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06 February 2013, 07:06 PM
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07 February 2013, 09:24 AM
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As Telboy said yesterday "You fundamentally fail to grasp that homosexuality is a combination of nature and nurture, not a lifestyle choice. Until you comprehend that basic fact of sexuality in humans, any further debate is futile."
This somes it up in a nutshell.
Now Dunk you seem like a decent enough chap on here and obviously have some brains so please try and grasp what Telbiy has said there as it's the truth. I am not saying you have to like it as you are entitled to your opinion, but please don't treat it as some abomination of the species because it isn't and really what harm is it doing to you? Be honest now!
07 February 2013, 09:37 AM
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No you're moving into the definition of 'normal'.
Is it natural? Yes in that it is not a trait exclusive to humans.
Is it usual? Not really, it's a small minority.
Is it 'intended behaviour'? No, genitals/physical attraction exist to procreate.
Is it natural? Yes in that it is not a trait exclusive to humans.
Is it usual? Not really, it's a small minority.
Is it 'intended behaviour'? No, genitals/physical attraction exist to procreate.
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07 February 2013, 09:49 AM
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However what I don't get, and this isn't directed at you persoanlly, is why there is such a debate about homosexuality in general, why the stigma? On ths board alone there are a good few people who range from being uncomfortable with it to being full on anti-gay. Why?
What real harm is homosexaulity doing to any of them? Why do they seek to ridicule or, worse than that, lambast people over their sexuality. It is this I fundamentally struggle with. I don't get it, I can't get it... it's not logical to hate something that doesn't in any way affect you just because it is something you don't want to do. There has to be some psychology at work there and I woud dearly love to understand what it is.
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07 February 2013, 09:54 AM
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One more thing
Yet most heterosexual people use them for personal gratification.... is that frowned on too, after all it's not what they're for which seems to be one of the complaints about homosexuals?
Yet most heterosexual people use them for personal gratification.... is that frowned on too, after all it's not what they're for which seems to be one of the complaints about homosexuals?
07 February 2013, 10:23 AM
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OK well I think it's quite normal, others, like you, don't. We will just have to agree to differ on that.
However what I don't get, and this isn't directed at you persoanlly, is why there is such a debate about homosexuality in general, why the stigma? On ths board alone there are a good few people who range from being uncomfortable with it to being full on anti-gay. Why?
What real harm is homosexaulity doing to any of them? Why do they seek to ridicule or, worse than that, lambast people over their sexuality. It is this I fundamentally struggle with. I don't get it, I can't get it... it's not logical to hate something that doesn't in any way affect you just because it is something you don't want to do. There has to be some psychology at work there and I woud dearly love to understand what it is.
However what I don't get, and this isn't directed at you persoanlly, is why there is such a debate about homosexuality in general, why the stigma? On ths board alone there are a good few people who range from being uncomfortable with it to being full on anti-gay. Why?
What real harm is homosexaulity doing to any of them? Why do they seek to ridicule or, worse than that, lambast people over their sexuality. It is this I fundamentally struggle with. I don't get it, I can't get it... it's not logical to hate something that doesn't in any way affect you just because it is something you don't want to do. There has to be some psychology at work there and I woud dearly love to understand what it is.
I don't understand either.
07 February 2013, 10:26 AM
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If it didn't feel gratifying then we wouldn't bother having sex and therefore procreating. It's a side effect, not the ultimate goal, biologically speaking.
07 February 2013, 10:27 AM
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As Telboy said you don't decide to be gay, you just are. That is all there is to it in my eyes!
07 February 2013, 10:43 AM
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True, but with heterosexuality, there's always the possibility the relationship could lead to children, even from meeting someone and having one-night-stand with contraception. So in that sense, the gratification is still a means to procreation!
07 February 2013, 11:13 AM
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True. I suppose a better way of putting it then is that men and women should find each other sexually attractive, primiarily for procreation. The dirty kinky animal sexual gratification we enjoy is the reason we don't get bored of trying. It is of course not abnormal to enjoy gratification, but it is not in itself the biological reason for the attraction, procreation is.
*In case you can't tell, I am semi-making this up as I go, but I think there is some truth in this to explain why some people feel hostile to the idea of homosexuality, it is against what their own programming says is 'normal'*
*In case you can't tell, I am semi-making this up as I go, but I think there is some truth in this to explain why some people feel hostile to the idea of homosexuality, it is against what their own programming says is 'normal'*
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07 February 2013, 11:57 AM
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You are both falling into the trap of treating something as not being normal just becuase it's not what the majority of people do and to be honest not what you do.
As Telboy said yesterday "You fundamentally fail to grasp that homosexuality is a combination of nature and nurture, not a lifestyle choice. Until you comprehend that basic fact of sexuality in humans, any further debate is futile."
