SBR 2.35 Bugeye Wagon JDM WRX AVCS Project
#481
Little update:
On Saturday and Sunday we are been on the Santa Pod RWYB...
Wagon has been amazing,on some needs things to have look like is the high ACT(Air Charge Temperature) during the queueing,we are thinking to use water spray,which will be spraying direct on the FMIC core
As Latso(my brother) said,all been perfect,but still on the Toyo R888 we are managed put good times with lower terminal speed.
Now about the times,on the Saturday we are come there around 2pm and drive there has been awful,on M1 has been again congestion and we are queued for good 10 miles.
On the Santa pod has been Rotorstock which has been great,seen few nice modified RX7 and RX8,but still pretty disappointed with the times.
But seen there few real drag runs,like 6.8s/265mph Mazda 350z(Project Zed) and few oldschool Muscle cars,shame my camera battery died
But biggest surprise for us has been Honda Civic drag specials,which done low 10's on the every run,crazy
Now about the our attempts:
Everything has been ready on first drive and we are been ready,my brother went to drag strip and first time has been 12.5/115.07,not bad,my brother went again on the 3 runs and he done same times with 12.5
After he done few runs when come to pit and we are started to lower the tyre pressure to 20psi
My brother went again on the drag strip and he done again 5 runs and he did similar times and I've been little bit disappointed,on last attempt before he comes to pit he done again 11.9484/116.10,when seen this time and looked on the terminal speed,before on the road tyres he did almost same time with higher terminal speed
We are little bit rest and I've logged last runs and at 5pm my brother went again on the strip and he done 4runs,at this point I was thinking time will go down and we should will be only improving,but still times started go up and down,best time at this time has been just 12.1 and worse has been 12.9 when he bogged down
Again around the 17:30 we are went on the last 4 runs with our fiend Luke,he runs Audi S4 with NOS and he running 400bhp,not sure if its with NOS or without the NOS
His first run bigged down and time has been 12.9,next run has been little bit better with 12.5,on the third run,he did our personal best 11.8395/117.45mph and after that he did one more run and this time has been 11.9232/116.73mph
We are decided go home and we are been pretty happy with this time,here is video from our best run,more videos will be uploaded,just will need time to edit and mainly compress to lower size
On Sunday we are come there around the 11am and there has been big queue,we are come to pit and there has been again lots of cars and we are seen again there are few other events and we are know will be today not the best,plus ACT temps has been just crazy at queue and we are just pushed the wagon,he went on the track after lunchtime and he did his first time 12.5/116mph not the best,but we are think we will improve,but after my brother done again 5 runs,times has been almost same with one 12.1 and few low 12s,we are been not happy and mainly this day RWYB has been little bit more busy than other RWYB days and we are decide go home around at 4pm,my brother has have something to do...
Here is our best run,thanks Sean for GoPro HD
I would like to say thanks to the Jag(JP4) and Neil for recommendations
Thanks guys
Jura
On Saturday and Sunday we are been on the Santa Pod RWYB...
Wagon has been amazing,on some needs things to have look like is the high ACT(Air Charge Temperature) during the queueing,we are thinking to use water spray,which will be spraying direct on the FMIC core
As Latso(my brother) said,all been perfect,but still on the Toyo R888 we are managed put good times with lower terminal speed.
Now about the times,on the Saturday we are come there around 2pm and drive there has been awful,on M1 has been again congestion and we are queued for good 10 miles.
On the Santa pod has been Rotorstock which has been great,seen few nice modified RX7 and RX8,but still pretty disappointed with the times.
