AndrewCarr SuperRom - Please Read
15 November 2012, 06:49 PM
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AndrewCarr SuperRom - Please Read
Hello from across the pond. I recently came across mention of Andrew Carr tuning with a modified ROM called SuperRom, I believe that this is a rip-off of a project ROM I have been creating over the last year called the CarBerry ROM. I have also heard that somebody has been claiming that the CarBerry ROM is "unstable" and that another method [SuperRom?] is a better tuning solution.
I would like to make sure that these assumptions are correct before making a complete accusation so if anybody has been mapped on the SuperRom and is willing to send me a copy of their map so that I can compare against the CarBerry ROM please send me a PM on here or romraider.com.
Thank you
Jason
I would like to make sure that these assumptions are correct before making a complete accusation so if anybody has been mapped on the SuperRom and is willing to send me a copy of their map so that I can compare against the CarBerry ROM please send me a PM on here or romraider.com.
Thank you
Jason
15 November 2012, 07:24 PM
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He knows what is going on, my intentions are to let the community know what is going on.
Im not trying to discredit his tuning abilities, but rather regain credit for the work that was done with the creation of the ROM.
I am fairly certain that the ROM is a rip-off, if I find that he indeed created his own ROM then I will surely take back everything I have said and state an apology.
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15 November 2012, 07:37 PM
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Most OS maps are definitely not based off the carberry rom, the guys over on romraider have been digging through the stock roms for years to figure everything out. So most OS maps are stock subaru maps that have been opened up to allow them to be tuned. The carberry rom is a stock rom that has been modified, there are a couple guys that have created modified roms for 32bit subarus as well. ECUtek and Cobb or any other are also stock roms that have been modified.
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15 November 2012, 07:41 PM
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He knows what is going on, my intentions are to let the community know what is going on.
Im not trying to discredit his tuning abilities, but rather regain credit for the work that was done with the creation of the ROM.
I am fairly certain that the ROM is a rip-off, if I find that he indeed created his own ROM then I will surely take back everything I have said and state an apology.
Im not trying to discredit his tuning abilities, but rather regain credit for the work that was done with the creation of the ROM.
I am fairly certain that the ROM is a rip-off, if I find that he indeed created his own ROM then I will surely take back everything I have said and state an apology.
Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick here but all these threads trying to ruin the reputation of a person/organisation are becoming a little ridiculous now. For some this is there bread n butter
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15 November 2012, 07:50 PM
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If it's your bread and butter you should play the game. You take it to a whole different level though when you rip-off someone's work and slag the original off, which is only what you are still using, for being unstable. FPMSL!!
If it's all his own work why has he taken down all references to SuperROM off his site, this evening when all this has kicked off!! If he's nothing to worry about, leave it where it is and exactly as it was. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to make sense of that.
It's all very disappointing and does OS tuners no favours at all!!
If it's all his own work why has he taken down all references to SuperROM off his site, this evening when all this has kicked off!! If he's nothing to worry about, leave it where it is and exactly as it was. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to make sense of that.
It's all very disappointing and does OS tuners no favours at all!!
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15 November 2012, 08:05 PM
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Why is it when a guy is not happy and voices his views he's told to do it in private ?
No , honesty is what we need good or bad , if it's a praise thread about how such and such did a good job , then it's pats on backs and shout from the roof tops
But heaven forbid Somone speaks out against one of the golden ball mappers and it's hush hush
Wake up , I've never seen such a bunch of mushrooms
No , honesty is what we need good or bad , if it's a praise thread about how such and such did a good job , then it's pats on backs and shout from the roof tops
But heaven forbid Somone speaks out against one of the golden ball mappers and it's hush hush
Wake up , I've never seen such a bunch of mushrooms
15 November 2012, 08:27 PM
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I just want to re-state that I am not trying to say that AndrewCarr is a bad tuner (I have no idea how well he tunes), and I have no problem with people mapping with the CarBerry ROM. But to change the name and take credit for the ROM, that is definitely wrong, especially to say the CarBerry ROM is flawed and their ROM is better when they are using the CarBerry ROM to being with!
Just as an addition to this, because I think some people don't have a complete understanding of how mapping works.
