The fog clears, two sides to every story.

I do sometimes think there is a little too much of a witch hunt every time someone starts a RD thread.

Could it be something to do with the Open source Vs Ecutec bitch fest.

At the end of the day Ecutec started life the same way as Open source, but it would seem to me at least that it's a case of poacher turned game keeper.

I shall be contacting all of the mappers in this thread before my next mapping session with a view to making an informed decision, having previously had maps that may or may not have resulted in rebuilds i am very nervous and quite p1ssed at the attitude of those i have used in the past.

There always seems to be an excuse as to why it's not their fault, but as laymen do we ever really know.

There seems to be no accountability in this tuning mallarkey and mistakes are just swept under the carpet and the excuse of "well thats what happens with moddified cars" is trolled out over and over again while these people continue to take our money, and we the customers are left with big bills and forced to bounce from ok corrall to high chaperal in the blind hope of finding someone that knows what they are doing.

I now like Graham above have resorted to my own engine building and no doubt at some stage in the future will have to learn how to map.

After all it would seem that this is how most started life as mappers and tuners.

We are all dissgrunteled customers of some cowboy or another..

 

It’s sad that we have to keep getting to this point where a mapper has to come on here, give their account of a story to justify themselves after a witch hunt!

 

as they chant from the stands " your not singing... your not singing..... your not singing anymore. ..............youuuur not siiiinging annnnymooore!!!!!.....

 

May I respectfully suggest that a group hug is in order here?
I think it's fair to say that we don't actually HAVE to have Subarus, but we're all led there willingly, yes?

Here's a happy little story to cheer us all up a bit.

These pigs were apparently dropped off on an otherwise deserted Caribbean island some time ago as a potential food source in a crisis. Since then they've been left to their own devices, and live an idyllic existence, eating, drinking, sha--ing and playing in the surf.
No money, no machinery, no politics other than the usual porcine pecking order.
No worries.. Boy am I envious.. Sigh ..

 

Thats good, perhaps then you can reply to Martin, the guy referenced in the 22b thread, he has been emailing, texting and calling you for 2 weeks with no reply.

 

Andy - I have had no texts or calls from Martin for 3 weeks but have been in email contact with him and unfortunately have been away almost solid working for the past couple of weeks so hadn't replied to his latest email. A holding email was sent to him this morning while I was at home and connected to the Internet and a full reply tonight or tomorrow am. (although I am unsure what business of yours it is apart from competition in business)

 

You appear to talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

Maybe I just do business differently, my No1 priority would be to respond promptly to a customer who is facing an £8k bill for an engine failure.

 

Christ, I wish we could get £8,000 for stock engine builds

 

I can't quite believe what I'm reading here.
It's bad enough when us plebs start slinging mud at the mappers.
Now we've got the mappers doing it amongst themselves, or at least one of them appears to be.
Well done. Great example for prospective customers.

 

i totally agree it freakin pathetic,
every mapper has had problems at one stage of there career inc you mr andy f, selling cracked turbo`s then repairing them with E metal and sending them back out to the customer, i saw this first hand, i may well get shot for posting this but hey you arnt holding back are you,,.
its time all this stopped, point scoring is all it is, but to be honest it really is making most of you look pretty desperate,.
and DUCK!!

 

And there in lies the rub.

The ecutec boys have had it all there own way for so long they don't know what competition is with regards the mapping scene, as if it were not enough to have our pants down with this licence bolax, they then fooked your ecu for anyone else to be able to map it with any thing other than more ecutec software, and if you, mod further your tied to that particular mapper, so if you become dicgrunteled with one mapper you have then to pay another the full wack for a new map.

I wonder why thats not mentioned at point of sale.

I don't think those that are a party to such business practices should be commenting on the business practices of others.. the saying glass houses and stones springs to mind.

 

jeeeeeezus h christ ..... the guy only wanted to know if a map would make his car better .. like i said a yes or no would do ...
but instead some people who really should know better have taken this chance to rip into fellow mappers.
imo that is very low and infact not very professional thing to do at all....
if you can walk the walk mr f then please do so and let your work do the talking . cheap shots like that do nothing for your reputation.