But seen there few real drag runs,like 6.8s/265mph Mazda 350z(Project Zed) and few oldschool Muscle cars,shame my camera battery died
But biggest surprise for us has been Honda Civic drag specials,which done low 10's on the every run,crazy
Now about the our attempts:
Everything has been ready on first drive and we are been ready,my brother went to drag strip and first time has been 12.5/115.07,not bad,my brother went again on the 3 runs and he done same times with 12.5
After he done few runs when come to pit and we are started to lower the tyre pressure to 20psi
My brother went again on the drag strip and he done again 5 runs and he did similar times and I've been little bit disappointed,on last attempt before he comes to pit he done again 11.9484/116.10,when seen this time and looked on the terminal speed,before on the road tyres he did almost same time with higher terminal speed
We are little bit rest and I've logged last runs and at 5pm my brother went again on the strip and he done 4runs,at this point I was thinking time will go down and we should will be only improving,but still times started go up and down,best time at this time has been just 12.1 and worse has been 12.9 when he bogged down
Again around the 17:30 we are went on the last 4 runs with our fiend Luke,he runs Audi S4 with NOS and he running 400bhp,not sure if its with NOS or without the NOS
His first run bigged down and time has been 12.9,next run has been little bit better with 12.5,on the third run,he did our personal best 11.8395/117.45mph and after that he did one more run and this time has been 11.9232/116.73mph
We are decided go home and we are been pretty happy with this time,here is video from our best run,more videos will be uploaded,just will need time to edit and mainly compress to lower size
On Sunday we are come there around the 11am and there has been big queue,we are come to pit and there has been again lots of cars and we are seen again there are few other events and we are know will be today not the best,plus ACT temps has been just crazy at queue and we are just pushed the wagon,he went on the track after lunchtime and he did his first time 12.5/116mph not the best,but we are think we will improve,but after my brother done again 5 runs,times has been almost same with one 12.1 and few low 12s,we are been not happy and mainly this day RWYB has been little bit more busy than other RWYB days and we are decide go home around at 4pm,my brother has have something to do...
Here is our best run,thanks Sean for GoPro HD
I would like to say thanks to the Jag(JP4) and Neil for recommendations
Thanks guys
Jura
Last edited by jura11; 21 August 2012 at 06:14 PM.
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Nice write up and "very" hot weekend for the pod, always going to stuggle on days like that.
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Thanks again for your comment
Jura
Thanks again for your comment
Jura
Thanks Banny,hope so in coming months will be cooler and we can try improve the time and if you come on the Santa pod would love to see yours
Thanks again for your comment
Jura
#486
Few updates:
Yesterday we are been at Neil@Slowboy racing for our wagon,he done amazing job again on the wagon,replaced speed sensor and replaced our track wheels for ROTA.. Thanks Neil for great job:thumbsup:
Neil fitted yesterday new Race Technology "Hal effect" Speed sensor,first sensor which has sent Race technology has been faulty.First sensor which they're sent simply doesn't switch when detect the metal plus voltage has been there strange,Neil suspected is faulty and RT has confirmed this.Neil fitted sensor on the driveshaft where shouldn't be exposed to heat from brakes.
First sensor which has been fitted before has been damaged on the track(from report looking like has been melted,but still don't understand how it is possible),RT don't like idea when has been fitted near brake disc,but RT has seen this last time and their technician seen this and confirm this is good place for speed sensor.They're accept the fault,but still we are must pay 1/2 for speed sensor..
Finally after that,we are getting speed like on the Dash2 and Toucan which is good.
Car feels awesome in any gear,after driving Megane switching to Subaru is difference like day and night,we are done yesterday small B-roads driving and we are been surprised how car behave/feels on the b-roads after driving the Renault,Renault is OK,but is in the different league like Subaru
We are speak with Neil about the our plan go with 2.35L and all now depends on the sell of the engine,but if we will sell the our 2.1L stroker we will go ahead with 2.35L.
