old scoobies v modern day cars
02 March 2013, 11:33 PM
#91
Helps if you read the whole thread.
Your biased, and your STI is modified, we're talking Standard STI v's Blob WRX PPP and the numbers speak for themselves.
So your seriously trying to tell me that a car that is 0.5 seconds slower to 60mph, and needs to be in 3rd gear to get there is faster than a car that can do it in second gear.
Have you looked at the graph and figures for a PPP BLOB WRX
The STI is quicker to 100mph but in reality that does not translate to a faster car in the real world where spool, gearing and handling are king.
The Standard STI is a good car but it's not all it's cracked up to be when it comes to making progress on bumpy back roads, modified it's a different story, and i understand your reluctance to admit that it may be slower in the real world, due to poor gearing and harsh suspension, especially since you paid a premium for one, but as previously stated THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
Your biased, and your STI is modified, we're talking Standard STI v's Blob WRX PPP and the numbers speak for themselves.
So your seriously trying to tell me that a car that is 0.5 seconds slower to 60mph, and needs to be in 3rd gear to get there is faster than a car that can do it in second gear.
Have you looked at the graph and figures for a PPP BLOB WRX
The STI is quicker to 100mph but in reality that does not translate to a faster car in the real world where spool, gearing and handling are king.
The Standard STI is a good car but it's not all it's cracked up to be when it comes to making progress on bumpy back roads, modified it's a different story, and i understand your reluctance to admit that it may be slower in the real world, due to poor gearing and harsh suspension, especially since you paid a premium for one, but as previously stated THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
yes and the lower gearing and avcs in the sti makes it a faster drive in the real world.
i have coilovers fitted but so does emmas wrx and she will tell you my car is streets ahead and both cars are remapped but no big turbos etc fitted.
in the real world on a b road blast my sti will be streets ahead.
03 March 2013, 01:46 AM
#92
Not sure that lower/closer gearing would make that much difference IMO. Close ratios gears are good if you have cars with a narrow power/ torque band, but impreza power/torque bands are pretty broad throughout the rev range. Put simply, the more gears you have, the more gear changes you have to make. 3rd gear in a WRX PPP will take you from 50-90 and all inbetween, whereas the STI will have to have a gear change in there somewhere.
In a B road blast I agree that the STi would probably be ahead, but not by 'streets' as you claim.
EVO review of a WRX PPP "On peak torque it actually outdoes the standard STi, with 257lb ft at 3500rpm compared with the STi's 243 at 4000 (the regular WRX makes do with 221lb ft at 4000rpm). "
In a B road blast I agree that the STi would probably be ahead, but not by 'streets' as you claim.
EVO review of a WRX PPP "On peak torque it actually outdoes the standard STi, with 257lb ft at 3500rpm compared with the STi's 243 at 4000 (the regular WRX makes do with 221lb ft at 4000rpm). "
03 March 2013, 02:14 AM
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modern dervs will beat a scoob after the initial acceleration. My mondeo recently gained on a scoob who tried to accelerate away on a motorway (not standing start which I cover in my first statement). Mine is probably only running about 140bhp but with a shed load of torque, no one mention running out of gears as it is geared for 150mph) which will out do a standardish classic and will get there quicker. Cant wait to spend £150 on a custom remap which will bring me close to 200bhp and a shed load more torque! 