As Telboy said yesterday "You fundamentally fail to grasp that homosexuality is a combination of nature and nurture, not a lifestyle choice. Until you comprehend that basic fact of sexuality in humans, any further debate is futile."
I can't deal with this, I feel as though I am going to implode and the whole world around me will be brought to an end..
07 February 2013, 12:55 PM
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sorry, i got an email saying replies and I couldn't help myself!
I'm pretty sure a lot of pedophiles think they are normal, and I guess one reason we don't accept this is because we are protective of our young.
Picture a world where governments/agencies start advocating pedophilia through the media, slowly slowly infiltrating peoples minds and thought patterns until pedophiles are accepted and are normal and anyone who speaks out about it are immediately branded.
I know homosexuals and pedophiles are a totally different kettle of fish, and that this would never happen (I sincerely hope) but the principle still stands. If you shout, bully and scream for something to be accepted as normal, after a while, people will do just that.
Picture a world where governments/agencies start advocating pedophilia through the media, slowly slowly infiltrating peoples minds and thought patterns until pedophiles are accepted and are normal and anyone who speaks out about it are immediately branded.
I know homosexuals and pedophiles are a totally different kettle of fish, and that this would never happen (I sincerely hope) but the principle still stands. If you shout, bully and scream for something to be accepted as normal, after a while, people will do just that.
07 February 2013, 01:01 PM
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sorry, i got an email saying replies and I couldn't help myself!
I'm pretty sure a lot of pedophiles think they are normal, and I guess one reason we don't accept this is because we are protective of our young.
Picture a world where governments/agencies start advocating pedophilia through the media, slowly slowly infiltrating peoples minds and thought patterns until pedophiles are accepted and are normal and anyone who speaks out about it are immediately branded.
I know homosexuals and pedophiles are a totally different kettle of fish, and that this would never happen (I sincerely hope) but the principle still stands. If you shout, bully and scream for something to be accepted as normal, after a while, people will do just that.
I'm pretty sure a lot of pedophiles think they are normal, and I guess one reason we don't accept this is because we are protective of our young.
Picture a world where governments/agencies start advocating pedophilia through the media, slowly slowly infiltrating peoples minds and thought patterns until pedophiles are accepted and are normal and anyone who speaks out about it are immediately branded.
I know homosexuals and pedophiles are a totally different kettle of fish, and that this would never happen (I sincerely hope) but the principle still stands. If you shout, bully and scream for something to be accepted as normal, after a while, people will do just that.
07 February 2013, 01:08 PM
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yes, thanks. this paragraph was all in that context anyways, but cheers for clarifying for everyone 
Ummmmm, what? Underlying issue? I don't give a crap about the Governments motivation for pushing the bill through, they are always trying something to boost their ratings, without giving a monkeys about the general public...every half wit can see that pretty clearly.
The ACTUAL issue which we are debating here is, do we agree with allowing the definition of marriage to be re-defined, which is currently defined as "the voluntary union for life, of one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others"
Homosexual people have already got Civil Partnerships which give them all the rights a Married couple do, so why are they trying to re-define marriage exactly?
I'll tell you one reason why, so they can infiltrate a whole generation of children into a NWO way of thinking. Just go check out some of the books they will FORCE and INDOCTRINATE our children with! Not to mention you won't be able to opt your children out of this part of the curriculum as it is a "human rights issue"
Homo books for primary schools: http://c4m.org.uk/downloads/schools.pdf
Video explaining why you wont be allowed to opt out of the homocurric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_zL...ature=youtu.be
See more info here: http://c4m.org.uk/resources/
http://c4m.org.uk
It's frustrating that the underlying issue is being missed; the motivation for pushing this bill through Parliament is not the desire to make Britain a better place but to win votes. Sambob and his ilk make it far more likely the bill will be passed because of their outdated and IMO offensive views...so the politicians are getting away with it again.
The ACTUAL issue which we are debating here is, do we agree with allowing the definition of marriage to be re-defined, which is currently defined as "the voluntary union for life, of one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others"
Homosexual people have already got Civil Partnerships which give them all the rights a Married couple do, so why are they trying to re-define marriage exactly?
I'll tell you one reason why, so they can infiltrate a whole generation of children into a NWO way of thinking. Just go check out some of the books they will FORCE and INDOCTRINATE our children with! Not to mention you won't be able to opt your children out of this part of the curriculum as it is a "human rights issue"
Homo books for primary schools: http://c4m.org.uk/downloads/schools.pdf
Video explaining why you wont be allowed to opt out of the homocurric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_zL...ature=youtu.be
See more info here: http://c4m.org.uk/resources/
http://c4m.org.uk