With 2.35L and GT35R should be fun on the drag and on the track,we are very exciting about this:thumbsup:
Jura
Yesterday we are been at Neil@Slowboy racing for our wagon,he done amazing job again on the wagon,replaced speed sensor and replaced our track wheels for ROTA.. Thanks Neil for great job:thumbsup:
Neil fitted yesterday new Race Technology "Hal effect" Speed sensor,first sensor which has sent Race technology has been faulty.First sensor which they're sent simply doesn't switch when detect the metal plus voltage has been there strange,Neil suspected is faulty and RT has confirmed this.Neil fitted sensor on the driveshaft where shouldn't be exposed to heat from brakes.
First sensor which has been fitted before has been damaged on the track(from report looking like has been melted,but still don't understand how it is possible),RT don't like idea when has been fitted near brake disc,but RT has seen this last time and their technician seen this and confirm this is good place for speed sensor.They're accept the fault,but still we are must pay 1/2 for speed sensor..
Finally after that,we are getting speed like on the Dash2 and Toucan which is good.
Car feels awesome in any gear,after driving Megane switching to Subaru is difference like day and night,we are done yesterday small B-roads driving and we are been surprised how car behave/feels on the b-roads after driving the Renault,Renault is OK,but is in the different league like Subaru
We are speak with Neil about the our plan go with 2.35L and all now depends on the sell of the engine,but if we will sell the our 2.1L stroker we will go ahead with 2.35L.
With 2.35L and GT35R should be fun on the drag and on the track,we are very exciting about this:thumbsup:
Jura
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Your engine hope so will be done soon,looking forward to see yours
Renault is great car for day to day driving,feels OK,interior wise awesome place to be,but still something we are missing there
Jura
#489
Few updates:
Yesterday we are been at Neil@Slowboy racing handed down our wagon for upgrade which is bellow
For our 2.1L package we are received deposit and engine will be removed next week
Plan is have 2.35L with those parts fitted:
EJ22T block
Mahle Pistons
Carrillo A-Beam rods
Cosworth HG
79mm Crank
Modified Oil pump
New water pump
14mm ARP Headstuds
Cosworth or RCM baffled plate
Bigger sump
Cosworth timing belt
Full gasket/seals set/kit
Heads:
JDM Big port AVCS heads or 2.5L AVCS STi heads
Kelford AVCS cams V2-199-D
Supertech single springs with Ti retainers
Supertech valves and valve seats
Injectors should be we will use ID1000's
Turbo choice: GTX3582 Billet or GT30 Billet
FMIC will be probably RS500 core(but we are looking for few option such as Lateral Intercooler/radiator combo or AH Fabrication intercooler/radiator combo) with shorter pipework and rotated Spec C manifold
Gearbox will stay PPG,we are like the PPG and we will keep the box until we will need to go with 6speed
My brother next week probably flying to USA on trip and buying some parts from USA.
As before whole project will be carried out Neil@Slowboy racing
Jura
Yesterday we are been at Neil@Slowboy racing handed down our wagon for upgrade which is bellow
For our 2.1L package we are received deposit and engine will be removed next week
Plan is have 2.35L with those parts fitted:
EJ22T block
Mahle Pistons
Carrillo A-Beam rods
Cosworth HG
79mm Crank
Modified Oil pump
New water pump
14mm ARP Headstuds
Cosworth or RCM baffled plate
Bigger sump
Cosworth timing belt
Full gasket/seals set/kit
Heads:
JDM Big port AVCS heads or 2.5L AVCS STi heads
Kelford AVCS cams V2-199-D
Supertech single springs with Ti retainers
Supertech valves and valve seats
Injectors should be we will use ID1000's
Turbo choice: GTX3582 Billet or GT30 Billet
FMIC will be probably RS500 core(but we are looking for few option such as Lateral Intercooler/radiator combo or AH Fabrication intercooler/radiator combo) with shorter pipework and rotated Spec C manifold
Gearbox will stay PPG,we are like the PPG and we will keep the box until we will need to go with 6speed
My brother next week probably flying to USA on trip and buying some parts from USA.
