The great mapping rip off
29 July 2012, 10:45 PM
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I agree, but I also feel there are far too many people on here just taking it for granted that you need remaps too.
OP:"I sneezed when I was in my car yesterday, will it be ok?".
Generic reply: "I hope you've had it remapped, get it mapped asap and drive off boost. Infact don't use the throttle pedal at all."
Fact of the matter is that say you Decat your car, you don't get overboost (the MY99 ECU, for example, is pretty good at boost control) then just what do you need a remap for? To line someone's pocket? The reduced backpressure has the potential to improve engine life by reducing exhaust temperature and keeping the exhaust valves cooler. Now this obviously isn't always the case, but I do find too many people going on about remaps when people have ran decatted MY99 cars on 1.2 bar midrange with FCD most of the cars life. Is it clever? Probably not wise, and costs more than it needs to in fuel but you don't have to get ripped off if you don't want to.
I just wish you could OS remap the AE800 as I'm too tight to waste £600 on it.
OP:"I sneezed when I was in my car yesterday, will it be ok?".
Generic reply: "I hope you've had it remapped, get it mapped asap and drive off boost. Infact don't use the throttle pedal at all."
Fact of the matter is that say you Decat your car, you don't get overboost (the MY99 ECU, for example, is pretty good at boost control) then just what do you need a remap for? To line someone's pocket? The reduced backpressure has the potential to improve engine life by reducing exhaust temperature and keeping the exhaust valves cooler. Now this obviously isn't always the case, but I do find too many people going on about remaps when people have ran decatted MY99 cars on 1.2 bar midrange with FCD most of the cars life. Is it clever? Probably not wise, and costs more than it needs to in fuel but you don't have to get ripped off if you don't want to.
I just wish you could OS remap the AE800 as I'm too tight to waste £600 on it.
29 July 2012, 10:52 PM
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I agree, but I also feel there are far too many people on here just taking it for granted that you need remaps too.
OP:"I sneezed when I was in my car yesterday, will it be ok?".
Generic reply: "I hope you've had it remapped, get it mapped asap and drive off boost. Infact don't use the throttle pedal at all."
Fact of the matter is that say you Decat your car, you don't get overboost (the MY99 ECU, for example, is pretty good at boost control) then just what do you need a remap for? To line someone's pocket? The reduced backpressure has the potential to improve engine life by reducing exhaust temperature and keeping the exhaust valves cooler. Now this obviously isn't always the case, but I do find too many people going on about remaps when people have ran decatted MY99 cars on 1.2 bar midrange with FCD most of the cars life. Is it clever? Probably not wise, and costs more than it needs to in fuel but you don't have to get ripped off if you don't want to.
I just wish you could OS remap the AE800 as I'm too tight to waste £600 on it.
OP:"I sneezed when I was in my car yesterday, will it be ok?".
Generic reply: "I hope you've had it remapped, get it mapped asap and drive off boost. Infact don't use the throttle pedal at all."
Fact of the matter is that say you Decat your car, you don't get overboost (the MY99 ECU, for example, is pretty good at boost control) then just what do you need a remap for? To line someone's pocket? The reduced backpressure has the potential to improve engine life by reducing exhaust temperature and keeping the exhaust valves cooler. Now this obviously isn't always the case, but I do find too many people going on about remaps when people have ran decatted MY99 cars on 1.2 bar midrange with FCD most of the cars life. Is it clever? Probably not wise, and costs more than it needs to in fuel but you don't have to get ripped off if you don't want to.
I just wish you could OS remap the AE800 as I'm too tight to waste £600 on it.
Why bother fitting a de-cat/FMIC etc and not get the map changed to get the most out of it?
29 July 2012, 10:55 PM
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Any **** can map a car.... but it takes more than a **** to map a car effectively and efficiently! To do that takes experience, which is a tad more than reading a couple of data logs, reading a few threads on the internet and knowing how to switch a laptop on.
There are certainly some mappers out there that I wouldn't pay to map my lawn mower.... but that certainly doesn't detract from me not having any problem to pay someone to map my car, so I can thrash the utter nuts off it AND it makes the figures AND it doesn't cause me a mapping related issue AND it has awesome driveability.
I could learn how to map a car, but quite frankly I can't be arsed and simply don't have the time or the inclination.
So.... let's put this all in to perspective before we all start slamming people.
There are certainly some mappers out there that I wouldn't pay to map my lawn mower.... but that certainly doesn't detract from me not having any problem to pay someone to map my car, so I can thrash the utter nuts off it AND it makes the figures AND it doesn't cause me a mapping related issue AND it has awesome driveability.
I could learn how to map a car, but quite frankly I can't be arsed and simply don't have the time or the inclination.
So.... let's put this all in to perspective before we all start slamming people.
What do you people think mapping is all about , it's not magic or some secret book
It's looking and altering values , running the car measuring the result with hardware and software , then adjusting accordingly to get the desired result
The difference between having more experience is you can input the required values and get closer to your desired result quicker and easier , where as if your not as experienced or not as confidant you will have to take smaller steps and pay more attention to what you're doing because it's not as natural
And providing you pay attention to your hardware and software that's monitoring you won't go wrong
It's that simple
29 July 2012, 11:00 PM
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Any **** can map a car.... but it takes more than a **** to map a car effectively and efficiently! To do that takes experience, which is a tad more than reading a couple of data logs, reading a few threads on the internet and knowing how to switch a laptop on.