Going back to the Renaults and twisty's, I had a meganesport trophy and handling wise it was awesome. I am a mediocre driver but I could take corners faster in that, than my scoob and 400bhp evo 8. A decent driver it would be a different matter, but most on here are mediocre at best
Going back to the Renaults and twisty's, I had a meganesport trophy and handling wise it was awesome. I am a mediocre driver but I could take corners faster in that, than my scoob and 400bhp evo 8. A decent driver it would be a different matter, but most on here are mediocre at best
03 March 2013, 06:08 AM
#94
The Standard STI is a good car but it's not all it's cracked up to be when it comes to making progress on bumpy back roads, modified it's a different story, and i understand your reluctance to admit that it may be slower in the real world, due to poor gearing and harsh suspension, especially since you paid a premium for one, but as previously stated THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
03 March 2013, 08:19 AM
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yes and the lower gearing and avcs in the sti makes it a faster drive in the real world.
i have coilovers fitted but so does emmas wrx and she will tell you my car is streets ahead and both cars are remapped but no big turbos etc fitted.
in the real world on a b road blast my sti will be streets ahead.
i have coilovers fitted but so does emmas wrx and she will tell you my car is streets ahead and both cars are remapped but no big turbos etc fitted.
in the real world on a b road blast my sti will be streets ahead.
=Donnie Brasco 46;11011001]Not sure that lower/closer gearing would make that much difference IMO. Close ratios gears are good if you have cars with a narrow power/ torque band, but impreza power/torque bands are pretty broad throughout the rev range. Put simply, the more gears you have, the more gear changes you have to make. 3rd gear in a WRX PPP will take you from 50-90 and all inbetween, whereas the STI will have to have a gear change in there somewhere.
In a B road blast I agree that the STi would probably be ahead, but not by 'streets' as you claim.
EVO review of a WRX PPP "On peak torque it actually outdoes the standard STi, with 257lb ft at 3500rpm compared with the STi's 243 at 4000 (the regular WRX makes do with 221lb ft at 4000rpm). "
Give it up tommy, or you'll lose what little credibility you have here, one thing you'll notice about me mate, is i never go into battle unless i know i'll win.
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03 March 2013, 09:07 AM
#96
and remember your wagons power was measured in 1999 at about 207 - 13 or 14 years ofengine wear can take up to 10% of that away shes just getting worn - its no wonder you will be left behind - no disgrace m8 its just progress - spend 1k on your car and i guarantee youl need 30k to catch you
03 March 2013, 09:31 AM
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Helps if you read the whole thread.
Your biased, and your STI is modified, we're talking Standard STI v's Blob WRX PPP and the numbers speak for themselves.
So your seriously trying to tell me that a car that is 0.5 seconds slower to 60mph, and needs to be in 3rd gear to get there is faster than a car that can do it in second gear.
Have you looked at the graph and figures for a PPP BLOB WRX
The STI is quicker to 100mph but in reality that does not translate to a faster car in the real world where spool, gearing and handling are king.
The Standard STI is a good car but it's not all it's cracked up to be when it comes to making progress on bumpy back roads, modified it's a different story, and i understand your reluctance to admit that it may be slower in the real world, due to poor gearing and harsh suspension, especially since you paid a premium for one, but as previously stated THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
Your biased, and your STI is modified, we're talking Standard STI v's Blob WRX PPP and the numbers speak for themselves.
So your seriously trying to tell me that a car that is 0.5 seconds slower to 60mph, and needs to be in 3rd gear to get there is faster than a car that can do it in second gear.
Have you looked at the graph and figures for a PPP BLOB WRX
The STI is quicker to 100mph but in reality that does not translate to a faster car in the real world where spool, gearing and handling are king.
The Standard STI is a good car but it's not all it's cracked up to be when it comes to making progress on bumpy back roads, modified it's a different story, and i understand your reluctance to admit that it may be slower in the real world, due to poor gearing and harsh suspension, especially since you paid a premium for one, but as previously stated THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
Think we've gone a bit off topic though.
03 March 2013, 10:07 AM
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I have a 2000 turbo and came up against a newish m3, so for a laugh knowing full well it should blow me away in no time at all I chased it. Shock horror it did not embarrass me in the chase, round a bend I could of taken it if I'd of had the car longer than two days and my ***** were bigger. It's horses for courses good driver in well set up car will always beat a poor driver in powerful car. With Subaru it's about character get in my 17 year old beaut start it up and listen to it rumble nothing better. Everyone would love a Subaru deep down just enjoy it most other people enjoy your cars when they pass by.