As before whole project will be carried out Neil@Slowboy racing
Jura
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Jura
Jura
Hope so will hold this power,we are not looking forward have 6speed fitted,we are like the PPG and mainly PPG noise
Jura
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Jura those rods are lovely but if you're going for 600+ Bhp and the torque that goes with it, I would be concerned at their strength.
They're the Pro A beam which is beautifuly light, but I would want more headroom with your target.
I assume you have been advised by your builder to use those?
They're the Pro A beam which is beautifuly light, but I would want more headroom with your target.
I assume you have been advised by your builder to use those?
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Jura those rods are lovely but if you're going for 600+ Bhp and the torque that goes with it, I would be concerned at their strength.
They're the Pro A beam which is beautifuly light, but I would want more headroom with your target.
I assume you have been advised by your builder to use those?
They're the Pro A beam which is beautifuly light, but I would want more headroom with your target.
I assume you have been advised by your builder to use those?
Thanks for comment
Those rods been recommended by Neil@Slowboy racing for our application,per Carrillo website they're for 700whp(or 200whp per cylinder),don't think we will be looking at this power,maybe 600-650bhp as most,but as we are said everything above 600bhp will be just bonus for us
Jura
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Yeah it's been a long road for me but have finally got 90% of the parts that I need it was on Neil recommendation that I am going for the 2.35 I was originally going for a 2.1 but Neil advised me that the 2.35 was the best of both worlds.I also got the carrillo rods but Got there H beam rods I am also going cams but have got stage 2 cosworths.I will have to get a thread started soon when I get some batteries for my camera
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Yeah it's been a long road for me but have finally got 90% of the parts that I need it was on Neil recommendation that I am going for the 2.35 I was originally going for a 2.1 but Neil advised me that the 2.35 was the best of both worlds.I also got the carrillo rods but Got there H beam rods I am also going cams but have got stage 2 cosworths.I will have to get a thread started soon when I get some batteries for my camera
Looking forward to your thread
Jura
#506
Quick update:
Today we are handed down our parts to Neil and engine build should start next week,just we will need to buy crankshaft,which should be here next week
Our plan is to have this build finished somewhere at December,this for us will be best possible X-mass present
Turbo and Intercooler is last bit,which we will need to decide what we are want,plan is to have nice 600-650bhp wagon
Jura
Today we are handed down our parts to Neil and engine build should start next week,just we will need to buy crankshaft,which should be here next week
Our plan is to have this build finished somewhere at December,this for us will be best possible X-mass present
Turbo and Intercooler is last bit,which we will need to decide what we are want,plan is to have nice 600-650bhp wagon
Jura
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Quick update:
Today we are handed down our parts to Neil and engine build should start next week,just we will need to buy crankshaft,which should be here next week
Our plan is to have this build finished somewhere at December,this for us will be best possible X-mass present
Turbo and Intercooler is last bit,which we will need to decide what we are want,plan is to have nice 600-650bhp wagon
Jura
Today we are handed down our parts to Neil and engine build should start next week,just we will need to buy crankshaft,which should be here next week
Our plan is to have this build finished somewhere at December,this for us will be best possible X-mass present
Turbo and Intercooler is last bit,which we will need to decide what we are want,plan is to have nice 600-650bhp wagon
Jura
#509
ew updates:
Today we are been at Neil and speak about the everything what to need to be done...
We are today bring to Neil last bit from engine parts: EJ257 Crank
Neil confirmed his every Race 2.1L or 2.35L is rotating assembly balanced plus we are bought few more parts and spec has changed again
Spec has changed in few more details:
Carrillo Pro A-Beam rods will staying,I've confirmation from Carrillo those rods should be OK for UK 700bhp+(they said 200whp per rod will be OK)
We are bought ex-Daz Davies front mount turbo setup(my brother decision ),which means we will be running front mount turbo setup with GT30r and PPG will stay for while,if we will sell PPG before the finish of the build,will be perfect,if not we will stick with PPG.Due this we are selling our FMIC,Headers and Exhaust,because with this kit we don't need those parts.
