Flippin' eck. Somebody is a bit happy with the thread lock button today.
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I am going to go 'mad' with a reply here, and what I will state is that this is a reply strictly as a member of this board and not a moderator! I don't expect anyone to necessarily answer this publically, but it could be food for thought.
And I state that I am not taking sides
If you guys that are friends of Ross are so sure he is right in all this and has been royally shafted and that there is compelling evidence that would prove him to be the wronged party, would you put your money where your mouth is in helping him, other than just ranting on a forum?
It has been stated a few times before that he isn' in a financial position to take this to court, but how about you as a group, pool together and raise the funds to do this??
Ultimately, sounding off on a forum may or may not influence the decisions of other members....It could well make no difference, who knows, but no matter what, it doesn't really help Ross.
Assuming he is totally right, the right way to go is through the law and you guys could help with that. I know that if I was the friend of a wronged person, I would want to actively help them personally, and back and forth exchanges on a forum isn't going to achieve anything to speak of.
Again, I repeat, this is not me assuming who is right or wrong, I don't know either way without a doubt.
And I state that I am not taking sides
If you guys that are friends of Ross are so sure he is right in all this and has been royally shafted and that there is compelling evidence that would prove him to be the wronged party, would you put your money where your mouth is in helping him, other than just ranting on a forum?
It has been stated a few times before that he isn' in a financial position to take this to court, but how about you as a group, pool together and raise the funds to do this??
Ultimately, sounding off on a forum may or may not influence the decisions of other members....It could well make no difference, who knows, but no matter what, it doesn't really help Ross.
Assuming he is totally right, the right way to go is through the law and you guys could help with that. I know that if I was the friend of a wronged person, I would want to actively help them personally, and back and forth exchanges on a forum isn't going to achieve anything to speak of.
Again, I repeat, this is not me assuming who is right or wrong, I don't know either way without a doubt.
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As an advertiser, you know only too well what it can be like to get slated, whether it be warranted or not (probably unfairly as I love you ), and how bad mouthing has the risk of damaging business/reputation, especially if the information is actually false/unfair. In this case, we just don't know, so we have been as fair as we can, only nobody seems to get that, most likely as they feel a personal attachment to this.
This is how we are between a rock and a hard place.
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It is up to the mods as a whole how things will pan out, but if the thread was only going to be used as a project thread, then maybe it could be reopened/copied, but I'm not sure it would be and if not, we get back to square one.
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Like I say, I have only had a quick look, but I'd imagine, given the circumstances that other mods have also looked into posting history and determined he isn't actually advertising commercially on here. If we have missed something significant, then I'm sure you'll help us out.
Seriously for a mo, this should be even more reason for you guys to understand we are not 'protecting' an AA. We are making no money off the back of him, we have just tried to act as fairly as poss.
To add, as I really don't want people to think I am ignoring them, but I must go to bed. I've got work in the morning, as said no web , but will be back in the evening.
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That was the first thing I checked when all this cropped up, Lisa. To see if he was a authorised advertiser or if he was trying to trade as a private member; I didn't find any obvious advertising on Scoobynet (apart from thrid party references), and certainly nothing that was reported.
I could be wrong but I don't think he has ever been an authorised advertiser on here, otherwise there would be contact details in the vendor list (expired advertiser accounts won't be visible to the public). Also the username would cross-ref to any users names that would have been enabled for advertising (note all trade accounts are automatically disabled when they cease paying to be an authorised advertiser). Usernames used with the advertiser account can't be used once that user ceases to be an authorised advertiser (or at least that was the case when I last checked), so the Juggers account has never have been enabled for trade status, as it were, it would have been disabled by now.
(hope that makes sense )
I could be wrong but I don't think he has ever been an authorised advertiser on here, otherwise there would be contact details in the vendor list (expired advertiser accounts won't be visible to the public). Also the username would cross-ref to any users names that would have been enabled for advertising (note all trade accounts are automatically disabled when they cease paying to be an authorised advertiser). Usernames used with the advertiser account can't be used once that user ceases to be an authorised advertiser (or at least that was the case when I last checked), so the Juggers account has never have been enabled for trade status, as it were, it would have been disabled by now.
(hope that makes sense )
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Well, the user profile for PCM in the mod control panel should be show as being listed as in the 'former vendor' usergroup.
This account isn't. So either he has never paid SN to trade on here or something has cocked up; as when payment lapses it 'should' automatically put the advertiser into the former vendor user group (which then locks teh user out of the account to prevent them using it to trade).
edit: Hang on, 2006? Was this before Stu/IB took over? If so, that may explain it and why there is no vendor listing in the directory (I suspect things weren't quite so organised back then )
This account isn't. So either he has never paid SN to trade on here or something has cocked up; as when payment lapses it 'should' automatically put the advertiser into the former vendor user group (which then locks teh user out of the account to prevent them using it to trade).
edit: Hang on, 2006? Was this before Stu/IB took over? If so, that may explain it and why there is no vendor listing in the directory (I suspect things weren't quite so organised back then )
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I am going to go 'mad' with a reply here, and what I will state is that this is a reply strictly as a member of this board and not a moderator! I don't expect anyone to necessarily answer this publically, but it could be food for thought.
And I state that I am not taking sides
If you guys that are friends of Ross are so sure he is right in all this and has been royally shafted and that there is compelling evidence that would prove him to be the wronged party, would you put your money where your mouth is in helping him, other than just ranting on a forum?
