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10 September 2014, 08:12 PM
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) says there is 640m barrels, Alex Salmond is saying there is 21bn barrels, bit of a discrepancy between the reality and the fantasy figures, much like all the other figures provided by the SNP. 
10 September 2014, 08:15 PM
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Well you as the oil expert (though it becoming clear is it like me saying I eat pizzas so I know all about Italian cooking ) says there is 640m barrels, Alex Salmond is saying there is 21bn barrels, bit of a discrepancy between the reality and the fantasy figures, much like all the other figures provided by the SNP.
) says there is 640m barrels, Alex Salmond is saying there is 21bn barrels, bit of a discrepancy between the reality and the fantasy figures, much like all the other figures provided by the SNP. 
honestly so much and seeing that you are about as good about oil knowledge as I am with country finances LOL
640 million recoverable barrels for just one field " the clair ridge field "
not to mention the clair field right next to it which produces 60,000 barrels of oil per day alone and 15 million cubic feet of gas a day
with " Estimated Reserves: 7 billion barrels of oil equivalent " and a current recoverable amount without using BP's new technology low salinity water injection 250 million barrels of RECOVERABLE oil which since 2005 has produced 80 million barrels in the last 9 years for this one field just on its own
http://abarrelfull.wikidot.com/clair-oil-field
There are loads of oil fields for christ sake this is just two of them
I will give you this you did beat me with finances as I dont know enough about it
but you know absolutely jack **** about oil where my background sits
Thing is if I am wrong I will put my hand up and say yes I am wrong as seen earlier
where you will sidestep dodge and squirm your way out of it LOL
a list of all scotlands oil fields just for you
Offshore (Central North Sea)
Argyll & Duncan Oilfields - Rotliegend / Zechstein
Auk oilfield - Rotliegend / Zechstein, Operated by Talisman Energy
Clyde oilfield - Fulmar sandstone operated by Talisman Energy
Fulmar oilfield - Fulmar sandstone, Operated by Talisman Energy
J-Block gasfield - Triassic, Chalk and Palaeocene, operated by ConocoPhillips
Elgin-Franklin gasfield - Fulmar sandtone and Middle Jurassic, operated by Total S.A.
Shearwater gas/condensate field - Jurassic Fulmar sandstone - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Erskine gasfield -Middle Jurassic sandstone - operated by Chevron
Gannet oilfield (A, B, C, D, E, F and G) - Eocene, Palaeocene and Jurassic - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Scoter gas/condensate field - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Merganser gas/condensate field - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Pierce oilfield - Palaeocene - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
ETAP gas field complex includes Marnock, Machar, Monan, Mungo, Madoes and Mirren fields, Operated by BP
Heron Cluster oil fields - Triassic Skagerrak Formation - includes Heron, Egret and Skua - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Arbroath oilfield - Plaeocene, Forties Sandstone, operated by Talisman Energy
Blane oil field - Paleocene, Forties Sandstone, operated by Talisman Energy
Montrose oilfield - Paleocene, Forties Sandstone, operated by Talisman Energy
Lomond gasfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone operated by BG Group
Everest gasfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone operated by BG Group
Armada gasfields - Palaeocene and Jurassic Fulmar, operated by BG Group
Kittiwake oilfield - Operated by Petrofac
Nelson oilfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone, Operated by Shell Oil
Forties oilfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone operated by Apache North Sea
Britannia gasfield - Lower Cretaceous, Operated by ConocoPhillips and Chevron
Alba oilfield - Eocene operated by Chevron
Buchan oil field - Devonian Sandstone - Operated by Talisman Energy
Ettrick oilfield - Upper Jurassic
Buzzard oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Nexen, largest discovery in last 25 years
Andrew oilfield - Palaeocene, operated by BP
Moira oilfield - Palaeocene
Maureen oilfield - Palaeocene (abandoned, platform removed) was operated by Phillips Petroleum)
Cyrus oilfield - Palaeocene
Balmoral oilfield - Palaeocene
Gryphon oilfield- Eocene Operated by Maersk Oil
Harding oilfield - Eocene Operated by TAQA (formally BP)
Tiffany oilfield - Upper Jurassic
Toni oilfield - Upper Jurassic (subsea tie back to Tiffany)
Thelma oilfield - Upper Jurassic (subsea tie back to Tiffany)
Sycamore oilfield - Upper Jurassic (subsea tie back to Tiffany and Brae)
Brae oilfield Upper Jurassic (several satellite accumulations) operated by Marathon Oil
Miller oilfield - Operated by BP
Offshore (Moray Firth) (Serviced from Aberdeen)
Beatrice oilfield- Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy
Unnamed, yet, Senergy
Claymore oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy
Piper oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy, produced from Piper Bravo platform after loss of Piper Alpha
Tartan oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy
Scott oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Nexen
Ross oilfield - Upper Jurassic (small development by Talisman Energy; within sight of Peterhead)
Blake oilfield -Lower Cretaceous, operated by BG Group
Offshore (Northern North Sea) (serviced from Aberdeen)
Beryl oilfield upper Jurassic operated by Apache North Sea (with offshoots to Linhe, Ness...)
