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Scottish Independence
If the Scotland decides to separate from the UK, they would cease to be a member state of the EU and would have to reapply and by doing so opt into the Euro. Would it not be better to just stay out of the EU? Hasn't done Switzerland any harm by stay out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...eparation.html |
I think, in all honesty, that knowing that, MORE Scots would vote for independance.
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Think of the hand outs they'd receive if they were an EU member, we'd probably end up giving them more than we do already :lol1:
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According to them, we still OWE them money LOL :D
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You do realise we (scots) get back less than we give you guys ? that's a fact..
so how is that you giving us money? haha or do you just believe anything you hear from westminster and bbc? fact is Scotland will be better off if we get a yes vote. Do some research instead of reading the rubbish the BBC and Westminster tell you lol this is not some anti English thing. |
Originally Posted by Camsedin
(Post 10896441)
fact is Scotland will be better off if we get a yes vote. |
I'm waiting for my vote in England to send them on their way.
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Originally Posted by Chip
(Post 10896451)
Can you elaborate on that a little for me please.
Also as for the article linked in this thread. the EC have said it is not correct. "A story in todays' Scotsman newspaper, claiming that a letter from the European Commission has been drafted that states that an independent Scotland would have to re-apply for EU membership has been described by a spokesman for EC President José Manuel Barroso as "incorrect" |
Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
(Post 10896455)
I'm waiting for my vote in England to send them on their way.
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Originally Posted by Camsedin
(Post 10896441)
You do realise we (scots) get back less than we give you guys ? that's a fact..
so how is that you giving us money? haha or do you just believe anything you hear from westminster and bbc? fact is Scotland will be better off if we get a yes vote. Do some research instead of reading the rubbish the BBC and Westminster tell you lol this is not some anti English thing. |
Originally Posted by Funkii Munkii
(Post 10896463)
So when the gas and oil runs out which cant be far away now what are you going to do, live off of the proceeds of Scotch and tourism, Scotland would be a third world country within 10 years.
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I haven't been following the ins and outs of this but what will the "man-on-the-street" in Scotland actually gain from Scotland becoming independent?
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Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
(Post 10896511)
I haven't been following the ins and outs of this but what will the "man-on-the-street" in Scotland actually gain from Scotland becoming independent?
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Bust in five years? Looking for EU handouts? Asking to rejoin the Union?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 10896516)
Bust in five years? Looking for EU handouts? Asking to rejoin the Union?
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I wonder what would happen to the military and how it would be divided up? Would Scotland retain nuclear weapons? :wonder:
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Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
(Post 10896559)
I wonder what would happen to the military and how it would be divided up? Would Scotland retain nuclear weapons? :wonder:
but no we would not keep the nukes. you would be given them as its stated before we don't want them if a yes vote. But this would mean you guys would need to build somewhere to house them. as don't think there is anywhere in england that can maintain them just now? Also there are lots of questions that hopefully will get answered on the run up to the vote. hopefully if the no campaign stop flinging mud and lies and instead get a proper debate going everything would be clearer lol |
Originally Posted by Camsedin
(Post 10896461)
for the main reason we will be in control of our own country how can anyone see a bad point to that?
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Yeah they currently reside at the Faslane Naval base on the Clyde I believe.
Like I said earlier though, what will the average Scot actually gain from becoming independent? Will it improve the quality of life for the majority of Scots or is it more of a pride thing to become an independent nation again? |
Look at it this way..
would you guys honestly want us scots controlling your country? i don't think a single english person would say yes to this.. so why do you guys think it is ok for us scots to want it? fozz its more complicated than that. but yes i do believe we would be better off and its far more than a pride thing. for one side of the fence and not only going by what the no campaign say then check out http://www.facebook.com/SaorAlbaGuBrath lots of info on there but make sure to read both sides of storys that way you can work out whats bull**** or not lol |
Originally Posted by Camsedin
(Post 10896639)
fozz its more complicated than that. but yes i do believe we would be better off and its far more than a pride thing. |
Originally Posted by Chip
(Post 10896655)
So you keep on saying, but can you tell me why you would be better off?
being in control of our own spending and resources could be a good reason that goes with the above.. can you provide me why we would "not" be better off? lol |
The Scottish parliament already has a fair bit of independence though doesn't it?
Scottish parliament have control of: agriculture, fisheries and forestry, economic development, education, environment, food standards, health, home affairs, Scots law– courts, police and fire services, local government, sport and the arts, transport, training, tourism, research and statistics and social work. The Scottish Parliament has the ability to alter income tax in Scotland by up to 3 pence in the pound. The 2012 Act conferred further fiscal devolution including borrowing powers and some other unconnected matters such as setting speed limits and control of air guns. |
Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
(Post 10896680)
The Scottish parliament already has a fair bit of independence though doesn't it?
honestly there is so much to it all so you would really need to read up on it from all sources. I understand how it could be made harder to understand the scot's side of the story with how muddy the no campaign and westminster make the waters but a lot of us believe we would be better off splitting and more scots are realising this everyday. its not an anti english thing. al tho for some it will be. but for most it wont be i would think. |
Originally Posted by Funkii Munkii
(Post 10896463)
So when the gas and oil runs out which cant be far away now what are you going to do, live off of the proceeds of Scotch and tourism, Scotland would be a third world country within 10 years.
The way you lot are gong you'll beat us to it first. |
Originally Posted by Camsedin
(Post 10896661)
if you cannot see that being in control of your own country makes you better off then i wont be able to provide you with any hard facts.
being in control of our own spending and resources could be a good reason that goes with the above.. can you provide me why we would "not" be better off? lol HOW WOULD YOU BE BETTER OFF. For what it's worth i'd give you independence in a heart beat, just so i could giggle at how quickly you get fcuked by all and sundry. All you've got is Whisky, p!ssheads, flies and worse weather than England.:D |
Cames, i work with some highly intelligent Scots. Widely read, widely travelled.
None of them want independence. Running your own country would give you independence, but that's about it. If that's what you define as "better off" then that's fine, it's an ideological viewpoint and you're entitled to it. But be very aware that you are sucking up the pro-independence side of the story only, that is abundanly clear already in this thread. :) |
Originally Posted by TelBoy
(Post 10896721)
Cames, i work with some highly intelligent Scots. Widely read, widely travelled.
None of them want independence. Running your own country would give you independence, but that's about it. If that's what you define as "better off" then that's fine, it's an ideological viewpoint and you're entitled to it. But be very aware that you are sucking up the pro-independence side of the story only, that is abundanly clear already in this thread. :) Can anyone tell me why scotland would "not" be better off? ps: ive read both sides of the debate and pro-indy is the only side that seems to make sense that's why i am for it. |
Because you won't have the financial ability to support yourselves once the oil runs dry (assuming any of it is declared Scottish), not to the standard you can afford as part of the Union. Third World is over-egging it, but bit-part player certainly. But you'd have your independence of course.
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Originally Posted by Camsedin
(Post 10896639)
Look at it this way..
would you guys honestly want us scots controlling your country? |
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