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What about people in Northumberland and Newcastle - just over the border yet they don't get all the incentives and promises of investment etc
Must be a bit galling for people up north, but not quite north enough
Maybe this is the death nell of such a London/SE centric United Kingdom
Must be a bit galling for people up north, but not quite north enough
Maybe this is the death nell of such a London/SE centric United Kingdom
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I really don't see why Spain would care. Country X getting independence does not mean coutnry Y will get it. This is not a precedent in law that applies across the EU, this is a matter for the UK, and the UK only. It doesn't matter if the whole of the EU breaks up apart from Spain, if they dno't want the Basques to go it alone, they don't have to let it happen.
OK, it may mean more terrorism, but that's not the same at all. Allowing Scotland in to the EU has no effect on whether Spain allows any autonomy to a region that wishes for independence!
OK, it may mean more terrorism, but that's not the same at all. Allowing Scotland in to the EU has no effect on whether Spain allows any autonomy to a region that wishes for independence!
Several EU members have issues with succession. Unfortunately for Scotland some states have a strong principled opposition to succession. Spain, Romania, Cyprus and Greece (and the EU) for instance still do not recognise Kosovan independence.
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It's not just the Basque region the Spanish will argue, they could also argue fishing rights.
Several EU members have issues with succession. Unfortunately for Scotland some states have a strong principled opposition to succession. Spain, Romania, Cyprus and Greece (and the EU) for instance still do not recognise Kosovan independence.
Several EU members have issues with succession. Unfortunately for Scotland some states have a strong principled opposition to succession. Spain, Romania, Cyprus and Greece (and the EU) for instance still do not recognise Kosovan independence.
I'm fairly sure EU members would take a dim view of Scotland if they walk away from their share of the national debt.
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Hi Paul living here in Scotland I am seeing first hand whats happening here and to say its electric is a understatement the BBC are having a blackout on whats happening here showing only small amounts of us yes voters congregating when scotlands coming out in there masses to vote yes I cannot describe what I am seeing its a pity south of the border cant see it with censorship from biased medias, at 1.25 in the video you see Edinburgh march which the BBC said 8000 people marched when it was 30000 people marching whether you you agree with salmond the people of scotland are rallying behind him which the medias are not showing you south of the boarder, I hope both england and scotland can be the united as friends after independence happens bud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
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But the yes vote is not about Salmond really is it, the Scots know (because they a pretty savvy in theses matters) that the Yes vote is way more than a vote for the SNP
It is a vote for independence - as the late great Robin Day once said to Sir John Knot "your are a here today gone tomorrow politician" - much like Salmond
Presumably independence will outlive him
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Hi Paul living here in Scotland I am seeing first hand whats happening here and to say its electric is a understatement the BBC are having a blackout on whats happening here showing only small amounts of us yes voters congregating when scotlands coming out in there masses to vote yes I cannot describe what I am seeing its a pity south of the border cant see it with censorship from biased medias, at 1.25 in the video you see Edinburgh march which the BBC said 8000 people marched when it was 30000 people marching whether you you agree with salmond the people of scotland are rallying behind him which the medias are not showing you south of the boarder, I hope both england and scotland can be the united as friends after independence happens bud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
Looks like its a yes independence Scotland then ?
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Sure, Salmond is a politician (a pretty accomplished one who has run rings around Cameron, Milliband Darling etc)
But the yes vote is not about Salmond really is it, the Scots know (because they a pretty savvy in theses matters) that the Yes vote is way more than a vote for the SNP
It is a vote for independence - as the late great Robin Day once said to Sir John Knot "your are a here today gone tomorrow politician" - much like Salmond
Presumably independence will outlive him
But the yes vote is not about Salmond really is it, the Scots know (because they a pretty savvy in theses matters) that the Yes vote is way more than a vote for the SNP
It is a vote for independence - as the late great Robin Day once said to Sir John Knot "your are a here today gone tomorrow politician" - much like Salmond
Presumably independence will outlive him
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I was particularly impressed with Salmond's answer to what are you going to do in the event of a Yes vote and any market turmoil that many occur on Friday.
"That's the Bank of England's problem"
"That's the Bank of England's problem"
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£400 mil is the number from April next year, not post independence.
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I don't think he will - but its not necessarily his call. Its whoever gets voted into power in 2016.
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What little unacceptable behaviour there has been has been equal on both sides, but you won't see this in the mainstream media:
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...lism-1-3536766
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Hi Paul living here in Scotland I am seeing first hand whats happening here and to say its electric is a understatement the BBC are having a blackout on whats happening here showing only small amounts of us yes voters congregating when scotlands coming out in there masses to vote yes I cannot describe what I am seeing its a pity south of the border cant see it with censorship from biased medias, at 1.25 in the video you see Edinburgh march which the BBC said 8000 people marched when it was 30000 people marching whether you you agree with salmond the people of scotland are rallying behind him which the medias are not showing you south of the boarder, I hope both england and scotland can be the united as friends after independence happens bud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
If the yes vote wins I give it about 5 mins until all the hate towards westminster and the bbc etc is redirected to the new government or who ever has any power or say. Its just small person syndrome.
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Its a farce Chris. Thankfully people up here are smart enough to realise that.
What little unacceptable behaviour there has been has been equal on both sides, but you won't see this in the mainstream media:
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...lism-1-3536766
What little unacceptable behaviour there has been has been equal on both sides, but you won't see this in the mainstream media:
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...lism-1-3536766
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To be fair, I suppose all you have to compare it to is rioting, looting and fighting, which is what generally what happens when you have large numbers of English people demonstrating together so I can excuse your inability to see it for what it is.
If the yes vote wins I give it about 5 mins until all the hate towards westminster and the bbc etc is redirected to the new government or who ever has any power or say. Its just small person syndrome.