Bressay oilfield
Bentley Oil Field south east of Bressay and owned by Xcite
Emerald oilfield
Captain Oilfield operated by Chevron it contains two platforms the WPP linked to the BLP by a bridge and an FPSO for oil storage. The field also has a tie in to the Frigg system to pump gas
Strathspey oilfield (Subsea tie-back to Ninian Central)
Columba oilfield (extended-reach drilling from Ninian platforms)
Ninian oilfield 3 platforms operated by Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Lyell oilfield - Operated by Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Heather oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by EnQuest PLC
Brent oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by Shell (4 main platforms, plus Brent Spar)
Dunlin oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by Fairfield
Hutton oilfield (produced from the innovative Tension-leg platform; decommissioned 2001 was operated by Conoco)
Cormorant oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by TAQA
Tern oilfield Operated by TAQA formerly by Shell Oil
Eider oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by TAQA
Murchison oilfield Straddles the Norwegian median line. Operated by Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Don oilfield
Magnus oilfield - Operated by BP
North Alwyn oilfield - Operated by Total S.A.
Dunbar oilfield - Operated by Total S.A.
Offshore (West of Shetland) (Serviced from Aberdeen)
Clair oilfield - Operated by BP. A very large, but high viscosity field.
Schiehallion oilfield - Operated by BP
Foinaven oilfield - Operated by Teekay Petrojarl on behalf of BP Rish
Argyll & Duncan Oilfields - Rotliegend / Zechstein
Auk oilfield - Rotliegend / Zechstein, Operated by Talisman Energy
Clyde oilfield - Fulmar sandstone operated by Talisman Energy
Fulmar oilfield - Fulmar sandstone, Operated by Talisman Energy
J-Block gasfield - Triassic, Chalk and Palaeocene, operated by ConocoPhillips
Elgin-Franklin gasfield - Fulmar sandtone and Middle Jurassic, operated by Total S.A.
Shearwater gas/condensate field - Jurassic Fulmar sandstone - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Erskine gasfield -Middle Jurassic sandstone - operated by Chevron
Gannet oilfield (A, B, C, D, E, F and G) - Eocene, Palaeocene and Jurassic - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Scoter gas/condensate field - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Merganser gas/condensate field - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Pierce oilfield - Palaeocene - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
ETAP gas field complex includes Marnock, Machar, Monan, Mungo, Madoes and Mirren fields, Operated by BP
Heron Cluster oil fields - Triassic Skagerrak Formation - includes Heron, Egret and Skua - operated by Shell U.K. Limited
Arbroath oilfield - Plaeocene, Forties Sandstone, operated by Talisman Energy
Blane oil field - Paleocene, Forties Sandstone, operated by Talisman Energy
Montrose oilfield - Paleocene, Forties Sandstone, operated by Talisman Energy
Lomond gasfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone operated by BG Group
Everest gasfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone operated by BG Group
Armada gasfields - Palaeocene and Jurassic Fulmar, operated by BG Group
Kittiwake oilfield - Operated by Petrofac
Nelson oilfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone, Operated by Shell Oil
Forties oilfield - Palaeocene, Forties Sandstone operated by Apache North Sea
Britannia gasfield - Lower Cretaceous, Operated by ConocoPhillips and Chevron
Alba oilfield - Eocene operated by Chevron
Buchan oil field - Devonian Sandstone - Operated by Talisman Energy
Ettrick oilfield - Upper Jurassic
Buzzard oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Nexen, largest discovery in last 25 years
Andrew oilfield - Palaeocene, operated by BP
Moira oilfield - Palaeocene
Maureen oilfield - Palaeocene (abandoned, platform removed) was operated by Phillips Petroleum)
