Ciaran

iTrader: (16)

Your all mad if you think I would try and do the map for my own car. Im not finding out the hard way and wrecking £4k plus engine. For the sake of a few £££ I will continue to use the best mapper in Scotland and TOTB 2012 champ Mr Forrest

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

And in away I can agree, I could go out and build a wall round the back of my garden and it could be a good job, not excellent but does what I intended it to do.

To your number 1 (im not picking on you but you have good points )

1. anyone probably could do it, but very very few could do it excellently, even with experience.

2. Yes experience does matter, so does mechanical knowledge and an understanding of how an ecu and the sensors work, something overlooked here i think...

3. Mappers dont charge too much, they may travel to you which costs them, they also may only have 1 map that day, that puts them on par with your average IT analyst pay wise.

TBH, im with Shaun on this one, very few mappers get the best out of your car with your mods, most home grown mappers will just be able to give you an average map rather than an excellent one, which is where you are willing to cough up the cash.

Tony

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

This will be fun.

Andrew car just mapped my spec c arrived at 10am left at 5pm wiring mapping logging in out all day never really stopped. He had to get there 150 mile round trip for me £400 isnt that bad i prefer to pay £150 obviously but trust me it isnt going to happen.

Ps my car is now a animal totb showed alot of people this

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

If say Andy Forrest was mapping your car and it blew up would he pay for the repairs ?

Tidgy

can't comment on specific people and situations, but I do know a couple of comapies that have done just that

However I would be surprised if any decent company wouldn't hold there hands up and say, we cocked up, we'll sort it.

Black Widow

iTrader: (2)

Open Source is only on Newage.

Moley

iTrader: (9)

I think most of the mappers are recovering from a busy weekend at TOTB, so you might not get a reply for a little while.

Infected by sti

iTrader: (6)

I dont think you'll find any mapper who will happily Pay for a engine replacement or at least i aint heard of one.

When you want your car mapped regardless of who you use, the choice for mapping the car lye's with your self and you must be prepared for what comes with it gains and loss! Same as when you put your car on the rollers if it blows up its your Problem not the guys doing the run! There are certain elements you must be prepared to take on the chin if it goes **** up regardless of a self map or a well known mapper, depends in your situation regarding funds and if your prepared for it to happen, obvioulsy i dont want it to happen to mine but if it did then "such is life" no point in crying over spilt milk! If i didn have the urge for more power chances are it wouldn of happened so each to their own imo but you have to be realistic with good there often comes bad!

And as for liability insurance i think you will find your insurance does not even cover you for use on the road if your getting it mapped as that technicality will fall under the "not to be used for testing" clause stated within them same as going to the ring, so either way i guess were screwed lol

Infected by sti

iTrader: (6)

Ahh furry muff then lol, are there any ecu's you could fit inplace of a classic one to perhaps toy about with

Just a bit of fun for me to see how it all works, i like things like this as i find it keeps me occupied and always like to learn new tricks even if it does not come to much at least i should further understand what is what with it all and will be able to understand what the mapper is actually doing as i looked at a guy doing one before and it looked like gobeldy gook to me lmao

Tidgy

happily pay maybe not, but decent places will cover it when its there fault.

uh, yeah thats what im saying, your personal insurance wont cover you for it. a reputable tuning compny will have cover that includes road testing.

powerwrx

iTrader: (11)

i believe Andy Forrest and JGM have hung up their mapping gloves because they are unable to compete with the prices of Dodgy Bob McMayday from number 22 down the road...the last i heard, Bob Rawle had an interview at the local hospital for a job as a surgeon..although he isnt qualified he got the popular game 'Operation' for christmas when he was 8yrs old so he thought 'it cant be all that hard'

Infected by sti

iTrader: (6)

Ahh i follow now with the insurance

I agree that specialist in house companies may sort something out if it was around an engine build say for instance, But when it comes to mapping and its beeen a week down the line after a map then it may be a different story as they could say its down to the driver giving the car brutal death 24/7, if it was to happen the day being mapped and the tuner had generally dropped a bo11ock then i agree they probably would put it right as it is their company who would be in the firing line and if its a genuine mistake which does happen to us all after all we are all human! then things sometimes cant be helped which is why i say people who go in to it with their eyes closed Thinking its never gonna happen to them or their cars are in for a reality check regardless of whos mapped it, can happen to anybody! But they are the people who are quickly pointing out it was nothing to do with the total lack of respect towards the car and drive them in to the ground but all the fact the mapper effed it all up!

If your want more power then brace yourself for bills to come is all i have to say, but i would be happy enough to sit and play with a laptop and some software as im curious with things like that, not that id want to go out mapping every car under the sun, it would be my little hobby to further understand how these complex items work! And if it went horribly wrong then thas just tough **** lol. It definately is an art no doubt especially the big power builds but like the op said its a learning curve nothing comes to those over night (unless ur lucky enough to win the lottery lol) but if you have some spare time and dont mind playin about then why not give it a go? As long as you take your time and fully understand your car then i suppose it can be done, we all could not drive at some point, some take longer than others to pass and then their are those with no hope lol, same principal applies, just have to apply the practice

alcazar

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Nah, you're bad-mthing some VERY experienced mappers and then WON'T put your money where your mouth is.