There are two parts to a rom, the logic and then the maps. When somebody maps/tunes a car they are changing the maps within the rom. The maps determine how much fuel is injected and when the spark is fired (as well as other things). A mapper generally does not change the logic(sometimes referred to as "firmware"). The logic is all the computations and control that makes everything run, it takes the data from the maps and controls the injectors and coils(along with all the other sensors and outputs) to achieve what the data is asking for. The CarBerry ROM is basically a modified logic/firmware to add features and change the way things are computed, as well as having more maps that have been defined or "discovered". All stock ECU roms are based on the original subaru/denso programming.
Just as an addition to this, because I think some people don't have a complete understanding of how mapping works.
There are two parts to a rom, the logic and then the maps. When somebody maps/tunes a car they are changing the maps within the rom. The maps determine how much fuel is injected and when the spark is fired (as well as other things). A mapper generally does not change the logic(sometimes referred to as "firmware"). The logic is all the computations and control that makes everything run, it takes the data from the maps and controls the injectors and coils(along with all the other sensors and outputs) to achieve what the data is asking for. The CarBerry ROM is basically a modified logic/firmware to add features and change the way things are computed, as well as having more maps that have been defined or "discovered". All stock ECU roms are based on the original subaru/denso programming.
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15 November 2012, 08:52 PM
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Tbh it dosent stop anyone else from doing the same if this is the case and I'm sure somewhere in the world that other people are/will be doing the same or similar without you knowing yet.
After all bibbles you have put it up on the Internet.
I do agree it's a bit wrong but that's the kind of thing that happens in most cases that's published on Internet.
After all bibbles you have put it up on the Internet.
I do agree it's a bit wrong but that's the kind of thing that happens in most cases that's published on Internet.
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Tbh it dosent stop anyone else from doing the same if this is the case and I'm sure somewhere in the world that other people are/will be doing the same or similar without you knowing yet.
After all bibbles you have put it up on the Internet.
I do agree it's a bit wrong but that's the kind of thing that happens in most cases that's published on Internet.
After all bibbles you have put it up on the Internet.
I do agree it's a bit wrong but that's the kind of thing that happens in most cases that's published on Internet.
Why claim it's you're work ?
And why discredit the quality of the rom , when infact it's what you are using ?
It may turn out he's done niether , but IMHO this is being done by a few mappers out there
16 November 2012, 02:47 AM
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SuperROM IS Carberry as written by Jason.
I apologise to Jason for not giving him the credit he deserves for the work he has put into developing Carberry, it is truly amazing!
I have never knowingly claimed that I developed the software, however, I accept that by advertising it under another name I have inadvertently given some people that impression.
I took down the SuperROM webpage this afternoon after receiving several alarming text messages from customers without actually knowing what had been posted.
The term SuperROM actually started out as a slightly tongue-in-cheek codename used when I was testing the first few cars on the Carberry ROM and started hearing some worrying rumours that I had been using untested and unstable software on customer cars. The name stuck and I now realise that I should have published the information with a clear acknowledgement that it was Carberry.
Andrew...
I apologise to Jason for not giving him the credit he deserves for the work he has put into developing Carberry, it is truly amazing!
I have never knowingly claimed that I developed the software, however, I accept that by advertising it under another name I have inadvertently given some people that impression.
I took down the SuperROM webpage this afternoon after receiving several alarming text messages from customers without actually knowing what had been posted.
The term SuperROM actually started out as a slightly tongue-in-cheek codename used when I was testing the first few cars on the Carberry ROM and started hearing some worrying rumours that I had been using untested and unstable software on customer cars. The name stuck and I now realise that I should have published the information with a clear acknowledgement that it was Carberry.
Andrew...
16 November 2012, 03:00 AM
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SuperROM IS Carberry as written by Jason.
I apologise to Jason for not giving him the credit he deserves for the work he has put into developing Carberry, it is truly amazing!
I have never knowingly claimed that I developed the software, however, I accept that by advertising it under another name I have inadvertently given some people that impression.
I took down the SuperROM webpage this afternoon after receiving several alarming text messages from customers without actually knowing what had been posted.
The term SuperROM actually started out as a slightly tongue-in-cheek codename used when I was testing the first few cars on the Carberry ROM and started hearing some worrying rumours that I had been using untested and unstable software on customer cars. The name stuck and I now realise that I should have published the information with a clear acknowledgement that it was Carberry.
Andrew...
I apologise to Jason for not giving him the credit he deserves for the work he has put into developing Carberry, it is truly amazing!
I have never knowingly claimed that I developed the software, however, I accept that by advertising it under another name I have inadvertently given some people that impression.