Cyrus oilfield - Palaeocene
Balmoral oilfield - Palaeocene
Gryphon oilfield- Eocene Operated by Maersk Oil
Harding oilfield - Eocene Operated by TAQA (formally BP)
Tiffany oilfield - Upper Jurassic
Toni oilfield - Upper Jurassic (subsea tie back to Tiffany)
Thelma oilfield - Upper Jurassic (subsea tie back to Tiffany)
Sycamore oilfield - Upper Jurassic (subsea tie back to Tiffany and Brae)
Brae oilfield Upper Jurassic (several satellite accumulations) operated by Marathon Oil
Miller oilfield - Operated by BP
Offshore (Moray Firth) (Serviced from Aberdeen)
Beatrice oilfield- Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy
Unnamed, yet, Senergy
Claymore oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy
Piper oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy, produced from Piper Bravo platform after loss of Piper Alpha
Tartan oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Talisman Energy
Scott oilfield - Upper Jurassic operated by Nexen
Ross oilfield - Upper Jurassic (small development by Talisman Energy; within sight of Peterhead)
Blake oilfield -Lower Cretaceous, operated by BG Group
Offshore (Northern North Sea) (serviced from Aberdeen)
Beryl oilfield upper Jurassic operated by Apache North Sea (with offshoots to Linhe, Ness...)
Bressay oilfield
Bentley Oil Field south east of Bressay and owned by Xcite
Emerald oilfield
Captain Oilfield operated by Chevron it contains two platforms the WPP linked to the BLP by a bridge and an FPSO for oil storage. The field also has a tie in to the Frigg system to pump gas
Strathspey oilfield (Subsea tie-back to Ninian Central)
Columba oilfield (extended-reach drilling from Ninian platforms)
Ninian oilfield 3 platforms operated by Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Lyell oilfield - Operated by Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Heather oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by EnQuest PLC
Brent oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by Shell (4 main platforms, plus Brent Spar)
Dunlin oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by Fairfield
Hutton oilfield (produced from the innovative Tension-leg platform; decommissioned 2001 was operated by Conoco)
Cormorant oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by TAQA
Tern oilfield Operated by TAQA formerly by Shell Oil
Eider oilfield Middle Jurassic operated by TAQA
Murchison oilfield Straddles the Norwegian median line. Operated by Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Don oilfield
Magnus oilfield - Operated by BP
North Alwyn oilfield - Operated by Total S.A.
Dunbar oilfield - Operated by Total S.A.
Offshore (West of Shetland) (Serviced from Aberdeen)
Clair oilfield - Operated by BP. A very large, but high viscosity field.
Schiehallion oilfield - Operated by BP
Foinaven oilfield - Operated by Teekay Petrojarl on behalf of BP Rish
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10 September 2014, 09:01 PM
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Will be interesting to see once you've got your independance in the future will you be looking at reinstating Scottish royalty and if so how much of the Crown Jewels etc you would be demanding back.
10 September 2014, 09:12 PM
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not looking so bright for the three stooges visiting scotland LOL
Polls Update - Aug / Sept
Mumsnet.com 984 polled - 48% yes 41% no 11% don't know.
Coatbridge Museum 5020 votes - 81% yes 19% no
RIC polls (excl don't knows)..National Canvass on 18,012 polled found 63% yes 37% no.
Also in mid August, RIC targeted smaller polls (300 / 400 to 1800) in areas which were or still are Labour strongholds. The results were:-.......
Bonny Rig .................65% yes 35% no.
Charleston, Dundee...73% yes 27% no.
Clydebank..................60% yes 40% no.
Easterhouse...............76% yes 24% no.
Greenock ..................65% yes 35% no.