03 March 2013, 10:53 AM
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With a uk 2000 let's face it 210 bhp nowadays some people carriers have more but how many faster newer cars have just heard there car being driven up the road by there wives and smiled like I just did. Subaru's evo's much the same type r Clio focus rs st cozzy escort sierra m3 m5 all horses for courses, only a few of those are apart of motor sport history the mondeo that bombs past you on the motorway will never be able to say the same.
03 March 2013, 12:38 PM
#101
I have to agree as much as it annoyed me at the time, a PPP WRX is quicker to 60 than a standard STI. After that speed it's the STI's territory. Though how many times do you realistically have the opportunity to go over that 80-90 mph when you're having a little play? I agree on the track it's a different story.
Think we've gone a bit off topic though.
Think we've gone a bit off topic though.
03 March 2013, 02:05 PM
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With a uk 2000 let's face it 210 bhp nowadays some people carriers have more but how many faster newer cars have just heard there car being driven up the road by there wives and smiled like I just did. Subaru's evo's much the same type r Clio focus rs st cozzy escort sierra m3 m5 all horses for courses, only a few of those are apart of motor sport history the mondeo that bombs past you on the motorway will never be able to say the same.
Got to agree with the sound though, unbeatable.
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03 March 2013, 03:46 PM
#106
I think people are forgetting there was also a Blob STi PPP too not just a Blob WRX PPP, Compare the figures on that before saying the sti is slow
03 March 2013, 03:57 PM
#109
its still under a lot of strain accelerating, also the 6 speed has a larger clutch to take a bit more abuse and generally an all round better box.
also if your talking standard cars id take a drive in a standard wrx then a standard sti.
wibbly wobbly suspension and useless brakes.
03 March 2013, 04:02 PM
#110
its still under a lot of strain accelerating, also the 6 speed has a larger clutch to take a bit more abuse and generally an all round better box.
also if your talking standard cars id take a drive in a standard wrx then a standard sti.
wibbly wobbly suspension and useless brakes.
also if your talking standard cars id take a drive in a standard wrx then a standard sti.
wibbly wobbly suspension and useless brakes.
03 March 2013, 05:11 PM
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=tubbytommy;11011478]its still under a lot of strain accelerating, also the 6 speed has a larger clutch to take a bit more abuse and generally an all round better box.
also if your talking standard cars id take a drive in a standard wrx then a standard sti.
wibbly wobbly suspension and useless brakes.
also if your talking standard cars id take a drive in a standard wrx then a standard sti.
wibbly wobbly suspension and useless brakes.
=tubbytommy;11011489]yes the ratios are longer on a 5 speed box, i think you need to grab an extra gear on the six speed box
Blobeye WRX PPP - 4.8 secs/14.1 secs ......Blobeye STI PPP - 5.2 secs/12.9 secs
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03 March 2013, 05:24 PM
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My WRX PPP was far quicker off the line than my tuned ST, but once moving the ST felt quicker. Not sure if the figures would back this up maybe the ST was a bit more twitchy and made me think it was quicker. And to be honest i dont really care, and as for people giving others stick for only having a "poor mans scooby" as you call it. Hang your head in shame.
03 March 2013, 05:31 PM
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I think people are forgetting there was also a Blob STi PPP too not just a Blob WRX PPP, Compare the figures on that before saying the sti is slow
I think people are forgetting there was also a Blob STi PPP too not just a Blob WRX PPP, Compare the figures on that before saying the sti is slow
Still faster.
03 March 2013, 05:39 PM
#119
well im going on EXPERIENCE having regular use of both a newage wrx and sti not what ive read on the internet
the sti is far faster in my experience, maybe on paper it is slightly slower to 60 but try achieving that time on the road.
a few launches and the 5 speed would be dead anyway