I took down the SuperROM webpage this afternoon after receiving several alarming text messages from customers without actually knowing what had been posted.
The term SuperROM actually started out as a slightly tongue-in-cheek codename used when I was testing the first few cars on the Carberry ROM and started hearing some worrying rumours that I had been using untested and unstable software on customer cars. The name stuck and I now realise that I should have published the information with a clear acknowledgement that it was Carberry.
Andrew...
I appreciate you making things right by posting this. Im glad that so many people are interested in running the CarBerry ROM, I just ask that I be accredited for the work done with it. I hope you can continue having positive results while tuning with it under its rightful name.
Thank you
Jason
16 November 2012, 07:22 AM
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SuperROM IS Carberry as written by Jason.
I apologise to Jason for not giving him the credit he deserves for the work he has put into developing Carberry, it is truly amazing!
I have never knowingly claimed that I developed the software, however, I accept that by advertising it under another name I have inadvertently given some people that impression.
I took down the SuperROM webpage this afternoon after receiving several alarming text messages from customers without actually knowing what had been posted.
The term SuperROM actually started out as a slightly tongue-in-cheek codename used when I was testing the first few cars on the Carberry ROM and started hearing some worrying rumours that I had been using untested and unstable software on customer cars. The name stuck and I now realise that I should have published the information with a clear acknowledgement that it was Carberry.
Andrew...
I apologise to Jason for not giving him the credit he deserves for the work he has put into developing Carberry, it is truly amazing!
I have never knowingly claimed that I developed the software, however, I accept that by advertising it under another name I have inadvertently given some people that impression.
I took down the SuperROM webpage this afternoon after receiving several alarming text messages from customers without actually knowing what had been posted.
The term SuperROM actually started out as a slightly tongue-in-cheek codename used when I was testing the first few cars on the Carberry ROM and started hearing some worrying rumours that I had been using untested and unstable software on customer cars. The name stuck and I now realise that I should have published the information with a clear acknowledgement that it was Carberry.
Andrew...
And the fact you have been using carberry does not mean your service is sub standard / poor quality at all
In fact IMHO it says the opposite , I have spoke to a couple of tuners who didn't even know what carberry was
You have obviously also heard the doubters spouting about the quality of the rom ( even though they are probably using it )
In light of what's happened and it's now common knowledge you've been using carberry professionally with great results , maybe you should stand firm and help dispell all the quality rumours and help put an end to some pro mapping attitudes of secrecy and we know what's good but not saying
Maybe you could give a little input of your experience using it , ie , repositioned iat sensor , anti lag results ect
It's no secret I'm not the biggest fan of commercial mapping ,and the bit of the **** up you've made doesn't strengthen those thoughts
But what I will say is now carberry is out of the bag and being used on the commercial scene , folk should not hesitate to ask you to map their cars with it and maybe you can start pushing it forward and enlighten folk to how good the rom actually is , And the fantastic results they will see
Cheers tony
16 November 2012, 11:27 AM
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andy mapped my motor with this and i agree with what he has said about not claiming to have developed it
when i asked for a standard map tweak he told me about this new system that had come out with anti lag and launch control ect on standard ecu and he could now offer it and at no time did he say he developed it i jumped at the chance and im glad i did
andy is a nice genuine bloke and has mapped my car and advised me on mods for the past 3 years with no issues at all
so the people calling him a rip-off and scumbag must never have met him
when i asked for a standard map tweak he told me about this new system that had come out with anti lag and launch control ect on standard ecu and he could now offer it and at no time did he say he developed it i jumped at the chance and im glad i did
andy is a nice genuine bloke and has mapped my car and advised me on mods for the past 3 years with no issues at all
so the people calling him a rip-off and scumbag must never have met him
16 November 2012, 11:52 AM
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andy mapped my motor with this and i agree with what he has said about not claiming to have developed it
when i asked for a standard map tweak he told me about this new system that had come out with anti lag and launch control ect on standard ecu and he could now offer it and at no time did he say he developed it i jumped at the chance and im glad i did
andy is a nice genuine bloke and has mapped my car and advised me on mods for the past 3 years with no issues at all
so the people calling him a rip-off and scumbag must never have met him
when i asked for a standard map tweak he told me about this new system that had come out with anti lag and launch control ect on standard ecu and he could now offer it and at no time did he say he developed it i jumped at the chance and im glad i did
andy is a nice genuine bloke and has mapped my car and advised me on mods for the past 3 years with no issues at all
so the people calling him a rip-off and scumbag must never have met him
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16 November 2012, 12:04 PM
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feels great andy is mapping it again today just had a front mount and a few other bits fitted and stripped some weight just in time for buttertubbs run on sunday you coming for a run out ?