Hamilton ...................73% yes 27% no.
Kirkcaldy....................70% yes 30 % no.
Seaton in Aberdeen...71% yes 29% no.
Shetland and Orkney..82% wish to remain part of Scotland and not UK. (Press & Journal poll of Islander voters, published Aug 19th.)
Polls Update - Aug / Sept
Mumsnet.com 984 polled - 48% yes 41% no 11% don't know.
Coatbridge Museum 5020 votes - 81% yes 19% no
RIC polls (excl don't knows)..National Canvass on 18,012 polled found 63% yes 37% no.
Also in mid August, RIC targeted smaller polls (300 / 400 to 1800) in areas which were or still are Labour strongholds. The results were:-.......
Bonny Rig .................65% yes 35% no.
Charleston, Dundee...73% yes 27% no.
Clydebank..................60% yes 40% no.
Easterhouse...............76% yes 24% no.
Greenock ..................65% yes 35% no.
Hamilton ...................73% yes 27% no.
Kirkcaldy....................70% yes 30 % no.
Seaton in Aberdeen...71% yes 29% no.
Shetland and Orkney..82% wish to remain part of Scotland and not UK. (Press & Journal poll of Islander voters, published Aug 19th.)
10 September 2014, 09:28 PM
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You are right on one thing you are not a expert thats for damn sure
But with 10 years in the oil fields in the field of oil well logging " just so you know what logging is its when a team which i was part off go out and scan oil wells to see whats down there with specialised logging tools and then tell the rig what in the well"
I am in a much better knowledge than you ever will be on the subject
Oil produced was down due to the reason i gave not because it was harder to recover
How do i know this ????????
Because i am in this industry and have been for the last 10 years and have people i am friends with and work with all over this particular industry
some oil fields are becoming harder to produce like the marathon brae fields which i spent a year working on
but there are lots of other rigs are producing hundreds of thousands of barrels
not to mention fracking which turned all the unrecoverable oil wells in the USA back into mass producers turning USA from a mass importer of oil into a exporter of oil
You know jack **** about oil recovery,,, what was your work background ?
And in just one field alone BP states that there is 640 million RECOVERABLE barrels alone sitting in the clair ridge
But you know very little of this
But with 10 years in the oil fields in the field of oil well logging " just so you know what logging is its when a team which i was part off go out and scan oil wells to see whats down there with specialised logging tools and then tell the rig what in the well"
I am in a much better knowledge than you ever will be on the subject
Oil produced was down due to the reason i gave not because it was harder to recover
How do i know this ????????
Because i am in this industry and have been for the last 10 years and have people i am friends with and work with all over this particular industry
some oil fields are becoming harder to produce like the marathon brae fields which i spent a year working on
but there are lots of other rigs are producing hundreds of thousands of barrels
not to mention fracking which turned all the unrecoverable oil wells in the USA back into mass producers turning USA from a mass importer of oil into a exporter of oil
You know jack **** about oil recovery,,, what was your work background ?
And in just one field alone BP states that there is 640 million RECOVERABLE barrels alone sitting in the clair ridge
But you know very little of this
It does not matter how much oil there is, or how hard it is to recover. Look,let's make this simple for you. You have something, anything, which you have to extract before you can sell it. It could be oil,it could be limestone, it could be whatever you want. If you cannot extract it at a low enough cost compared to how much you can sell it for, you will not bother.
One day this will happen. No matter how much you don't want it to, it will. If you cannot understand that there really is no point.
10 September 2014, 09:33 PM
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honestly so much and seeing that you are about as good about oil knowledge as I am with country finances LOL
640 million recoverable barrels for just one field " the clair ridge field "
not to mention the clair field right next to it which produces 60,000 barrels of oil per day alone and 15 million cubic feet of gas a day
with " Estimated Reserves: 7 billion barrels of oil equivalent " and a current recoverable amount without using BP's new technology low salinity water injection 250 million barrels of RECOVERABLE oil which since 2005 has produced 80 million barrels in the last 9 years for this one field just on its own
http://abarrelfull.wikidot.com/clair-oil-field
There are loads of oil fields for christ sake this is just two of them
I will give you this you did beat me with finances as I dont know enough about it
but you know absolutely jack **** about oil where my background sits
Thing is if I am wrong I will put my hand up and say yes I am wrong as seen earlier
where you will sidestep dodge and squirm your way out of it LOL
a list of all scotlands oil fields just for you
Though I've never professed to be an expert of anything. So does that list of fields come to a total of 21bn barrels of oil reserves left, reserves meaning technically and economically proven which the pro yes are claiming, or is that another assumption?