 

alls fair in love and mapping it aeems.................

 

You haters have a short memory, it wasn't that long ago that Duncan was publically slating one of Bob Rawles maps.

Nobody is perfect and everyone can make mistakes, it how you deal with these mistakes that matters. Ignoring someone and hoping they will go away quietly is not the right way.

If it takes a post such as my previous one to get it sorted for the guy then so be it. I genuinely feel for him and the others that have suffered a similar fate.

 

And could that not of been done via a polite pm . no???

or is it more a case of a dink in the armour??

 

 

You keep saying people should stop saying things but did you not start saying 'youre not singing anymore?' You have been just as much of a contributor

 

no mud bn flung from this direction mate and nor will there be.
im all for a happy world with candyfloss trees and marshmellow roads...

 

My understanding, and it may well be wrong, is that you only have to pay for the ECUTek license once, not tied to whoever mapped it originally.

However, mappers will obviously want to protect there work - intellectual property(?), therefore needing a full map as opposed to a tweak if changing mappers.

I think I'll just stay with my crappy un-mappable OEM ECU, it does ok.

 

 

Correct Micky, ditchmyster is wrong. Once a car has an Ecutek map, any Ecutek mapper can map it, you are not locked out or tied to one mapper. Also many mappers, Duncan included can access Ecutek maps, well most of them anyway, the latest Race Rom from Ecutek has not been hacked yet.

Oh and just to add, your ECU is mappable now

 

say it how i see it thats me.... right or wrong friend or foe... some may like that others may not ..... not arsed either way realy...

 

Turned into a sad thread for scoobynet and it's mapping fraternity unfortunately.

 

This is now turned into a thread from 22b.com where mappers/tuners wave their ****** around trying to out do one'n'other with what they have done and what they are doing....cracks me up.

Mappers are all as bad as each other slagging off each others work, had my car mapped by 3 different mappers and each one commented on how "this wasn't quite right and that was wan't quite right"

Well lets face it, a mapper is not going to turn around and say that the map is spot on and can not be adjusted for the better!

 

I agree. Painful to see, everyone lining up behind their preferred mapper and throwing stones at each other.

Ref. AJs Pigs on a desert island, thats the life isnt it?

 

For free? Andy, you're too kind! Can I borrow your 22B also.

 

Edited for accruacy Myles, well some people do regard these guys as Gods!

 

To the original OP. I had a map done by Duncan on the same spec of car (UK300) and almost identical mods. The only thing he had to chance was a boost solenoid IIRC on the day.

Car has been running perfectly ever since. And it was at least 20% quicker in all gears over the PPP map. Better torque as well. I sold the car in March of last year and if my memory serves me right the map now would be coming into its third year of its life. I sold the car to a colleague. Duncan popped by our workplace when I sold it to make a tweak at no extra charge (when he was in the area) and he also went through all the hassle of sourcing me a standard ecu as I had a PPP one. He also arranged at the dealer to have it coded etc on the day.

I've been around performance cars for years. Also been involved heavily in high power cosworths and big power engines in that arena. The service both post and prior to the map was perfect in every sense.

The car is now nearly 100,000 miles old and still has not missed a beat. The current owner also drives it hard/properly.

For me the mapping decision issue is simple. You are stretching a car beyond its designed capability according to the manufacturers standard spec. Whether an engine can 'take it' or not you run the risk by modding your car for it to go pop/whizz/bang/sizzle etc.

My new STi will return to Duncan soon and I too will again be choosing to have him remap it knowing the dangers.....

I knew a mapper at a very well known performance car specialist for years who had cars go bang. Back then there were no internet trolls to try to muddy the water when news broke.

I'm sure Duncan is/will be helping where if at any point what he did was his fault.

And before anyone thinks 'You chose him because he was a little cheaper than the rest' you'd only need to ask Len at Subaru4U who looked after my car whether money was ever an issue in looking after my car properly

Good luck Dunc. Any publicity is good publicity!

 

Edited for accuracy, Gits!

 

lol fairone, big fingers small phone