As many people said,PPG will break at this level,but they're few of them which run 600bhp without the problem,as everything is possible to break(many people think 6 speed is un-breakable,but everything is possible to break)
At point of the Front mount Turbo setup,this means will be need to be done few extra jobs and much more cutting like with normal rotated setup,which with normal Rotated setup you don't need,but we will see how we get on
Plan is to have 600bhp wagon and hope so with 600bhp we will make good times on Santa pod and we will enjoy few more track days
We will need to decide which one Intercooler,but this kit coming with intercooler pipe work which means we will be using the Hybrid FMIC core
Last bit which we are think is go with Syvecs S8,just due reasons we are running out from Inputs/outputs and agreed this means we will need custom loom which can be pain in **** on our wagon,but if everything will be correctly done,hope so we will don't have any problems.
But good news is we can use S8-S6 adapter loom which will be cheaper option than doing full custom loom
I've spoke with my friend from USA,he using GM TH400 automatic gearbox on his Subaru for drag racing, which seems holding 700bhp without the problem,agreed we will loose the 4WD/AWD,but if wagon will be used mainly for drag this can be good option and price for GM TH400 is just around 1000USD,yes this will require some modification to the diff and propshaft etc.
Second option is to use ATi PowerGlide automatic gearbox which are mostly used too on V8 drag racing cars,spoken with one company which can make
belhousing/hub adapter,but again is will needs to be used different diff etc and again we will have only RWD,fun for sure
Last option is keep the PPG and use like is it,we are like the PPG and we are like the PPG ratios or to go with Hawkeye 6speed,this is probably mist popular option here,but still we are not decided yet
Jura
Today we are been at Neil and speak about the everything what to need to be done...
We are today bring to Neil last bit from engine parts: EJ257 Crank
Neil confirmed his every Race 2.1L or 2.35L is rotating assembly balanced plus we are bought few more parts and spec has changed again
Spec has changed in few more details:
Carrillo Pro A-Beam rods will staying,I've confirmation from Carrillo those rods should be OK for UK 700bhp+(they said 200whp per rod will be OK)
We are bought ex-Daz Davies front mount turbo setup(my brother decision ),which means we will be running front mount turbo setup with GT30r and PPG will stay for while,if we will sell PPG before the finish of the build,will be perfect,if not we will stick with PPG.Due this we are selling our FMIC,Headers and Exhaust,because with this kit we don't need those parts.
As many people said,PPG will break at this level,but they're few of them which run 600bhp without the problem,as everything is possible to break(many people think 6 speed is un-breakable,but everything is possible to break)
At point of the Front mount Turbo setup,this means will be need to be done few extra jobs and much more cutting like with normal rotated setup,which with normal Rotated setup you don't need,but we will see how we get on
Plan is to have 600bhp wagon and hope so with 600bhp we will make good times on Santa pod and we will enjoy few more track days
We will need to decide which one Intercooler,but this kit coming with intercooler pipe work which means we will be using the Hybrid FMIC core
Last bit which we are think is go with Syvecs S8,just due reasons we are running out from Inputs/outputs and agreed this means we will need custom loom which can be pain in **** on our wagon,but if everything will be correctly done,hope so we will don't have any problems.
But good news is we can use S8-S6 adapter loom which will be cheaper option than doing full custom loom
I've spoke with my friend from USA,he using GM TH400 automatic gearbox on his Subaru for drag racing, which seems holding 700bhp without the problem,agreed we will loose the 4WD/AWD,but if wagon will be used mainly for drag this can be good option and price for GM TH400 is just around 1000USD,yes this will require some modification to the diff and propshaft etc.