10 September 2014, 09:38 PM
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You really can't be this dim,can you?
It does not matter how much oil there is, or how hard it is to recover. Look,let's make this simple for you. You have something, anything, which you have to extract before you can sell it. It could be oil,it could be limestone, it could be whatever you want. If you cannot extract it at a low enough cost compared to how much you can sell it for, you will not bother.
One day this will happen. No matter how much you don't want it to, it will. If you cannot understand that there really is no point.
It does not matter how much oil there is, or how hard it is to recover. Look,let's make this simple for you. You have something, anything, which you have to extract before you can sell it. It could be oil,it could be limestone, it could be whatever you want. If you cannot extract it at a low enough cost compared to how much you can sell it for, you will not bother.
One day this will happen. No matter how much you don't want it to, it will. If you cannot understand that there really is no point.
Jesus christ are you really this dim
this is not just happening in the north sea its happening all over the planet in all oil production countrys
and what happens when supply is low and demand is high the price goes up for crying out loud this is basic economics.
so those expensive oil fields start getting more money per barrel so more money goes to recovering that oil.
it will be 30 to 40 years away before this happens and new fields being found very frequently
you sound like its happening tomorrow how narrow sighted you are
and even BP with its brand new oil recovery technology low salinity water injection which costs extremely little at $3 per barrel which is the price they stated making oil recovery even easier and much more cheaper to do
and what about the west coast of scotland which has been untouched by drilling
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10 September 2014, 09:41 PM
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You really can't be this dim,can you?
It does not matter how much oil there is, or how hard it is to recover. Look,let's make this simple for you. You have something, anything, which you have to extract before you can sell it. It could be oil,it could be limestone, it could be whatever you want. If you cannot extract it at a low enough cost compared to how much you can sell it for, you will not bother.
One day this will happen. No matter how much you don't want it to, it will. If you cannot understand that there really is no point.
It does not matter how much oil there is, or how hard it is to recover. Look,let's make this simple for you. You have something, anything, which you have to extract before you can sell it. It could be oil,it could be limestone, it could be whatever you want. If you cannot extract it at a low enough cost compared to how much you can sell it for, you will not bother.
One day this will happen. No matter how much you don't want it to, it will. If you cannot understand that there really is no point.
It is safe to assume that the pice of oil is onl going one way over the long term
10 September 2014, 09:51 PM
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Guilty, you got me there, I made a stupid assumption! Though I've never professed to be an expert of anything.
So does that list of fields come to a total of 21bn barrels of oil reserves left, reserves meaning technically and economically proven which the pro yes are claiming, or is that another assumption?
Though I've never professed to be an expert of anything. So does that list of fields come to a total of 21bn barrels of oil reserves left, reserves meaning technically and economically proven which the pro yes are claiming, or is that another assumption?
dont worry about it I made a massive silly assumption my self with the oil revenue I was proper facepalming myself with it we are only human after all
and because I like pizza who said I never made and cooked it
that 21 billion is what they think they can recover under current technology but who knows
the fact of the matter is there is much much more oil there than they can access wayyyy more.
for instance the BP clair platform has a estimated 7 billion barrels under neath it but under current technology they can only access 250 million barrels of it.
now the race is on with how to recover un-acessable oil thats why companys like BP are developing technologys like low salinity water injection
and companys using fracking technology in the USA which supercharges the wells formation
and has been proven time and time again in canada and the usa to work extremely well
which some of my friends are from and work in these areas
and it has turned USA from a major importer of oil to a exporter of oil.
they dont use fracking on good wells they use it on dead wells where the oil was previously un accessible.
north sea has not started fracking of any sort yet but when they do it is going to be a second oil boom there.
