scooby1doo1

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Thats all well and good if you an afford to buy new or nearly new, but mines 10 yrs old now and 90k so it's getting expensive to keep. MOT cost just over 1k but that included tyres at just under £800 for 4

Matteeboy

If buying that age vehicle, I would only buy Jap.

ditchmyster

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This is why i have never owned a BMW, everyone i have known thats had one has thrown a shed load of cash at them.

Matteeboy

Whereas everyone I know has had no problems with the marque. Except my dads new (in the 70s) 323i which had s. engine blow up 18 months from new...!!

ditchmyster

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I think they are good cars when running right, and they are nice to drive and be in and i do actually like them, but even the slightest problem seems to cost an arm and a leg to fix.

I'd love to own a Z3M coupe and almost went for one in 2004, but bottled it and bought a new scooby instead.

Mcintyre19

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...01227477265691

There you go sir, lovely looking motor that is

bustaMOVEs

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An extra £6k and you could have the beast 6.5 secs 0-60
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...1501?logcode=p

Matteeboy

I love leaving them behind in a cloud of soot ;-)

bustaMOVEs

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Are you sure?? Leaving them for dust? Have you got a 335d?
A 6.0sec (BMW msport-281hp) car against a 5.8 (mb blue efficency-261hp)car 0-60
Both above cars are saloon, but the merc estate is 6.0 secs and later 2011on is 5.9
that to me is not leaving them.
And yours has more hp and torque!
It's not all about hp and power
BMW drivers will never change lol


Edit just updated specs from parkers

Mcintyre19

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...01211234359000

The 'if money no object' choice!

Matteeboy

Yes I know my rivals and that model is easy prey. A 335d does mid 5s in reality (I've got under 6 in wet conditions with a non launch start). Utter crucification of that and the 3.0tdi Audis (except the new bi-turbo model) Never change? Nope, just real life experience and facts. Factory figure for the 335d is 286bhp. Very few run in examples are less than 300.

Push it to 100 and the gap is very large.

bustaMOVEs

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And the car that you apparently blew, was it a proper c350 blue efficiency? Or was it just a c350 on the back as there is other models of this car, but I posted about the blue efficiency one as that is the fastest but the normal ones aren't.
Don't see that many on roads so you may have had a smaller engine that you raced against. I find it very hard to belive that you blew it. If anything it was still with you and you are exadurating.(BMW drivers)
Parkers is pretty accurate source of info, they take all these into account unlike autotrader specifications.

bustaMOVEs

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Unless it was a c220,c250 etc etc that you raced, as I said the c350 is not that popular on the roads. Why when the smallers engines are quick enough and better mpg and better price for the use of car that people buy them for. The big players just buy the c63

Matteeboy

Definitely 350cdi.

Find some in gear times and a 0-100 then come back to me . I can guarantee that a 335d will blow away all but the very latest c350cdi and even then, it will still pull comfortably ahead.

Only the c63 is and 350 petrol (off the line, not once rolling) will be quicker.

Edit - the 335d had 20bhp/tonne more.

bustaMOVEs

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Lol so it was just a basic c350 and NOT the blue efficiency, and 0-100 time is not useable on roads as to why I look at 0-60 times when I buy a car, tells a lot,
And you just said BUT the very latest c350 which is the blue efficiency so you have just admitted it there. And that's the one I have linked for the op which you are refering too.

bustaMOVEs

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http://fastestlaps.com/cars/mercedes_c_350.html
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_335d_e90_facelift.html
0-100 BMW 13.4 and c350 14secs and yet you say you blew it, that quite close in my book to 100mph, if anything with a keen driver it wouldn't be a case of blowing any but just a close one with maybe the BMW an inch in front.
Can't be bothered as you think the sun shines in your world.

bustaMOVEs

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You are actually crackers fella.
170 bhp per tonne
175 bhp per tonne

Just admit they are both in the same league and give up this BMW hate other cars thing.

Matteeboy

I get 153bhp tonne for the Merc and yes that's the BE one. It's a lot heavier and has less power. No hate , just very basic physics. Only thing it has in its favour is more torque but only a wee bit.

So you've shown the BM is faster yet you still don't think it's faster? Errrrmmmm....

f1_fan

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A few days ago I saw this thread and the involvement from our resident BMW 'fanatic' and thought ... this will only go one way.

Now here I am back to have a look and I was right... the really funny thing is the OP said he didn't want a f**king BMW so why is it even being discussed?

Mcintyre19

Correction - the op stated he would like a BMW however the Mrs didn't like them.

You are right though, why discuss something that he isn't going to buy

Matteeboy

I'm not a fanatic, I just like SOME of their cars.

And when someone fires a hail of abuse about me saying a car that is faster is, in fact, faster, I will respond with FACTS. For some reason that seems to irk some people.

