Oh for goodness sake, paedophilia is clearly harmful to children and obviously non-consensual. The two things aren't remotely comparable!

 

How is that exactly? It's a perfectly valid point! & I was thinking objectively, man.

 

Branded, what with a cattle prod?

I believe you should come clean now ,and admit you're not a serious poster

 

I detect very little objectivity in your posts I'm afraid. You are coming at this from an entrenched position. You have now dropped the 'P' bomb into the discussion, for reasons known only to yourself

 

The only difference is we protect our children because they are vulnerable and sexually are not matured for sex. If we didn't protect our young as we do (as some of the animal kingdom), this wouldn't be relevant and pedo's would be accepted just as homo's.

*Now on the topic of re-defining marriage*

Homosexuality can be harmful to children as It has been proven by extensive research that children who grow up in a home with both biological mother and father are parents are much better off.

Homosexuality can be harmful to homo's as it often involves sexual practices which are harmful over the short term & long term.

Homosexual marriage will be harmful for a huge array of reasons, whether you acknowledge this or not.

thttp://www.tfpstudentaction.org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed.html

 

I used pedophillia as an objective example as to what people think is normal, as this is something which is currently viewed as totally abnormal, and unnatural, just like homosexuality was not so long ago.

Just to make it clear. I think pedophilia is totally abnormal, sick, twisted and wrong, I'm sure you would agree.

TO make it CRYSTAL clear to those of you who can't be bothered to read things properly, I am NOT comparing homosexuals with pedophiles, simply peoples understanding, definition and comprehension of "normal"

 

If I was not serious about this issue of re-defining marriage I would not have spent this time objecting to it.

 

Sorry, but that is absolute nonsense. You have to be on a wind up.... if not I pity you frankly!

 

How does this make gay people harmful to kids? This is a ridiculous, utterly tragic line of argument.

I'm pretty sure that there's 'research' showing that being brought up by just one parent is not as good as being brought up by 2 (and whatever sexual orientation)
I'm sure that kids brought up in prosperous households do better than those brought up in poverty too.

What I'm absolutely sure of is that kids that are brought up by caring parents do better.

BTW what would you do if your child came home one day and announced that they were gay?

 

How can you say this when you don't even want to study the facts? You won't even read anything on the c4m website, as admitted by yourself earlier on in the thread!

Pity me all you like. Although you are wasting your "pity"

 

No this wasn't my line of argument. Excuse me if I have'nt been totally clear.

I was talking about peoples views on what is "normal"

The fact that research has shown that children do much better in a home where they have both biological mother and father as parents is towards the "we shouldnt re-difine marriage argument"

With going down quite a few rabbit holes in the debate here, things are getting a little bit overlapped.

Again I would like to re-iterate that I do NOT think homosexuals are along the same lines as pedophiles, but was using this as an example to peoples views on what is and isn't "normal"

 

If a Child of mine decided they were gay, they would already know my stance on this, but would also know that I still love them and wouldn't disown them because of this. Just because I don't agree with homosexuality doesn't mean I hate all homosexuals you know!

 

ok slightly off topic, since some of you think gayers are normal, how do you stand on gayers adopting kids?

 

I just don't get your argument sorry.

How can using pedophilia helpful to this debate? Nobody would argue that THAT behaviour is abnormal (or illegal for that matter), whereas 2 people who care for each other wishing to get married, is quite hard to think of as abnormal. Actually I think it abnormal to get so upset by the prospect of it.

 

Facts and propaganda to support some ridiculous backward beliefs are two different things. I am clever enough to know which is on your favourite website and I won't be wasting my time!

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with homosexuality or gay marriage come to that.

 

Fine by me

 

EFA

 

I know you won't like this, but to me children need a loving home and if two homosexual people can give them that then what's the issue?

Better that than they grow up in a home where they aren't cared for properly or nurtured and I see plenty of that with some of our 'normal' heterosexuals.

Sexuality shouldn't be a factor really!

 

My advice Sambob. ?

Get some counselling, and I don't mean down your local church

Way you're goings scarier than a 12 year old apple fan

 

Nearly said the same thing myself

 

You try explaining that to a young kid who happens to find himself being bullied over having two gay dads.

For the sake of the kid it's just wrong.

 

Hmm and I wonder what kind of parents the bullies would have....

 

That's not the issue here.

 

Well maybe the bullying needs to be sorted out then? Tail wagging the dog there.

Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons. My brother was bullied yet he grew up in a home with a Mum and a Dad.

The biggest issue with bullying is the schools and ther lack of desire to deal with it, but that is a whole different debate!

At the end of the day I think a loving home is the most important thing not the sexuality of those providing it!

 

He fainted


However, imagine this
Sports day, and little Johnny's mates watching his Daddy Serge & Daddy Pete walking across the playground holding hands.

Little Johnny's school life is fcuked at that point.

 

Exactly and this would be no exception, if anything it would make a kids life in a playground a nightmare. but obviously you would be willing to put a kid through that.

 

It is EXACTLY the issue here.

Prejudice passed down to kids from bigoted parents, needs addressing by exposing the bigotry, not by continuing to deny the rights of those who are discriminated against

 

Yes, how would you feel if you were at your kids (if you even have one) sports day and you seen two gheyers holding hands infront of the kids?

I don't think I would take too kindly to it TBH.

 

Suicide springs to mind

 

And why would they be holding hands? I never saw any parents holding hands at the school sports day? Or is that what homosexuals do in public according to you? Do they throw in a bit of 'mincing' and 'flouncing' for good measure?

You really are dreaming up every stupid scenario under the sun to support your narrow minded view on this!