16 November 2012, 12:33 PM
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are you a LADS member ?
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Twin maf-less Maps
inc-
Anti Lag
Launch Control
Flat Foot Shifting
Knock Sensor)
mdx 321t billet and ceramic coated turbo
650CC injectors
roger clark oil catch tank
FMIC
aps cold air intake with k&n cone filter
fuelab fuel pressure regulator
hi power fuel pump
18”Rota Grid Alloy Wheels with falken 452 tyres
apex bc coilovers
whitline adjustable front anti roll bar
whitline adjustable rear anti roll bar
whiteline droplinks
full geometry setup by cotton competition
prodrive front strut brace
sti rear strut brace
prodrive diff guard
prodrive wr1 front lower grill
front splitter
prodrive battery clamp
prodrive oil cap
engine dress including -
sfs silicone hoses
powder coated manifold
paintwork
polished engine bay bolts
revolution 3inch turbo back exhaust
heat wrapped rcm gt spec headers
ACT 6 paddle clutch
fidanza light weight fly wheel
colour matched painted brembo’s
jdm amber defi style speedo
triple amber defi gauges
custom red light interior mod
s204 matte black interior trim
spec c black seats and carpet
custom sti floor mats
top rear window spoiler
de-tangoed headlights
pioneer double din head unit
pioneer door speakers
pioneer active subwoofer
tinted windows
ken block/monster energy decals
spec
Twin maf-less Maps
inc-
Anti Lag
Launch Control
Flat Foot Shifting
Knock Sensor)
mdx 321t billet and ceramic coated turbo
650CC injectors
roger clark oil catch tank
FMIC
aps cold air intake with k&n cone filter
fuelab fuel pressure regulator
hi power fuel pump
18”Rota Grid Alloy Wheels with falken 452 tyres
apex bc coilovers
whitline adjustable front anti roll bar
whitline adjustable rear anti roll bar
whiteline droplinks
full geometry setup by cotton competition
prodrive front strut brace
sti rear strut brace
prodrive diff guard
prodrive wr1 front lower grill
front splitter
prodrive battery clamp
prodrive oil cap
engine dress including -
sfs silicone hoses
powder coated manifold
paintwork
polished engine bay bolts
revolution 3inch turbo back exhaust
heat wrapped rcm gt spec headers
ACT 6 paddle clutch
fidanza light weight fly wheel
colour matched painted brembo’s
jdm amber defi style speedo
triple amber defi gauges
custom red light interior mod
s204 matte black interior trim
spec c black seats and carpet
custom sti floor mats
top rear window spoiler
de-tangoed headlights
pioneer double din head unit
pioneer door speakers
pioneer active subwoofer
tinted windows
ken block/monster energy decals
16 November 2012, 01:11 PM
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This may be the wrong time/place to ask this, but does this version of software allow 2 full maps on a standard sti ecu? i.e i can have a "eco" (use the term very lightly) and a full out meths/antilag/flat shift ***** out map?
) and a full out meths/antilag/flat shift ***** out map?
16 November 2012, 01:17 PM
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wowsers. I use pole position for my work and they rave about andrew carr.
Think this may be worth a look into. Don't suppose you know pricewise what im looking at?
Think this may be worth a look into. Don't suppose you know pricewise what im looking at?
16 November 2012, 02:05 PM
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If anything this is good business for andy for the non DIY mappers out there because it's now proven he has made a formal apology for whatever has gone wrong etc but at the same time he uses the carberry rom which is proven now that it's the dogs bollocks with all the feature you may need without buying the expensive aftermarket ecus at a great cost.
16 November 2012, 03:50 PM
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just picked mine up its had a front mount and a few other bits done
and andy has tweaked both maps and charged peanuts
loving the sound and the extra power car feels great
going back in soon to reverse inlet and strip some more weight off
and andy has tweaked both maps and charged peanuts
loving the sound and the extra power car feels great
going back in soon to reverse inlet and strip some more weight off
17 November 2012, 12:25 AM
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Andy mapping mine on Thursday can't wait hoping for some nice power fingers crossed he mapped it befor and car was quick car at around 330 on vf 34 so can't wait now got billet 46 and fully forged reversed inlet etc