You do know that if the yes vote wins independence won't take place until March 2016?
Whats going to be much more interesting will be if the No vote wins watching Cameron, Clegg and Milliband having to backtrack on the promise of new powers for Scotland
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It's not as if the BBC have been proven time and time again to have been maniplated. I mean, come on, using the media as a proganda machine has never happened before now, has it
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Hi Paul living here in Scotland I am seeing first hand whats happening here and to say its electric is a understatement the BBC are having a blackout on whats happening here showing only small amounts of us yes voters congregating when scotlands coming out in there masses to vote yes I cannot describe what I am seeing its a pity south of the border cant see it with censorship from biased medias, at 1.25 in the video you see Edinburgh march which the BBC said 8000 people marched when it was 30000 people marching whether you you agree with salmond the people of scotland are rallying behind him which the medias are not showing you south of the boarder, I hope both england and scotland can be the united as friends after independence happens bud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEF1...ature=youtu.be
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I'm beginning to think that the Yes campaign should win as, with the divide this has created in the UK, I think it will be less painful for the rUK. At least with an iScotland, everyone knows where they stand and Scots can no longer blame UK for the woes they will go through as the cost of independence finally hits home. That is if iScotland does not continue to cling on to the purse strings of the Bank of England. If BoE and Westminster continue to have control over iScotland's monetary policy, it will just breed animosity.
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That video simply shows the passion and support thousands upon thousands of Scottish people have to be masters of their own destiny.
To be fair, I suppose all you have to compare it to is rioting, looting and fighting, which is what generally what happens when you have large numbers of English people demonstrating together so I can excuse your inability to see it for what it is.
Are you for real?
You do know that if the yes vote wins independence won't take place until March 2016?
Whats going to be much more interesting will be if the No vote wins watching Cameron, Clegg and Milliband having to backtrack on the promise of new powers for Scotland
To be fair, I suppose all you have to compare it to is rioting, looting and fighting, which is what generally what happens when you have large numbers of English people demonstrating together so I can excuse your inability to see it for what it is.
Are you for real?
You do know that if the yes vote wins independence won't take place until March 2016?
Whats going to be much more interesting will be if the No vote wins watching Cameron, Clegg and Milliband having to backtrack on the promise of new powers for Scotland
Masters of their own destiny bankers will still run the moneys, mp's will still be in charge, you cant honestly expect to be the country that produces decent mp's and bankers that dont put themselves first.
English people already have the power that you so crave if what the yes camp say is to be believed and we still dont get the county we want.
Just you wait until the big boys like USA etc and the rest of the uk who are Scotlands biggest market by a long shot start to lean on you
oh and stop telling us that we dont know what is going on in Scotland, that may or may not be true but by your logic you have no idea what is going on down here. You also keep talking about Scottish people like they are from a different planet to the English.
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When I say 5 mins I didn't actually mean 5 mins, more like a few years but relatively speaking thats nothing.
Masters of their own destiny bankers will still run the moneys, mp's will still be in charge, you cant honestly expect to be the country that produces decent mp's and bankers that dont put themselves first.
English people already have the power that you so crave if what the yes camp say is to be believed and we still dont get the county we want.
Just you wait until the big boys like USA etc and the rest of the uk who are Scotlands biggest market by a long shot start to lean on you
oh and stop telling us that we dont know what is going on in Scotland, that may or may not be true but by your logic you have no idea what is going on down here. You also keep talking about Scottish people like they are from a different planet to the English.
Masters of their own destiny bankers will still run the moneys, mp's will still be in charge, you cant honestly expect to be the country that produces decent mp's and bankers that dont put themselves first.
English people already have the power that you so crave if what the yes camp say is to be believed and we still dont get the county we want.
Just you wait until the big boys like USA etc and the rest of the uk who are Scotlands biggest market by a long shot start to lean on you
oh and stop telling us that we dont know what is going on in Scotland, that may or may not be true but by your logic you have no idea what is going on down here. You also keep talking about Scottish people like they are from a different planet to the English.
Because you are too weak to stand up against the odds and show you have the ***** to do what you feel is right dont mock other people who are confident enough to do what you cannot
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When I say 5 mins I didn't actually mean 5 mins, more like a few years but relatively speaking thats nothing.
Masters of their own destiny bankers will still run the moneys, mp's will still be in charge, you cant honestly expect to be the country that produces decent mp's and bankers that dont put themselves first.
English people already have the power that you so crave if what the yes camp say is to be believed and we still dont get the county we want.
Just you wait until the big boys like USA etc and the rest of the uk who are Scotlands biggest market by a long shot start to lean on you
oh and stop telling us that we dont know what is going on in Scotland, that may or may not be true but by your logic you have no idea what is going on down here. You also keep talking about Scottish people like they are from a different planet to the English.
Masters of their own destiny bankers will still run the moneys, mp's will still be in charge, you cant honestly expect to be the country that produces decent mp's and bankers that dont put themselves first.
English people already have the power that you so crave if what the yes camp say is to be believed and we still dont get the county we want.
Just you wait until the big boys like USA etc and the rest of the uk who are Scotlands biggest market by a long shot start to lean on you
oh and stop telling us that we dont know what is going on in Scotland, that may or may not be true but by your logic you have no idea what is going on down here. You also keep talking about Scottish people like they are from a different planet to the English.
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Whatever the outcome, you are gonna have a nation divided. Roughly 50/50 on union and independence. Well done Salmond for polarising your population so badly in search of your personal dream.
And the sad thing is, it will make hardly any difference to the average man in the street whether you are part of the union or not. But, whichever way it goes, he has p1ssed off half the population
And the sad thing is, it will make hardly any difference to the average man in the street whether you are part of the union or not. But, whichever way it goes, he has p1ssed off half the population