Second option is to use ATi PowerGlide automatic gearbox which are mostly used too on V8 drag racing cars,spoken with one company which can make
belhousing/hub adapter,but again is will needs to be used different diff etc and again we will have only RWD,fun for sure
Last option is keep the PPG and use like is it,we are like the PPG and we are like the PPG ratios or to go with Hawkeye 6speed,this is probably mist popular option here,but still we are not decided yet
Jura
Last edited by jura11; 21 October 2012 at 04:16 PM.
#510
Few Updates:
We're been yesterday at Neil@Slowboy racing for updates
Neil@Slowboy Racing yesterday received EJ22T Block with 14mm headstud conversion from Steve@SMG,which means Neil can start work on the block, which should be ready end of this week
Neil started working on the Heads last week,but he found out the they're cracked around the spark plugs(Neil said he will not use them on the our build),we will take the pictures which I post later on,not happy with this
Neil said,if we will stuck with the heads,he will give us his Spec C heads
Latso flying next week to USA buying last bits on the our build: 11mm OEM Oil Pump,Gates Kevlar Timing belt Kit with water pump and lot more
We are still not decided on the turbo,we have few option,but whihc turbo will be best,we are still not sure
Our main choice is this turbo:
Borg Warner S300SX FMW
http://www.full-race.com/store/turbo...fmw-turbo.html
Here is the review on the Nasioc with the results, which are very promising:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2268889
Second option is Garrett GTX3076 .63A/R or ScoobyClinic GT30 .63A/R,Neil recommending us ScoobyClinic GT30 .63A/R which should work well
ECU choice is Syvecs S6 as before with I/O Expander,which will allow us more inputs and outputs,just due on S6 before we are run out the outputs, which can happens only to us as said few peoples
We are want go with S8,but after Syvecs released the I/O Expander we are sure we will be OK with S6 and I/O Expander on longer run
OK here are pictures of the cracks on the heads around the spark plugs,some bad cracks can appear in the port under the valve seat insert,as Neil said they're not good for our build as I spoke with Paul Finch too about the refurbishing them,but he said this can be expensive
Really not happy with this and really wish we are opened those heads and we are check the heads for cracks,this is only one setback which hopefully will be resolved
Hopefully everything should be ready on the first Santa Pod RWYB
Jura
We're been yesterday at Neil@Slowboy racing for updates
Neil@Slowboy Racing yesterday received EJ22T Block with 14mm headstud conversion from Steve@SMG,which means Neil can start work on the block, which should be ready end of this week
Neil started working on the Heads last week,but he found out the they're cracked around the spark plugs(Neil said he will not use them on the our build),we will take the pictures which I post later on,not happy with this
Neil said,if we will stuck with the heads,he will give us his Spec C heads
Latso flying next week to USA buying last bits on the our build: 11mm OEM Oil Pump,Gates Kevlar Timing belt Kit with water pump and lot more
We are still not decided on the turbo,we have few option,but whihc turbo will be best,we are still not sure
Our main choice is this turbo:
Borg Warner S300SX FMW
http://www.full-race.com/store/turbo...fmw-turbo.html
Here is the review on the Nasioc with the results, which are very promising:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2268889
Second option is Garrett GTX3076 .63A/R or ScoobyClinic GT30 .63A/R,Neil recommending us ScoobyClinic GT30 .63A/R which should work well
ECU choice is Syvecs S6 as before with I/O Expander,which will allow us more inputs and outputs,just due on S6 before we are run out the outputs, which can happens only to us as said few peoples
We are want go with S8,but after Syvecs released the I/O Expander we are sure we will be OK with S6 and I/O Expander on longer run
OK here are pictures of the cracks on the heads around the spark plugs,some bad cracks can appear in the port under the valve seat insert,as Neil said they're not good for our build as I spoke with Paul Finch too about the refurbishing them,but he said this can be expensive
Really not happy with this and really wish we are opened those heads and we are check the heads for cracks,this is only one setback which hopefully will be resolved
Hopefully everything should be ready on the first Santa Pod RWYB
Jura