End of, as far as I'm concerned.

tubbytommy

iTrader: (20)

i agree, while i think he may be clever enough to map a car, he has no proof of power outputs or reliability which you get with the established mappers.

good luck for attempting it himself though

Tidgy

Again i don't think a reputable company would do that unless they had good reason not to, once the engine is stripped then you can tell what it is that did it in.

I do know of several situaitons where folks have claimed they have been driving it sensibly and it just let go, yet surprise surprise they were spotted driving like a burk or did exactly what they were told not to. Anti lag is a greta one for that, run it too much and it will kill your engine, yet people still do it.

Good one was a guy who wiped his gearbox out 3 days after having it rebuilt, he went ape at the tuner, who then said 'why is there a competitors badn on your arm fron santa pod?' and sure enough he'd killed it at pod, so he had to pay for it himself. while not engine or mapping related does highlight a situation.

Shaun

You totally miss the point Sir.

Did I actually say it was hard.

Whilst you have obviously grasped the process and understanding, you appear to have an ability. Just because you find something easy, doesn't mean it is to all. Don't judge everyone by your ability...... regardless of how easy you find something or how "thick" you think you are.

Your opinion (and that is all it is) is subjective.... not objective.

Just because you have mapped your car and let's for arguments sake, say 5 others as well, doesn't actually make you an experienced mapper. It just means you have mapped "some" cars. This is reflected throughout "normal" life, as regards those that have proven experience and those that don't. lol

Normally the ones that have proven experience are the ones that have a better chance to succeed. This is the reality of the "way it goes".

Tidgy

i suspect there would be issues if something came up that wasn't 'the norm' at which point it becomes not easy

you learn nothign when something goes perfect

Infected by sti

iTrader: (6)

Everybody has to start somewhere, so do all the mappers on here have diplomas, nvq's, degree's in mapping?? So if i was to go to college and did a course that gave me a **** load of certificates with no prior practical practice on a customers car would you use me?? I may know all the stuff that goes with it but putting in to practice is something a whole lot different an again i ask where did the top guys on here start? Most of them probably messing about on their own cars to find out how it works!

If you have an ounce of self beleife then anything can be done, for those of you who beleive something must be done by a specialist in most walks of life, your either lazy,scared or lead a sheltered life as i know my finances cant fund everything that goes wrong with the house, car etc etc so i put my work head on and get stuck in thats the only way you will ever learn!

toneh

iTrader: (1)

Like I've said I'm not in it to make money ,
Any one can get who they like to map there car it makes no difference to me whatsoever
If your happy good
I'm just pointing out in my opinion mapping does not command the price some folks pay
As for bad mouth , I've not said anyone does not do a good job or there work is shoddy
I'm saying come on play the game and get the prices down
Seems like some folk don't like straight up honesty
As for my car , anyone's more than welcome to pop round and see it , drive it and comment on my work
Like I've said , I've nothing to hide

Tidgy

but you have said there all ripping people off, which is bad mouthing

toneh

iTrader: (1)

Ok if that's how you see it

Shaun

Mmmm... perhaps, but issues don't have to be "hard" to resolve. It's the approach you take that can mitigate that to a degree. However, not everyone has a common sense / logical approach to problem solving...... that is a fantastic skill in itself.

I don't exclude myself from being able to learn how to map... I already understand the fundamentals and as many of you know, have spent a fair amount of time analysing data logs from my car as part of it's modification project thread.

For me, it's down to time and interest. I neither have the time nor the interest.

Tidgy

um, 'the great mapping rip off'

any other way to take that than there ripping people off?

Infected by sti

iTrader: (6)

I cant name many proffesions of the top of my head that can bag them anywhere from £100 upwards for 15 mins, and yes i agree you have to pay for knowlede which i have done but i do feel that it can be costly when you consider you could buy a down pipe for your motor for £100 then spend just as much for a "tweak" on the map which can take less than 15 mins

tubbytommy

iTrader: (20)

toneh have you ever thought of putting your car on the rr to see what power gains you achieved as this may help you prove your self mapping skills.
i guess as you have been running it around a while its quite reliable.

Tidgy

that assumes a tweek takes 15 mins, which i would say is a very small number of cars, most take an hour at least, most places charge a set fee, so if it takes them 2 hours its still the same price.

Also its not just money in the mappers pocket, theres other costs as well.

jayallen

iTrader: (31)

Thats fair enough Shaun but you cant knock people who do have an interest and time.

Some people on this thread seem to have the idea that Tom, Dick and Harry are all of a sudden going to offer 30quid remaps for the SN masses...When thats not the case.

tubbytommy

iTrader: (20)

ill map your car for £25, cant be that hard its only a mitsubishi

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

5 pages in 12 hours or so

TX.

jayallen

iTrader: (31)

I wouldnt even let you program my sat nav!