There are certainly some mappers out there that I wouldn't pay to map my lawn mower.... but that certainly doesn't detract from me not having any problem to pay someone to map my car, so I can thrash the utter nuts off it AND it makes the figures AND it doesn't cause me a mapping related issue AND it has awesome driveability.
I could learn how to map a car, but quite frankly I can't be arsed and simply don't have the time or the inclination.
So.... let's put this all in to perspective before we all start slamming people.
There are certainly some mappers out there that I wouldn't pay to map my lawn mower.... but that certainly doesn't detract from me not having any problem to pay someone to map my car, so I can thrash the utter nuts off it AND it makes the figures AND it doesn't cause me a mapping related issue AND it has awesome driveability.
I could learn how to map a car, but quite frankly I can't be arsed and simply don't have the time or the inclination.
So.... let's put this all in to perspective before we all start slamming people.
over my years here mapping names have stayed fairly consistant, and i dont think ive seen any collapse - so who are the names you say you wouldnt let map your lawnmowyer?? they long gone or still trading?
29 July 2012, 11:11 PM
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Unfortunately it doesn't take much more than reading a few data logs and switching a laptop on , that's my point , it does or should not command the amount of money people are being charged
What do you people think mapping is all about , it's not magic or some secret book
It's looking and altering values , running the car measuring the result with hardware and software , then adjusting accordingly to get the desired result
The difference between having more experience is you can input the required values and get closer to your desired result quicker and easier , where as if your not as experienced or not as confidant you will have to take smaller steps and pay more attention to what you're doing because it's not as natural
And providing you pay attention to your hardware and software that's monitoring you won't go wrong
It's that simple
What do you people think mapping is all about , it's not magic or some secret book
It's looking and altering values , running the car measuring the result with hardware and software , then adjusting accordingly to get the desired result
The difference between having more experience is you can input the required values and get closer to your desired result quicker and easier , where as if your not as experienced or not as confidant you will have to take smaller steps and pay more attention to what you're doing because it's not as natural
And providing you pay attention to your hardware and software that's monitoring you won't go wrong
It's that simple
I've been around on this scene for many years, had many cars and many mappers do work for me. I also know there are **** mappers and good mappers. If it was THAT straight forward, they would all be awesome at their job. THAT is my point.
One of THE most important things relating to a car, it's performance and it's reliability, is the ability of the mapper. Trust me on that one!
Everything in life is easy... when you know how to do it. However, mapping can't that be that easy, as everyone can't do it.
29 July 2012, 11:18 PM
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And as even though some one here thinks you can read a couple of threads to learn , you can't
Romraider and nasioc are the best to go on
But for the most part they just show you how to go about mapping
The actual changing maps is the part that comes with doing because no two cars are the same so that's where you have figure out what works best
And don't even think about asking an experienced mapper
Because I've tried and it's a very closed shop
29 July 2012, 11:22 PM
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Unfortunately the sites don't really teach mapping
And as even though some one here thinks you can read a couple of threads to learn , you can't
Romraider and nasioc are the best to go on
But for the most part they just show you how to go about mapping
The actual changing maps is the part that comes with doing because no two cars are the same so that's where you have figure out what works best
And don't even think about asking an experienced mapper
Because I've tried and it's a very closed shop
And as even though some one here thinks you can read a couple of threads to learn , you can't
Romraider and nasioc are the best to go on
But for the most part they just show you how to go about mapping
The actual changing maps is the part that comes with doing because no two cars are the same so that's where you have figure out what works best
And don't even think about asking an experienced mapper
Because I've tried and it's a very closed shop
29 July 2012, 11:27 PM
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I know exactly what mapping is about and I certainly know it takes more than an ability to just read a log, to be an effective mapper.
I've been around on this scene for many years, had many cars and many mappers do work for me. I also know there are **** mappers and good mappers. If it was THAT straight forward, they would all be awesome at their job. THAT is my point.
One of THE most important things relating to a car, it's performance and it's reliability, is the ability of the mapper. Trust me on that one!
Everything in life is easy... when you know how to do it. However, mapping can't that be that easy, as everyone can't do it.
I've been around on this scene for many years, had many cars and many mappers do work for me. I also know there are **** mappers and good mappers. If it was THAT straight forward, they would all be awesome at their job. THAT is my point.
One of THE most important things relating to a car, it's performance and it's reliability, is the ability of the mapper. Trust me on that one!
Everything in life is easy... when you know how to do it. However, mapping can't that be that easy, as everyone can't do it.