It has been stated a few times before that he isn' in a financial position to take this to court, but how about you as a group, pool together and raise the funds to do this??
Ultimately, sounding off on a forum may or may not influence the decisions of other members....It could well make no difference, who knows, but no matter what, it doesn't really help Ross.
Assuming he is totally right, the right way to go is through the law and you guys could help with that. I know that if I was the friend of a wronged person, I would want to actively help them personally, and back and forth exchanges on a forum isn't going to achieve anything to speak of.
Again, I repeat, this is not me assuming who is right or wrong, I don't know either way without a doubt.
And I state that I am not taking sides
If you guys that are friends of Ross are so sure he is right in all this and has been royally shafted and that there is compelling evidence that would prove him to be the wronged party, would you put your money where your mouth is in helping him, other than just ranting on a forum?
It has been stated a few times before that he isn' in a financial position to take this to court, but how about you as a group, pool together and raise the funds to do this??
Ultimately, sounding off on a forum may or may not influence the decisions of other members....It could well make no difference, who knows, but no matter what, it doesn't really help Ross.
Assuming he is totally right, the right way to go is through the law and you guys could help with that. I know that if I was the friend of a wronged person, I would want to actively help them personally, and back and forth exchanges on a forum isn't going to achieve anything to speak of.
Again, I repeat, this is not me assuming who is right or wrong, I don't know either way without a doubt.
And so what Ross`s friends and Ross has tried to do is warn others as this is the only option left open to us. And we`ve been met with nothing but resistance from yourselves making us wonder who`s pulling your strings. I fully understand the legalities of libel and the forum being involved and some moderation has definatly been needed. But you have some powercrazy Mods there who have done nothing more than wind people up. So you should expect the accusations that have been made.
To clarify we believe it only fair to use this forum to warn others about the way Ross has been treated. As has been shown by the other thread with possibly a different dealer on a vx 220 forum. Where the Mods felt it was right to exspose a cheat before someone else got ripped off.
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Please be aware that SN has a no tolerance policy towards direct insults of the Web Team. All the Mods are volunteers and do not deserve this level of abuse. Such abuse will result in an instant ban.
If you have a legitimate complaint against a member of the Web Team, put it politely and in the correct forum.
As far as this situation goes: You are not aware of the all the facts regarding private conversations between the Web Team and the parties involved. You do not know what is occurring away from the public forums and are utterly unfairly accusing the Web Team of bias.
Simply because we are not 'siding' with one party you are wrongly assuming we are 'siding' with another. We are not.
We are trying to remain neutral in this which will mean that BOTH parties will feel the same.
I suggest that those people who continue to belittle the Web team here remind themselves that all the people not in the employ of IB (including myself) are not paid to do this, but simply to help out on this forum; and that you wind your necks in and provide constructive criticism rather than invent wild conspiracy theories and throw insults around.
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Sorry its easier to reply here than in policy as i cant reply.
So if there are still further questions relating to a similar item of the original we have to start YET again another thread?
So if there are still further questions relating to a similar item of the original we have to start YET again another thread?
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The question has repeatedly been put to IB regarding this and the answer is that ONLY the OP and the Web Team should be allowed to post in a thread created in Policy.
You may not like it, but that is the Policy laid down by IB. I have spoken about this, and that is what I am told.
You may not like it, but that is the Policy laid down by IB. I have spoken about this, and that is what I am told.
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Please be aware that SN has a no tolerance policy towards direct insults of the Web Team. All the Mods are volunteers and do not deserve this level of abuse. Such abuse will result in an instant ban.
If you have a legitimate complaint against a member of the Web Team, put it politely and in the correct forum.
As far as this situation goes: You are not aware of the all the facts regarding private conversations between the Web Team and the parties involved. You do not know what is occurring away from the public forums and are utterly unfairly accusing the Web Team of bias.
Simply because we are not 'siding' with one party you are wrongly assuming we are 'siding' with another. We are not.
We are trying to remain neutral in this which will mean that BOTH parties will feel the same.
I suggest that those people who continue to belittle the Web team here remind themselves that all the people not in the employ of IB (including myself) are not paid to do this, but simply to help out on this forum; and that you wind your necks in and provide constructive criticism rather than invent wild conspiracy theories and throw insults around.
If you have a legitimate complaint against a member of the Web Team, put it politely and in the correct forum.
As far as this situation goes: You are not aware of the all the facts regarding private conversations between the Web Team and the parties involved. You do not know what is occurring away from the public forums and are utterly unfairly accusing the Web Team of bias.
Simply because we are not 'siding' with one party you are wrongly assuming we are 'siding' with another. We are not.
We are trying to remain neutral in this which will mean that BOTH parties will feel the same.
I suggest that those people who continue to belittle the Web team here remind themselves that all the people not in the employ of IB (including myself) are not paid to do this, but simply to help out on this forum; and that you wind your necks in and provide constructive criticism rather than invent wild conspiracy theories and throw insults around.
And if it was you, you are prooving me right because it seems it`s fine for you to insult me but IF it`s returned it`s against the rules.
Just choose my non constructive posts to comment on and ignore the constructive ones.
Love from the " Old man smartarse "
ps you wonder how bad feelings are created and we`ve been told to grow up.
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The question has repeatedly been put to IB regarding this and the answer is that ONLY the OP and the Web Team should be allowed to post in a thread created in Policy.
You may not like it, but that is the Policy laid down by IB. I have spoken about this, and that is what I am told.
You may not like it, but that is the Policy laid down by IB. I have spoken about this, and that is what I am told.
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