97TURBO

I reckon many of the no voters would be a bit like myself in that their instinct(heart) was to actually vote yes, but it would be for all the wrong reasons. The head on this occassion ruled. Thats how it was for me and im happy to remain as we are.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

F**ked, like the rest of us?

97TURBO

in what way though?
Again its down to the individuals situation, my own in the last 5 years has been a good one and im happy to keep sailing in that direction.

Alan Jeffery

Seriously, if you hate the UK so much, why don't you just sod off?
I'm sick of whingers like you who do nothing but complain. If you want to improve something, get off your **** and do it or shut up.
Some of us like Great Britain warts and all.

thenewgalaxy

We do live in an absolutely brilliant country.

Very few I'd rather live in!

Carnut

Well said the both of you

Plus I cant help think that the true strength of a man is shown when the going is bad, did the Scottish people ask Salmond to step down because I thought he said he would stand by Scotland in the event of a "NO" victory, infact was it not him that was getting the no camp to commit to coming together in a victory for "YES"?

g7prs

iTrader: (5)

The people of Glasgow might disagree this evening.

Alan Jeffery

I think some of them will get over it when the benefit of all that world wide publicity hits. What's come out of it is what an amazing place Scotland looks on the telly. Despite the fact that I get nosebleeds if travelling further North than Bristol, I may even try a visit myself!

Martin2005

All eyes turn to Scotland again next week....

RYDER CUP!!!!

jasey

I think g7prs is referring to the ****e going down in Glasgow from the bigots of Glasgow (or wherever they're from).

Glasgow trouble

Martin2005

Rangers fans - just what the world needs

g7prs

iTrader: (5)

Scotland had enough problems before this with these halfwits.

RA Dunk

Luckily with Rangers (Unionists morons) being demoted to the lower leagues in Sottish football these ar3eholes have not had many chances to raise their ugly heads, till now. and they are back with a vengance.

Utter scum.

hodgy0_2

Either Salmon or Cameron would have stepped down/resigned, whatever they or anyone else said

That's the reality

The NO vote gave him no choice

ditchmyster

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Aye, I bet he's on the bender of the century.

hodgy0_2

the backtracking from Westminster seems to have started - lol

f1_fan

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EFA

You seem surprised, this is what football is about. I keep saying it and the blinkered that follow this stupid sport keep saying otherwise, but it keeps happening and the common theme in all this sort of thing is... football!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Just for the record I'm sick of people like you that won't hear a bad word said about the country and are part of the reason we are where we are.

You have no idea what I have done or not done about anything yet as per the SN norm you are happy to judge away based on no facts or knowledge.

Oh and I will f**k off when I'm good and ready thanks not when some no mark on an Internet forum has a pop.

RA Dunk

In all fairness to Martin (I bloody well can't believe I just openly said that) Rangers supporters a certain group of them at least are the most bigoted of the lot, They inocorporate Religion, Politics and sectaranism into sport, normally it's only the Catholic section of Scotland they show hostility to but last night it was everyone.

Unfortunately most football clubs have ars3hole supporters, some have alot more then others though.

RA Dunk

and here is the flip side of that coin, Glasgow last night, more like something from Northern Ireland in the mid Eighties..



Glasgow Herald building, the only paper to openly support independance..

Alan Jeffery

WE are fine. I started out from nothing being born in the early fifties to a typical post war working family. By hard work and enterprise I have built up a good life for myself and my family. I didn't end up owning a large house in the country by lying back and moaning about the poor deal offered to me.

I am judging you by the stupid things you say. Try talking sense and maybe you'd get some respect.

If you're going anywhere "better" make it soon, yes?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And in what world would getting respect from someone like you make a jot of difference to me?

The need to brag about the large house in the country and the oh so familiar rags to riches story makes you sound classless and so misses the point. Never mind, but well done you anyway! If that sounds patronising it was meant to!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

A timely article (and on the BBC too strangely enough) on the reality of what, for many, this country has come to...Great Britain... warts and all

The unbearable sadness of the Welsh valleys

RA Dunk

Speaking of the Beeb, Reporters told not too cover the Glasgow Riots last night.

https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net...aa06277fbcf527

Alan Jeffery

I meant respect from anyone reading this..

If you want to moan about the country you live in, try one that has real problems, like just about everywhere else.
My parents were brought up in real poverty and deprivation in the thirties and lived through horrendous conditions during WW2. Food rationing was still going on when I was a kid. In spite of that, this country gave me the opportunity to succeed. I have three sons in University education, able to anticipate a life impossible across much of the world.
I accept the inevitable political compromises and make the best of what's in front of me.
If you want to have a really good moan, try living in Africa or Asia or the Middle East. Let us all know how you get on.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Doesn't surprise me, they are routinely told not to cover any violence related to football in any depth so this is no different.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

As I said, good for you

Alan Jeffery

Since you brought it up, what's your solution? re open the coal mines?
They blamed Thatcher for the closures, but how many mines did Labour re open when they got back in? Er, none. You also have the Greens trying to keep them shut.
If a major employer suddenly shuts up shop in an otherwise rural community like that, the results are going to be bad. I drove through Merthyr Tydfil recently, and the place is one vast building site. Somebody is spending money on the place! Hopefully things will improve.
Plymouth lost a major employer in the Dockyard, which had 20,000 in there when I went in, and now has around 5000. I guess they all found something else to do.

JGlanzaV

iTrader: (3)

Its a shame scotland didnt go, because it might have bought some jobs back to the yard....But then we would have had the "not in my back yard" brigade complaining about the subs!

RA Dunk

The same could be said of up here, if we went half of Newcastle, Sunderland and Middelsbourgh would be unemployed...