And some have no interest or desire to do it
But what puzzles me is why do you think it's so hard
It's not , at all
I'm thick and I grasped it pretty quick
I'm now running , mafless , s/d with l/c blah blah
Have done for 1500 trouble free miles ,pulls well no issues whatsoever
And had flashed numerous maps before this final one
I'm sorry mate I can't go along with it and make out its somthing it's not
If I'm a turnip and can do what I've done , what can the more intelligent on here do
29 July 2012, 11:32 PM
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ide rather pay for a trusted mapper such as JGM or Andy F ect who knows what he's doing with a certain car rather than slipping frank down the road £200 who's just bought a couple of cables off ebay and downloaded some software off the internet...and says 'how hard can it be'
29 July 2012, 11:33 PM
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ide rather pay for a trusted mapper such as JGM or Andy F ect who knows what he's doing with a certain car rather than slipping frank down the road £200 who's just bought a couple of cables off ebay and downloaded some software off the internet...and says 'how hard can it be'
29 July 2012, 11:38 PM
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I know exactly what mapping is about and I certainly know it takes more than an ability to just read a log, to be an effective mapper.
I've been around on this scene for many years, had many cars and many mappers do work for me. I also know there are **** mappers and good mappers. If it was THAT straight forward, they would all be awesome at their job. THAT is my point.
One of THE most important things relating to a car, it's performance and it's reliability, is the ability of the mapper. Trust me on that one!
Everything in life is easy... when you know how to do it. However, mapping can't that be that easy, as everyone can't do it.
I've been around on this scene for many years, had many cars and many mappers do work for me. I also know there are **** mappers and good mappers. If it was THAT straight forward, they would all be awesome at their job. THAT is my point.
One of THE most important things relating to a car, it's performance and it's reliability, is the ability of the mapper. Trust me on that one!
Everything in life is easy... when you know how to do it. However, mapping can't that be that easy, as everyone can't do it.
29 July 2012, 11:39 PM
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ide rather pay for a trusted mapper such as JGM or Andy F ect who knows what he's doing with a certain car rather than slipping frank down the road £200 who's just bought a couple of cables off ebay and downloaded some software off the internet...and says 'how hard can it be'
I on the other hand won't be part of the what I call the scooby net sheep fraternity that are led beyond belief and take as gospel what they are told
I'm happy with my work so far so I'm good
29 July 2012, 11:43 PM
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I'm subscribed as well
Could be a ten pager
Always a good thread when a low poster starts something controversial
Why would anyone want to skimp on something as important as a map
Get it wrong and it's a 3k engine rebuilt
£300-£400-£500
Don't think its that expensive for specialist knowledge
29 July 2012, 11:44 PM
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Mate it's your car and your money and if your happy with what you do that's all good
I on the other hand won't be part of the what I call the scooby net sheep fraternity that are led beyond belief and take as gospel what they are told
I'm happy with my work so far so I'm good
I on the other hand won't be part of the what I call the scooby net sheep fraternity that are led beyond belief and take as gospel what they are told
I'm happy with my work so far so I'm good
i dont think people doubt it can be done by yourself or anyone else just not worth the risk
29 July 2012, 11:47 PM
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i think what most people are saying is they would rather have a well known mapper do it with a good reputation than take the risk of there engine being destroyed by a bad mapper done on the cheap.
i dont think people doubt it can be done by yourself or anyone else just not worth the risk
i dont think people doubt it can be done by yourself or anyone else just not worth the risk
Or disasters
There's a hell of a lot of talk about em but no hard facts yet ?
29 July 2012, 11:54 PM
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29 July 2012, 11:56 PM
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a bit like using tesco value oil, it may be ok but why take the risk.
imagine how you would feel if it destroyed your engine.
well done though fella you have started a good thread here thats quite interesting, all we need now are a few mappers to join in and offer there thoughts on the cost and skill involved.
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30 July 2012, 12:00 AM
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Input value
Check value
If not quite right , change initial input value to get correct out put
You can't get any easier
It's on a read out in front of you in big numbers
I do not get how you think it's so hard
You don't want to buy any magic beans do you
30 July 2012, 12:03 AM
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Please tell me why you think it's so hard
Input value
Check value
If not quite right , change initial input value to get correct out put
You can't get any easier
It's on a read out in front of you in big numbers
I do not get how you think it's so hard
You don't want to buy any magic beans do you
Input value
Check value
If not quite right , change initial input value to get correct out put
You can't get any easier
It's on a read out in front of you in big numbers
I do not get how you think it's so hard
You don't want to buy any magic beans do you
30 July 2012, 12:04 AM
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altho i fear a mapper by trade coming into this thread would afce some serious cross examination lol - any volunteers willing to join this impartial thrad?? lol
30 July 2012, 12:05 AM
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i didnt say anyone has had there engine blown up just the thought it may happen.
a bit like using tesco value oil, it may be ok but why take the risk.
imagine how you would feel if it destroyed your engine.
well done though fella you have started a good thread here thats quite interesting, all we need now are a few mappers to join in and offer there thoughts on the cost and skill involved.
a bit like using tesco value oil, it may be ok but why take the risk.
imagine how you would feel if it destroyed your engine.
well done though fella you have started a good thread here thats quite interesting, all we need now are a few mappers to join in and offer there thoughts on the cost and skill involved.
I've been called gobby on here before but I can't go along with some stuff I see
Especially when it's not backed up
lol cmon lets get some input from the good guys please