If you had seen it and were able to judge whether it were safe, good, etc with out someone explaining it would either very bad indeed or you could map your own car

 

yet another wich hunt,, here say and tales are about all this is,, my personal feelings are GROW UP OR JOG ON!

 

Simon, I might be stating the blindingly obvious here, but I think Banny's comment was referring more to the principal of knowing the facts before being able to make comments of any value to the OP.
I don't think there are many of us on here who could seriously claim to be able to interpret a map, although there are undoubtedly a few.
That's why we use the likes of you and Race Dynamix
Steve.

 

I'd phone simon at JGM , you get what you pay for , cheap is not a good option when it could cost you thousands as a result !

 

Wow whats happened here then!

As regards to mapping i have spoke to "duncan" and was going to have it mapped by him. But unfortunatly he can only do week days which would mean having a day off work ect.... was going to leave it untill after x-mas and try again.

I have since spoke to "graham" (engine mapper) and i'm taking the car down to him this sunday for a re-map as he's local and i don't need a dy off work to do it.

I'm sure they are both very good at what they and nothing in this thread has put me off "duncan" mapping it. Only draw back was having a day off work.

Can't wait for sunday, i'm sure the results will be good

 

So much BS! There are many other members on here who have experienced similar issues but prefer to keep shut.

My car was previously mapped by Duncan so i have lots of experience, please feel free to ask whatever you want.

To those that have used RD for mapping, go monitor your car properly. If you have just upgraded from a Saxo to a Subaru then thats fair enough, you have no knowledge. For those who dont rev there cars part 5k try revving it to redline and do a few top end runs. Then come back and post your crap. For the wise ones, put your car on a proper dyno and get the fueling, boost etc checked. I would also invest in a boost gauge!

I might aswell post my thread from 22b aswell.

I bit the bullet and got the car mapped again, plus dyno time. Also had to replace oil, plugs and actuator thanks to RD.

 

What exactly were your issues with his remap, not after an argument, just intrigued?

Duncan mapped my car and it drives very nicely, and will soon -reluctantly- be put on a dyno (i really could not care less about figures) mainly to see how its running.
Ive had a few quick cars that have been mapped in my relatively short driving life and to be completely and honestly truthful, my impreza is the best of the bunch. Smoother than standard, a good punch of power and it even became more economical.
Ive had a one car that was a pain in the **** after a remap, so i do know the flipside.

 

Kas's was running economically too.... Just a bit too eco

 

Yeah, your real experienced aren't you Kas Spec C/Aladin/Kareenababy or whatever multiple username you chose to use! Two of which have been banned for trolling
Your understanding of mapping was well and truely proved on this thread wasn't it?

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...nce-remap.html

Didn't you play around with the AVCR and **** things up and proceed to slag off the mapper and nearly ruin his very good rep due to your stupidity and total lack of understanding of how engine management works?
Feel free to argue to case, but the proof is in the link posted.

 

Civilization as we know it will end soon, the worlds population will be split not on Race, origin or religion, no. But on who mapped your car

 

Lmao

 

 

Micaredwrx you are a legend! Brilliant! Haha

 

omg,,, hello real world

 

Another one with full of opinions. I dont need to argte nothing as you and your comments dont bother me.

By the way Aladdin wasnt banned lol. Pull your finger
out the other guys backside before its too late.

Am out

 

I'm sorry, but Kas you are completely out of order posting about RD in the manner you have been after reading the above thread! What on earth gives you the right to comment on his abillities when it was your fault your car was out of tune??!!

 

I don't think the problem with the AVCR is anything to do with the problem that Kas had with his S202, two different mappers, two different cars and two different ECU's as well I believe.

Unless I got it wrong.

 

..... but one common denominator

 

Correct, but only one which could be easily altered by the owner it would seem.

Mappers are like opinions, everyone else's is not as good as yours, we all like our 'own' and we all argue like **** that ours are the best.

I've only experience of Bob Rawle and I know he's the best.

 

Apologies, it seems that I was paying more attention to the thread itself than the mapper involved!

 

Lol.

Your completely right. People choose the mapper and put their faith and hard earned cash towards what they believe to be the best decision. They have to trust the mapper. If comments and bad "opinion" are thrown around it makes people doubt they have done the wrong thing. Things are bound to get heated as people effectively defend themeslves for their choice in mapper.

That's why I think kas's comments are out of order.

At the end of the day I and probably only a few people know the full details of some problems and failures. That's why we should happily put forward positive comments only.

That's my opinion. Lol. I'm done, popcorn nearly ready!

 

My view is not specific to this person but more an overall comment on this thread. I do think those that want to flag up problems with a potential supplier of a service should be able to do so, after all, just because the majority of people know very little about mapping it doesn't mean that the negative comments are not valid. It is very much harder for a customer to formulate a negative comment with facts however, as mapping knowledge is very specific and requires a lot of experience to answer and validate the key facts.

I'm not condoning comments so far that are negative, however if someone had a negative comment about a garage that had fitting a battery the wrong way around, then plenty of people that knew this was wrong would quite rightly point it out that perhaps that garage wasn't aware of fundamental electrical rules and had done something wrong.

In all cases the first point of call for the customer in any situation like this is back to the supplier to correct the problem with a satisfactory outcome. If that is not achieved then inevitably there will be unhappy customers of a given supplier. It happens, after all mappers are not super human and will make miss-takes. How they are dealt with is the measure of the man.