Anyway, £14k gets you a decent 330d or a rather leggy 335d. Or an Audi A4 3.0TDI - not as fun to drive but still a decent motor and with a Milltek exhaust, they sound good too.

That's what I'd get.

bustaMOVEs

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Correction the BMW has MORE hp and tourque and the mb is actually lighter, stop concentrating on your car and have an open mind ffs.
Them 2 links I put up are a actual road tests, please read them carefully

The only reason I started debating with you is you said,' I leave them cars for dead' and I thought hang on a minute, it maybe faster but definitely not left for dead as I think both cars are in same league, so I just wanted you to actually understand that also but no, not you, you can't even admit that.
I'm not saying anything bad about your car as I like both (I have an open mind) and to think I'm getting a BMW next(hope I don't turn into you).

So I just wanted to get that clear, I wasn't insulting you or your car, just was concerned on the comment you made in blowing a c350.

bustaMOVEs

iTrader: (31)

Anyway back on topic,

Op have you decided what your missus likes?

scooby1doo1

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Well I had a bad miss fire on the X5 and plugged into 1.4 scanner, and to my relieve it was a £50 coil pack on cylinder 2 but still selling it.
It is a nice place to be and you can see over cars, after driving around in a vauxhall Astra Evan on a 61 plate my old X5 was welcomed back, but quality is going to have to go in place of reliabity.

Matteeboy

Right, please link to your sources. I will link to mine.

BMW 335d Touring (as that's what I have) kerb weight: 1645kg

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ng-2005/41414/

Mercedes 350CDI estate kerb weight: 1760kg which is a very large person HEAVIER.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...te-2008/50747/

You'll also see that the BMW has a fair bit MORE bhp but LESS torque - 286/428 vs 261/457

You'll also note that 261/1.740 = a bhp/tonne of 150 for the Merc
And 286 (parkers has the factory figure slightly wrong and most are over 300 - mine is 304bhp) /1.645 = 173 for the BM. For mine the number should be 183bhp/tonne. Thats's a LOT more. In fact it's the MORE than the difference between my old 150bhp diesel Astra and the Merc C350CDI. Would you say my Astra would not be "burned off" by the Merc?!


Now call me whatever you want but when someone talks BS THEN insults me for defending FACTS then I WILL bite back.

I could also quote FACTS like the BMW has a smaller boot. And a six speed rather than a 7 speed auto - would you also insult me for those FACTS too?

0-60 times are notoriously unreliable as a measure of performance. Look at a Scoob; cracking times but they soon run out of puff. Look at Audis often dodgy numbers - helped by 4WD for most but then they tail off. A BMW M135i beats an RS3 to 140 but gets nailed to 60. You should KNOW that.

Now here is the space reserved for your apology

.....

Back on topic - any closer to deciding yet OP?

bustaMOVEs

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This was my other source when you said parkers was incorrect, so when you asked for a in gear test I linked this^

Lol you really are getting wound up aren't you, firstly it was your attitude that you think I'm insulting you,but infact I'm just having a adult conversation with you, and I have never said that your car is slower, read my posts before you get wound up, I questioned you as per your comment of leaving it for dust, which to me is 100bhp vs 200bhp type of car, that's leaving it for dust.

So you have a estate? You never mentioned that though did you, I was being fair and assuming you had a saloon so I compared to a saloons. But it still is very similar in times but weight diffrence, and defiantly NOT left for dead as you make out.

So assuming you know your car has 304hp, assuming you have a dyno graph for that or is it rumoured of BMW forums? (have you had it mapped? As that could explain a lot)

When you say 0-60 are un reliable, I put a actuall road test link up ^^^ which you have clearly ignored.

As for appoligy, why when I'm just questioning you about your original comment of 'leaving it for dust' and having a discussion with you about it debating, not that your car is slower (which I haven't said anywhere) but that's what your acting like, it's a discussion that in fact I found it hard to belive that you left it for dead as per your comment exadurating.

Now it seems you feel like I'm mocking you or insulting you which I don't recall doing so, to me your just very protective of your car.

I already agreed that the two cars a in a very similar league and that the BMW would be slightly in front, but not blown away as you made out in your original statement. But your still trying to say that your car is faster, which is not what we are talking about so stay on subject or your original comment. Sigh!!!

Now I'm gonna leave it at this as f1 fan was right in his comment and not going to carry on and spoil the ops thread. Can carry on in FC if you wish as it could be fun

Matteeboy

Busta; fair enough, I think we've exhausted this one now. A mate runs an Indy BM garage and gave it a go on his dyno. TBH they all differ (there's no real calibration method) and are there more to show differences pre and post remap (which they do) but it gives an idea. It feels a lot livelier than 286bhp and I'm confident I would get mid 5s on a dry, proper launch. Hit 6s in the pi55ing rain " launching" from idling. It may just be a healthy example; I do look after it well.

The real test would be to 100 but Cornwall lacks any non potholed airfields except one used by the RAF!