and as eventually oil will be harder to flow price will rise per barrel making more money to extract harder to get oil
also most wells in the north sea dont need this technology yet as they are producing at crazy rates of oil flow the bp clair for instance is pumping out 60,000 barrels every single day
also that list is not a list of rigs it is a list of fields
as some of those fields might have one rig working the fields or it could have three or four rigs working the field
just so you understand how much rigs are in the north sea there are so many of them
also some of them have funny names too
there is even one called the Julia Roberts
http://brucedale.net/wordpress/?p=468
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10 September 2014, 09:55 PM
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This is why I'm all for fracking. Get rid of any reliance on Russia and have our own fuel and sell any surplus.
10 September 2014, 10:01 PM
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Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bull****’
ORDINARY Americans have warned Scotland the momentous change it is being sold is total bull****.
With Scotland’s vote for hope and change too close to call, Americans who can remember 2008 laughed, but in a really sad and painful way.
Bill McKay, from Greensburg, Pennsylvania, said: “I voted for Obama, even though I was pretty sure he was Kenyan.
“But all the other presidents we’ve had were American and the vast majority were ****. So I thought ‘let’s see how it goes with a Kenyan fella’.
“He was smart, confident and gave good speeches about hope. But then it turned out that speeches aren’t actually the same as life.”
McKay added: “That said, I have just bought myself a new car. It’s a 1992 Buick Fandango and it’s awful.”
Bethany Gordon, from Greensburg, Maryland, said: “Looking back, I’m kind of embarrassed. It’s like I was part of a cult.
“So now, whenever I meet someone who thinks politics is the answer, I remind them to shut their idiot face or I’ll set my dog on them.”
With Scotland’s vote for hope and change too close to call, Americans who can remember 2008 laughed, but in a really sad and painful way.
Bill McKay, from Greensburg, Pennsylvania, said: “I voted for Obama, even though I was pretty sure he was Kenyan.
“But all the other presidents we’ve had were American and the vast majority were ****. So I thought ‘let’s see how it goes with a Kenyan fella’.
“He was smart, confident and gave good speeches about hope. But then it turned out that speeches aren’t actually the same as life.”
McKay added: “That said, I have just bought myself a new car. It’s a 1992 Buick Fandango and it’s awful.”
Bethany Gordon, from Greensburg, Maryland, said: “Looking back, I’m kind of embarrassed. It’s like I was part of a cult.
“So now, whenever I meet someone who thinks politics is the answer, I remind them to shut their idiot face or I’ll set my dog on them.”
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10 September 2014, 10:03 PM
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I am all for fracking in the north sea as there will be a explosion of oil production with it,
but not on land rigs as fracking surges chemicals into the well formation at high pressure
creating fractures underground which could break into the water table
in the areas where its happening.
and where people live.
as the land rigs have really shallow wells ranging from 2 to 5 thousand feet deep
while offshore in the sea I have worked on wells that are 26,000 feet deep
and nobody lives anywhere near the oil rigs location LOL
10 September 2014, 10:05 PM
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ORDINARY Americans have warned Scotland the momentous change it is being sold is total bull****.
With Scotland’s vote for hope and change too close to call, Americans who can remember 2008 laughed, but in a really sad and painful way.
Bill McKay, from Greensburg, Pennsylvania, said: “I voted for Obama, even though I was pretty sure he was Kenyan.
“But all the other presidents we’ve had were American and the vast majority were ****. So I thought ‘let’s see how it goes with a Kenyan fella’.
“He was smart, confident and gave good speeches about hope. But then it turned out that speeches aren’t actually the same as life.”
McKay added: “That said, I have just bought myself a new car. It’s a 1992 Buick Fandango and it’s awful.”
Bethany Gordon, from Greensburg, Maryland, said: “Looking back, I’m kind of embarrassed. It’s like I was part of a cult.
“So now, whenever I meet someone who thinks politics is the answer, I remind them to shut their idiot face or I’ll set my dog on them.”
With Scotland’s vote for hope and change too close to call, Americans who can remember 2008 laughed, but in a really sad and painful way.
Bill McKay, from Greensburg, Pennsylvania, said: “I voted for Obama, even though I was pretty sure he was Kenyan.