When I started tuning my own cars and building engines some 10 years ago I had many strange and emotional trips taking my rally cars to rolling roads and over seeing the tuning process, sometimes with very bad results even with incredibly reputable tuners. One engine failure on a very well known tuners dyno left me sick inside as they couldn't explain why one cylinder had melted on my brand new 10k race engine. I put it down to an issue that was in the build for me to discover, only to rebuild and return to a different dyno, (due to a little suspicion), and find that a simple fueling issue from a carb hadn't been spotted which was the cause. Spotted in the first two minutes by the new tuner. I approached the previous tuner for perhaps at the very least an apology with the facts in hand and a very generous attitude, (nicey nicey), only to confronted by a blatent 'not our problem' attitude.

It was at this point on that I decided the only way forward was to trust no one but myself and do everything myself. Things I didn't know or needed to know I would have to find out, research or go find someone that knew.

I've been mapping for years, but fell into mapping professionally after a local company had me remap a number of their cars as a bit of a test, (prior mapped already), and safely we managed to better every cars figures by a good margin.

Since then I've been very involved with Steve Simpson and Teg Sport and their developments, mapping the Isle of Man Subaru car with Steve and helping us both keep our technical development striving ahead of our competitors, (the saying is, two heads better than one!).

I approach each and every mapping job with a little anxiety and anticipation as to what I will encounter and whether the customer will go away with that grin on the face that I always had when it all came together on my own builds and I do not stop until that happens, I cannot do anymore than I already do, even though sometimes it is bad news. I'll be on the end of the phone for those that just need advice and I'll be there for those that need a pick-me-up to see it through to the end. The day at which that feeling disappears before a mapping session is the day that I have gotten too complacent and it will be the day I stop doing what I do!

I'm not infallible either and I welcome those with any issues past or present to contact me first and allow me to sort them. I hope there are none and never will be, but nobody's perfect!

My point? Well really this. Mapping is seen as a black art and those that are doing it as knowledgeable. As a customer you cannot tell what you are getting without the knowledge to understand what you've paid for and the results you are given. The problem is, how do the bad realise they are bad and the good excel because they are doing a good job? How do you as a customer tell? I'm in the process of writing an article that should help you tell and I'm hoping some other mappers will contribute, but I think the key missing point in all of this is the customers knowledge and the power to be able to act based on that knowledge, good or bad.

P.S. in no way aimed at RD.

Graham

 

Sodding touch phones. Should have said I don't know details. Lol. Idiot

 

Thats correct Ty.

Micaredwrx always loves to post that particular thread. However he never posts the second thread. I wonder why.
..

Back to the OP, if you want piece of mind and a good tune my signature is your way forward. Other then that its entirely upto you. I am just sharing my experience and dont wish the same on anyone else.

Micaredwrx, i will meet you in the fight club shortly.

 

Excellent post Graham .

 

So is Kas Spec C and Kareenababy the same person?
Sorry but if you are then your credability is shot mate.
Making a bit of a pastime out of slating mappers aren't you?

 

foooooook me looking back at the question at the start of this thread. - will a remap make a big differance???

a simple yes or no would of done ...............

 

and all with no changes to the car ... apart from the fmic that you fitted prior to graham remapping it. Pretty normal to see a 25bhp gain from mapping for a fmic. It is also normal to be able to eek a few extra horses on any road map when tweaking on the dyno (whoever the orginal mapper is/was), which is why I hold monthly map tweak/dyno days at lots of dynos around the country so that people can get the best of both worlds, ie the real world drivability of a road map with the peak/pub figures gained from a dyno map.

Recent days have been a great success at RCM, SRR, APT, Evotune, Hayes Dynotech, Scoobyclinic and others and will continue to schedule these and invite my customers along.

With regards to that dyno day at Silverstone that I had organised but unfortunately couldnt make in the end for family reasons, the fan placement was beyond the end of the ramps because (i am informed) they dont bother moving the fan closer on dyno days as it takes up too much time. No surprise to see that some cars with tmics such as yours or steves were seeing the effects of heat build up towards the end of the runs. In an environment that is already handicapping tmic cars, to have such a diffused airflow into the scoop hinders it further. All the cars were mapped 100% det free on the road and would perform in the same way should the fan be set to aid cooling on tmic as normal.

Greg had fitted a full 3 inch exhaust to his just prior to that day and tbh was no surprise that the map was off as a result.

I take great care and interest in all the cars i map and was dissappointed that personal circumstances kept me away from being there on the day (unpaid) to help the club and its members getting the best results. I was happy to invest a day in getting the figures and double ensuring safe running foc for those concerned and had offered dates to sort but ssc never came back to me to make use of this.

I welcome feedback from my customers good or bad and like most busy mappers on here recieve many hundreds of texts, emails, phone calls a week from potential customers, existing customers and from people asking advice, upgrade ideas, next steps etc. I try and be at the end of a line whereever possible.

Back to the OP though - shame you couldnt get the day off. I do work weekends and very often do but just not that weekend in that area. I am sure Graham will transform the car for you and the modding bug will bite

 

Lol at ano7 ptn

Can't wait till sunday to let graham work his magic haha.

 

Thanks duncan.

I was going to leave it untill after x-mas. But once it entered my head,i just wanted it doing asap.

Kev.