully warrantied Kia is something that no-one could possibly put a value on?
If he put the £6400 into premium bonds for 3yrs he would have made up the £336 per year difference.
I still think it's crap economic sense to throw £7k in the toilet, i mean Kia, and then still have to run a car, and probably paying finance on it too, i'd sooner spread that over 3yrs as who knows what the next 6 months will bring let alone 3/4yrs.
i'd sooner spread that over 3yrs as who knows what the next 6 months will bring let alone 3/4yrs.
But at the end of the day, i don't care, it's not my money.
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06 March 2013, 11:29 AM
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Don't think he wants praise mate, he was just sharing his story, I am ashamed be apart of this forum, hence I don't post much because this thread is a perfect example of the small minded pathetic keyboard warriors.
Sorry for being harsh but it really gets me, we r ment to me mature adults but this just shows the bad stigma attached to subaru drivers is true, rant over again.
Sorry for being harsh but it really gets me, we r ment to me mature adults but this just shows the bad stigma attached to subaru drivers is true, rant over again.
For me it should all come under "your money, your choice", but this isn't the real world, it's the shadowy financial Twilight Zone that can only be created when heart overrules head.
Just embrace it, resistance is futile
Deano
06 March 2013, 11:36 AM
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I know exactly where you're coming from, I just try to take it all as giggles. One day a guy will be getting roasting for buying a 12 grand runabout that's a "depreciation timebomb", next day we'll be back-slapping the fella that's bought a £25k STi that'll depreciate more in a year, recommending a £2k engine rebuild on an £6k car, or queuing up to spend 30 quid on a rocker switch.
So true The one that gets me on here at the moment is when some newbie posts about possibly buying a hatch STI.
Someone will warn them about the engine failures and suggest that if they don't want to be worried all the time then either buy a different make/model car or get a hatch STI that has already been rebuilt.
Thne there are always a barrage of posts following (mostly from hatch owners) saying not to worry about it and get it bought and just make sure you have a spare £3.5K for if it goes pop and needs a rebuild ..... yeah because everyone has £3.5K just lying around
06 March 2013, 12:45 PM
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I don't usually have £3.5k lying around myself either, but I do have an interest free credit card kept to one side in the event of a problem I'd suggest to anyone running a high performance car to do likewise. These engines are not bulletproof and can go bang, no matter which one you have.
06 March 2013, 10:17 PM
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Having owned a fair few cars I would always suggest keeping some dorrah to one side in case something goes pop.
I don't usually have £3.5k lying around myself either, but I do have an interest free credit card kept to one side in the event of a problem I'd suggest to anyone running a high performance car to do likewise. These engines are not bulletproof and can go bang, no matter which one you have.
I don't usually have £3.5k lying around myself either, but I do have an interest free credit card kept to one side in the event of a problem I'd suggest to anyone running a high performance car to do likewise. These engines are not bulletproof and can go bang, no matter which one you have.
07 March 2013, 10:24 PM
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As I'm running a TDi 130 Golf and getting 50 mpg, also a cheap map can give 300 ft.lb(?)
I'm all for the £1500 diesel for getting to/from work. The mere thought of spending £15 a day in V-power does not sit well with being a Yorkshireman.... working six days a week !
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I'm all for the £1500 diesel for getting to/from work. The mere thought of spending £15 a day in V-power does not sit well with being a Yorkshireman.... working six days a week !
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11 March 2013, 02:50 PM
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I have a ceed as my other car and to be honest its great. Its a 57 plate is (the old 3) and I got it when it was four years old. I can only afford to. Run my bug wrx as I get expenses for work travel that covers the cost, if I didn't there would be no way I would be running the scoob.
The 7 year warranty is, to a point at the discretion of the garage (I got drop links fitted foc although the service book had a couple of gaps).
The only thing I would say is that buying a new car is nuts, get a well looked after car at least a couple of years old , no depreciation and all the benefits of a cheaper car. I'm thinking about doing something like that when the missus goes off on mat leave.
The 7 year warranty is, to a point at the discretion of the garage (I got drop links fitted foc although the service book had a couple of gaps).
The only thing I would say is that buying a new car is nuts, get a well looked after car at least a couple of years old , no depreciation and all the benefits of a cheaper car. I'm thinking about doing something like that when the missus goes off on mat leave.
11 March 2013, 03:32 PM
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Yeah I love bull****ting on forums about cars I don't own!
Your turn mate!
Don't like beans alone, best with those little pork sausages. And two slices of Warbys Toastie loaf.
Oh and I reiterate my stance, if an Impreza drops a cog you'll need a good slice of dorrah to fix it. So an overdraft facility or credit card is the best thing for it. Especially useful when you need to replace head gaskets / source half a 911 engine / replace a blown turbo on a diesel.
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11 March 2013, 04:07 PM
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Not your cossie mush! The OP escort cossie, nice car though loving the number plate too 
Could be the start to something here though
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Beans AND sausages hey and they Heinz!!! Only the best for a picture with the cossie somebody's not on a home brand shopping budget 
, get some smart price ******* you will have more money to stick in the tank lmao
At least that's one cossie with a tin on it, time for the other one now
and they Heinz!!! Only the best for a picture with the cossie somebody's not on a home brand shopping budget , get some smart price ******* you will have more money to stick in the tank lmao At least that's one cossie with a tin on it, time for the other one now
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I've gone for my little girls (honest) Hello Kitty shapes on the RB5
P.S Excuse the dirt a daily driver in the countryside is a b@stard to keep clean
P.S Excuse the dirt a daily driver in the countryside is a b@stard to keep clean
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11 March 2013, 09:13 PM
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Hehe I know it's not what you wanted but I thought I'd brighten the post up a tad, I'm not sure the OP would put a pic up after the abuse he's had bless him.
Stay tuned, tomorrow I'll find something else to put on the scoop! Not got any Hello Kitty shaped hoops yet but we've just found out my wife is having a girl so I guess they'll be making their way into our cupboards sooner rather than later.
Nice motor by the way, always been a fan of Prodrive special editions.
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