NBW

Tell me where the public roads are that you can drive the Scoob on for fun these days?

It's a great car, but crawling through traffic or cruising on motorways are not what it's good at.

I also think people are a bit unfair on the Golf these days as regards handling - I was pretty impressed on my test drives by both the 1.8T and the PD150. This month What Car? are proclaiming the PD150 the 'best handling Golf they've EVER driven', and make a good point that that torque makes the chassis feel quite responsive when cornering.

And anyway (flame suit on), IMHO Scooby handling is not particularly brilliant, but they do have loads of grip - which I will miss, especially in the rain!

Cheers
Tim

GaryC

Biggest advantage to the oil burner from the impreza is the cost saving, and cost saving so significant (MY99 to 330d touring auto) it paid for my little weekend/track 'fun' car. 330bhp/tonne anyone....?

Once on the move, my 330d can just keep up with a new std WRX in a straight line (although not an older 'proper' model ) and is a lot less effort to do so, but the weekend car is a different league and wins hands down in everything other than seats and luggage capacity (and wet weather grip but then thats what the 330d is there for )

Those who drive diesels and whinge about running out of revs are not driving them properly. You don't need to screw the **** off them. My 330d has a table top flat torque curve (290lb ft) from c2000 to 4000rpm - why rev any higher? For best performance keep it between that, or do what I did and buy an auto whick will do it for you

Getting back to the point, TDis are not the new GTIs but they are worrying (and in some cases beating) the GTi brigade, and doing so with a lot less effort! Diesels are continuingly getting more powerful - the next generation 330d has 220bhp and over 330lb/ft of torque. Even with the weight disadvantage that will more than worry GTIs/std WRXs et al.

You have been warned

smanning

i agree.... i am on my second scoob which i have just put on the market because i am getting tired of spending about 400 quid a month on fuel.... thinking of the tdi audi.

.. dont think the fun factor in a scoob can outweigh the dent in my wallet any longer.

so if any of you have a newish golf, a4, or bmw that they are thinking of selling for a scoob, then mail me as i have a nicely modded x reg with 17000 miles that i will swap for

dba

its simple for me,using revs and gears is exciting driving,er,not having to use either with this torque thing is just plain boring imo.If driving fast in a straight line in fourth gear is your thing then fair enough,but it aint mine.

mik

dba ~ that's exactly what a VTEC driver would probably say to you!

TDIs require a different style (as stated above) ~ you need to keep it in a different rev range. I don't mind revving the t1ts off an engine, but if I can accelerate faster whilst not having to rev its t1ts off.......that'll do.

Some of them go round corners too. Trouble is that folks often compare the lardy Golf TDI vs Iconic Scooby and deduce that it's relatively soft, devoid of traction/feel/adjustability due to the fact that it's a diesel! Our survey says.....UUH-AAAH!

SteveB

iTrader: (1)

Mik,
Not sure what you mean ?
The reason I bought my Golf TDI PD was a) it does 50MPG + on a run and b) has the best residuals in it's class come resale time. Look at any road test report and it will tell you that the roadholding/handling/feel/feedback etc etc are well below average for the this class of car, exactly what i've found. Mine went back to the dealers 7 times in 12 months so you can't even say they're made well either ! In 5 years of Scoob ownership i've not had any problems. The Scoobs is in a different league completly to the Golf, diesel or not !

Steve.

MartinM

Steve

Yep, I went for one (well, a PD150) too! Arrives Thursday morning to replace the 328 (thanks to Mr Gordon Brown).

We can swap tales of Golf PDs and P1s at the next meet

PS Drove the Tiley's WRX STI Type UK Prodrive demonstrator today - but I'm gonna keep the P1...far superior (IMHO, of course)

[Edited by MartinM - 5/14/2002 11:36:58 PM]

mik

Steve ~ my point precisely.

Many folks have tried a Golf TDI150 and decided it's not for them due to all the reasons you mentioned. Many folks then state that "TDI's are still no match for petrol" instead of "The Golf TDI150 is no match for my Scoob(or whatever)".

johnfelstead

I Hired a Golf TDi 1.9 in Catalunya and spent 2 days in convoy with a bunch of rather quick and modded Impreza's. The only time i struggled was when we got above 125MPH as it hit a brick wall, upto that point the car in some circumstances was faster, especially coming out of roundabouts. It got a bit interesting in some of the downhill fast sweepers too as the weight up front and standard suspension made it less than ideal, then again, i was keeping up with STi's, Scoobysport specials etc so what would you expect.

I filled it up once to compared to 3 times for the scoobs.

It did awesome burnouts too.

If i had to do a lot of comuting, i wouldnt hesitate in having a TDi, they are very good. They can be made to go incrdibly quickly too, neil simpson won a round of the british rally championship in a Golf TDi against all the works 2litre Kit cars. He had something like 450Lb/ft torque.

FreeT

450lb/ft ..... and a quadruple superclutch