Andrew carr????????
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Thing is though most of the pro mappers out there that are using O/S were some "chump" under cutting the "pro" mappers a few years back, not sure how long you've been around scooby's, but you should have seen the shyte that was thrown when duncan aka race dynamics burst on the scene a few years back, it was like watching an old frankenstien movie where the villagers went after him with torches mappers and tuners alike.
Now my poor mate toneh is feeling a bit boris karloff on account of all thats been said against O/S, and now hey ho seems he was right after all.
But as usual good old SNET is shooting the messenger yet again, even though his thread was responsible for the creation of the new mapping section, which i for one think was something very good and useful to forum members.
I hope toneh does turn pro, as he seems to know more about mapping than one of the numpties that mapped my car, which shat itself twice FYI, and he's local to me and me new mapping best buddy so i'm in for a freebie.
Now my poor mate toneh is feeling a bit boris karloff on account of all thats been said against O/S, and now hey ho seems he was right after all.
But as usual good old SNET is shooting the messenger yet again, even though his thread was responsible for the creation of the new mapping section, which i for one think was something very good and useful to forum members.
I hope toneh does turn pro, as he seems to know more about mapping than one of the numpties that mapped my car, which shat itself twice FYI, and he's local to me and me new mapping best buddy so i'm in for a freebie.
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Thing is though most of the pro mappers out there that are using O/S were some "chump" under cutting the "pro" mappers a few years back, not sure how long you've been around scooby's, but you should have seen the shyte that was thrown when duncan aka race dynamics burst on the scene a few years back, it was like watching an old frankenstien movie where the villagers went after him with torches mappers and tuners alike.
Now my poor mate toneh is feeling a bit boris karloff on account of all thats been said against O/S, and now hey ho seems he was right after all.
But as usual good old SNET is shooting the messenger yet again, even though his thread was responsible for the creation of the new mapping section, which i for one think was something very good and useful to forum members.
I hope toneh does turn pro, as he seems to know more about mapping than one of the numpties that mapped my car, which shat itself twice FYI, and he's local to me and me new mapping best buddy so i'm in for a freebie.
Now my poor mate toneh is feeling a bit boris karloff on account of all thats been said against O/S, and now hey ho seems he was right after all.
But as usual good old SNET is shooting the messenger yet again, even though his thread was responsible for the creation of the new mapping section, which i for one think was something very good and useful to forum members.
I hope toneh does turn pro, as he seems to know more about mapping than one of the numpties that mapped my car, which shat itself twice FYI, and he's local to me and me new mapping best buddy so i'm in for a freebie.
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Thanks for the comments guys , I don't open my mouth to attract attention or to start a pro mapper witch hunt , I do it to try and get some honesty and truth into play
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It started when a mapper tried to force ecutek on me and two or three customers where around also and said yeah you want ecutek
So me being me went away did a little research and the findings didn't add up
First time ecutek £450/£500
O/s circa £300 depending on extras
So no brainer , looks the same does the same job ( o/s it is )
I then went one step further and decided to map my own car ( but that's a different story )
So let's fast forward a little , I map my car with o/s software / roms ect and realise hey this is cool I'm liking it , but still can't understand the price difference , so start a thread mapping rip off
And we're off , I ask why charge so much , especially things like ecutek
As some of you may have read the replies where varied and various reasons given
( ok that's fair comment )
Now one of the reasons for price hikes was software /roms ect and not just on the rip off thread
I have been told that with ecutek you get a proven rom which as had a lot of testing and development time spent ( therefore the cost is passed to the customer , again fair comment
I was told and have also read that o/s software including carberry is not really acceptable , it's not stable untested , has glitches and bugs ,
Yet I've had no trouble I've not read any others guys having trouble ( quite the opposite in fact ) and the mappers fail to say what the problems are in specific terms !And because they have not had to contribute towards development costs on roms like carberry I don't see any price drop ?
Fast forward to present events , it's now become apparent that pro mappers are using certain o/s roms , which only a very short while ago where dismissing !
I've also noted certain threads and posts have been deleted where said comments where made , dubious indeed
So it looks pretty simple and the mapping rip off thread can have some justification
If you've payed £450/500 for a first time Commercial map you've been ripped off if you've not got all the whistles and bells
Because if you went o/s you could have had the lot ,all singing all dancing for the lower end of that figure
So lesson learned I think , don't be led by what you're told , as I've said all is not what it seems
And I know there's guys out there that have had bog standard remaps and are gonna say , well I'm happy , true you may be , but a little extra for the same price can never be a bad thing
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It started when a mapper tried to force ecutek on me and two or three customers where around also and said yeah you want ecutek
So me being me went away did a little research and the findings didn't add up
First time ecutek £450/£500
O/s circa £300 depending on extras
So no brainer , looks the same does the same job ( o/s it is )
I then went one step further and decided to map my own car ( but that's a different story )
So let's fast forward a little , I map my car with o/s software / roms ect and realise hey this is cool I'm liking it , but still can't understand the price difference , so start a thread mapping rip off
And we're off , I ask why charge so much , especially things like ecutek
As some of you may have read the replies where varied and various reasons given
( ok that's fair comment )
Now one of the reasons for price hikes was software /roms ect and not just on the rip off thread
I have been told that with ecutek you get a proven rom which as had a lot of testing and development time spent ( therefore the cost is passed to the customer , again fair comment
I was told and have also read that o/s software including carberry is not really acceptable , it's not stable untested , has glitches and bugs ,
Yet I've had no trouble I've not read any others guys having trouble ( quite the opposite in fact ) and the mappers fail to say what the problems are in specific terms !And because they have not had to contribute towards development costs on roms like carberry I don't see any price drop ?