“But all the other presidents we’ve had were American and the vast majority were ****. So I thought ‘let’s see how it goes with a Kenyan fella’.
“He was smart, confident and gave good speeches about hope. But then it turned out that speeches aren’t actually the same as life.”
McKay added: “That said, I have just bought myself a new car. It’s a 1992 Buick Fandango and it’s awful.”
Bethany Gordon, from Greensburg, Maryland, said: “Looking back, I’m kind of embarrassed. It’s like I was part of a cult.
“So now, whenever I meet someone who thinks politics is the answer, I remind them to shut their idiot face or I’ll set my dog on them.”
and if canada governed the USA and obama was making them independent you better believe they would see him as a icon
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What I don't understand (and forgive me for such a dim question!) is why we ever gave the Scots the opportunity to call a referendum in the first place??
Why didn't we, at the first sniff of a referendum, tell them to eff off, your part of the UK, have been for over 300 years, like it or lump it....
As they way its going, its really fecked off a lot of people who are never going to be happy, one way or another....
Is there a simple answer?
Why didn't we, at the first sniff of a referendum, tell them to eff off, your part of the UK, have been for over 300 years, like it or lump it....
As they way its going, its really fecked off a lot of people who are never going to be happy, one way or another....
Is there a simple answer?
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What I don't understand (and forgive me for such a dim question!) is why we ever gave the Scots the opportunity to call a referendum in the first place??
Why didn't we, at the first sniff of a referendum, tell them to eff off, your part of the UK, have been for over 300 years, like it or lump it....
As they way its going, its really fecked off a lot of people who are never going to be happy, one way or another....
Is there a simple answer?
Why didn't we, at the first sniff of a referendum, tell them to eff off, your part of the UK, have been for over 300 years, like it or lump it....
As they way its going, its really fecked off a lot of people who are never going to be happy, one way or another....
Is there a simple answer?
And you Sir epitomize the reason for "us Scotts" feeling so hacked off
please feel free to crawl back under the rock you came out from
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11 September 2014, 12:01 AM
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o niz, have a read of this,
http://news.sky.com/story/1333388/sc...o-independence
Both side say he is the foremost expert and he says scotland has 15 years of oil left in it.
http://news.sky.com/story/1333388/sc...o-independence
Both side say he is the foremost expert and he says scotland has 15 years of oil left in it.
11 September 2014, 12:17 AM
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o niz, have a read of this,
http://news.sky.com/story/1333388/sc...o-independence
Both side say he is the foremost expert and he says scotland has 15 years of oil left in it.
http://news.sky.com/story/1333388/sc...o-independence
Both side say he is the foremost expert and he says scotland has 15 years of oil left in it.
LOL we went over this with sir ian wood in post #1195 that is his opinion
and there are other so called foremost experts saying different as well
and bp backs the UK
do you think that if they think they will get a better deal through the uk they will back Iscotland which is a uncertainty ?
there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on right now about oil production.
so to put it bluntly I dont believe a lot of whats being said on both sides of the fence right now.
but in my opinion there will be good oil production for years to come
and the closing statement on that video says "we just dont know for sure "
and no mention what so ever on oil exploration on the untouched west coast is there ?
and BP is by far not the only oil company operating in scotland or the biggest either
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11 September 2014, 12:21 AM
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LOL we went over this with sir ian wood in post #1195 that is his opinion
and there are other so called foremost experts saying different as well
and bp backs the UK
do you think that if they think they will get a better deal through the uk they will back Iscotland which is a uncertainty ?
there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on right now about oil production.
so to put it bluntly I dont believe a lot of whats being said on both sides of the fence right now.
but in my opinion there will be good oil production for years to come
and the closing statement on that video says "we just dont know for sure "
and no mention what so ever on oil exploration on the untouched west coast is there ?
and BP is by far not the only oil company operating in scotland
and there are other so called foremost experts saying different as well
and bp backs the UK
do you think that if they think they will get a better deal through the uk they will back Iscotland which is a uncertainty ?
there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on right now about oil production.
so to put it bluntly I dont believe a lot of whats being said on both sides of the fence right now.
but in my opinion there will be good oil production for years to come
and the closing statement on that video says "we just dont know for sure "
and no mention what so ever on oil exploration on the untouched west coast is there ?
and BP is by far not the only oil company operating in scotland
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salmond has said many times that oil is seen as a bonus rather than a milestone of independence,
for the people of scotland its not all about oil tho is it
its about having the power to vote who they want to govern our country
and have our own say in our own affairs
I notice all this doom and gloom comes out one week before the vote though
when westminster and the three circus clowns are in town absolutely sh1tting themselves about independence.
There was no massive headlines two years ago saying scotland has only 17 years of oil left was there
but now we are about to vote on whether we stay in the uk and all of a sudden the world is going to end LOL
I have heard it all from mortgage scares to invasions scares to oil running out currency union scares to all sorts of bullsh!t and even more this last few days
you know what all this scare mongering just makes the yes campaign even stronger
all this from westminster whos reach is long and hard
who is in control over most of the media and is trying everything in its power to scare us,
tell me something if you were the foremost expert on a subject and somebody offers you 250k cash to say some lies would you turn it down,,,,
no would be swinging from the rooftops saying what ever they wanted you to say,
I am not saying this is the case but
westminster is exceptionally sneaky
this is a government who said iraq had WMD to the public to justify them invading it and slaughtering its people just to gain their resources
when they knew they had no WMD even before they invaded for christ sake
and do you think they will be shy to use strong arm tactics on companys like BP
and even lie and scare the public into doing what they want ?
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11 September 2014, 12:37 AM
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you say its BS, but how do you know? most of thestuyff you have come out with has come from the yes campaign, you could argue thats as much bs weighted in favour of yes.
Really does worry me that the truth of the situation for either sides argument has been lost in a political p1ss1ng contest
Really does worry me that the truth of the situation for either sides argument has been lost in a political p1ss1ng contest
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you say its BS, but how do you know? most of thestuyff you have come out with has come from the yes campaign, you could argue thats as much bs weighted in favour of yes.
Really does worry me that the truth of the situation for either sides argument has been lost in a political p1ss1ng contest
Really does worry me that the truth of the situation for either sides argument has been lost in a political p1ss1ng contest
how do you even know tidgy ?
thats why I made this statement in post #1223
there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on right now about oil production.
so to put it bluntly I dont believe a lot of whats being said on both sides of the fence right now.
but in my opinion there will be good oil production for years to come
so to put it bluntly I dont believe a lot of whats being said on both sides of the fence right now.
but in my opinion there will be good oil production for years to come
but westminster has done mountains of sinister and immoral things to make me distrust them
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tidgy are you telling me a government who invaded iraq under false pretenses
and lied to the people of the UK deliberately knowing full well that there was no
WMD's and invading Iraq killing hundreds of innocent familys with bombs when hitting there citys
will not do anything in its power to make us bend to its will
they are ruthless and will try absolutely everything in its power to scare us into voting no.
honestly from the bottom of my soul please understand why we want to separate our self's from a government like this
just how sneaky westminster is
this coming from a ex ambassador of the UK
and lied to the people of the UK deliberately knowing full well that there was no
WMD's and invading Iraq killing hundreds of innocent familys with bombs when hitting there citys
will not do anything in its power to make us bend to its will
they are ruthless and will try absolutely everything in its power to scare us into voting no.
honestly from the bottom of my soul please understand why we want to separate our self's from a government like this
just how sneaky westminster is
this coming from a ex ambassador of the UK
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It should at least cause some alarm bells to ring when the two biggest banks (who, despite being crooked over the last two years, certainly know how to look after themselves) have played their hand and said they will move south in the event of a yes vote. Add Standard life in, doesn't that tell you something?
The oil is certainly not clear. Despite you thinking you know how much oil is there, and how easy it is to extract, two proper experts disagree, but BP chief exec backs Ian Wood's view.
Of course, none of this for definite means that iScotland would go down the pan, but it should at least make you think whether a self serving politician knows more than the financial and oil industries about the reality of an independent Scotland.
Of course, I know it won't either. The US could threaten to nuke you if you went alone and you would still vote Yes. Alex Salmond is the second coming for you.