Fast forward to present events , it's now become apparent that pro mappers are using certain o/s roms , which only a very short while ago where dismissing !
I've also noted certain threads and posts have been deleted where said comments where made , dubious indeed
So it looks pretty simple and the mapping rip off thread can have some justification
If you've payed £450/500 for a first time Commercial map you've been ripped off if you've not got all the whistles and bells
Because if you went o/s you could have had the lot ,all singing all dancing for the lower end of that figure
So lesson learned I think , don't be led by what you're told , as I've said all is not what it seems
And I know there's guys out there that have had bog standard remaps and are gonna say , well I'm happy , true you may be , but a little extra for the same price can never be a bad thing
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I think trouble may be brewing
If indeed carbibbles receive hard data through
Infringement of copyright & malicious tampering of a product
Ie verbally or aesthetic
This might just turn into courtroom action
But judging by the response from over seas I wouldn't be suprised
If indeed carbibbles receive hard data through
Infringement of copyright & malicious tampering of a product
Ie verbally or aesthetic
This might just turn into courtroom action
But judging by the response from over seas I wouldn't be suprised
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I think trouble may be brewing
If indeed carbibbles receive hard data through
Infringement of copyright & malicious tampering of a product
Ie verbally or aesthetic
This might just turn into courtroom action
But judging by the response from over seas I wouldn't be suprised
If indeed carbibbles receive hard data through
Infringement of copyright & malicious tampering of a product
Ie verbally or aesthetic
This might just turn into courtroom action
But judging by the response from over seas I wouldn't be suprised
It's not protected or anything so I very much doubt it, anyone can do the same, car bibbles has put it on the Internet for the whole world to see, so it's his own fault if anything, but has made it clear for anyone to use.
Keep up this has all been sorted now, just apart from the fact that other commercial mappers are using the same.
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I think trouble may be brewing
If indeed carbibbles receive hard data through
Infringement of copyright & malicious tampering of a product
Ie verbally or aesthetic
This might just turn into courtroom action
But judging by the response from over seas I wouldn't be suprised
If indeed carbibbles receive hard data through
Infringement of copyright & malicious tampering of a product
Ie verbally or aesthetic
This might just turn into courtroom action
But judging by the response from over seas I wouldn't be suprised
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Ok , so to take the carberry rom
Change it's name & say its your own is wrong
But if there is no copyright then the only people this should concern is the development team stateside who , I imagine will be feeling rather cross & angry
Change it's name & say its your own is wrong
But if there is no copyright then the only people this should concern is the development team stateside who , I imagine will be feeling rather cross & angry
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Carbibbles main gripe was the fact he was not credited for his work and the fact his work may have been portrayed as sub standard
As for copyright ect
I think you guys should credit him with a little intelligence , I'm sure he was fully aware his rom may be used by a commercial mapper but suprised and dissapointed at the way said mapper marketed his work
As for copyright ect
I think you guys should credit him with a little intelligence , I'm sure he was fully aware his rom may be used by a commercial mapper but suprised and dissapointed at the way said mapper marketed his work
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Carbibbles main gripe was the fact he was not credited for his work and the fact his work may have been portrayed as sub standard
As for copyright ect
I think you guys should credit him with a little intelligence , I'm sure he was fully aware his rom may be used by a commercial mapper but suprised and dissapointed at the way said mapper marketed his work
As for copyright ect
I think you guys should credit him with a little intelligence , I'm sure he was fully aware his rom may be used by a commercial mapper but suprised and dissapointed at the way said mapper marketed his work
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I'm not asking for anything to be done
I don't care wich side the penny drops
So it's sorted
Next week some one else will create another rom
Maybe 1 or 2 tweaks & say its a Andrew Carr rip off rom
Oh , & Iv been busy fella
Work , home , & funerals to attend
I don't care wich side the penny drops
So it's sorted
Next week some one else will create another rom
Maybe 1 or 2 tweaks & say its a Andrew Carr rip off rom
Oh , & Iv been busy fella
Work , home , & funerals to attend
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The carberry rom is a major development for o/s and if you keep tabs on work in progress and new roms for o/s you're not gonna be seeing things like this cropping up week in week out
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I know that toneh
It was tongue & cheek
That was a gracious reply from Jason to mr carrs admission IMO
Def makes you question trust honesty & the way some people do business
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It was tongue & cheek
That was a gracious reply from Jason to mr carrs admission IMO
Def makes you question trust honesty & the way some people do business
Regards
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Now theres a guy I have massive respect for and is obviously not out to milk every penny he can get and puts in a massive amount of effort into helping folk out
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