Osama Bin Laden is DEAD :)
03 May 2011, 06:11 PM
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As controversial as this may sound, if the war on terror is all about securing oil that maintains our way of life then so be it. Whats the alternative?
Let all of western society slowing break down which would probably lead to the death of thoasands anyway.
I think its a numbers game. How many would die in the Islamic countries to protect our way of life versus how many would die in western countries if we didn't. I think its the same equation used when the USA dropped bombs on Japan.
NO country ever became powerful by being nice to people and the more Britain take the Liberal/humanist approach we become ever weaker and more vulnerable. The moral highground doesn't protect society. Armed aggression does.
Other countries/religions know this and must rub there hands in delight at the prospect of us always being nice, accommodating and soft to them. They know full well that when once their foothold is strong enough in our society they will become the armed aggressor and take what is ours by force.
To prevent that we fight fire with fire. It is the only way theis country has survived.
Let all of western society slowing break down which would probably lead to the death of thoasands anyway.
I think its a numbers game. How many would die in the Islamic countries to protect our way of life versus how many would die in western countries if we didn't. I think its the same equation used when the USA dropped bombs on Japan.
NO country ever became powerful by being nice to people and the more Britain take the Liberal/humanist approach we become ever weaker and more vulnerable. The moral highground doesn't protect society. Armed aggression does.
Other countries/religions know this and must rub there hands in delight at the prospect of us always being nice, accommodating and soft to them. They know full well that when once their foothold is strong enough in our society they will become the armed aggressor and take what is ours by force.
To prevent that we fight fire with fire. It is the only way theis country has survived.
03 May 2011, 06:15 PM
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That sounds slightly contradictory. I understand what you're saying, but you must surely think we have a right to oil? The problem with accessing it is foreign government not big on free exchange. I think it 99% of cases it would be beneficial to everyone to produce oil, 'us' and any foreign population. But what would your solution be if the owners of private land in another county just didn't feel like selling the land to be drilled on? Armed aggression?
03 May 2011, 06:19 PM
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That sounds slightly contradictory. I understand what you're saying, but you must surely think we have a right to oil? The problem with accessing it is foreign government not big on free exchange. I think it 99% of cases it would be beneficial to everyone to produce oil, 'us' and any foreign population. But what would your solution be if the owners of private land in another county just didn't feel like selling the land to be drilled on? Armed aggression?
03 May 2011, 06:53 PM
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There’s quite a few of us on this forum who are smart enough to realise that the "war on terror" is a well orchestrated strategy by the Americans and our UK government to gain strong holds in regions that would of previously been very difficult to do so.
This has also been done under the cloak of Islam as the land they require with all the oil is occupied by Muslims.
This has also been done under the cloak of Islam as the land they require with all the oil is occupied by Muslims.
03 May 2011, 06:59 PM
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03 May 2011, 09:24 PM
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"We know about bad guys, what they do, and often, who they are. The politicians have chosen to send us into battle, and that's our trade. We do what's necessary."
Marcus Luttrell, US Navy SEAL.
True words, great job T6
Marcus Luttrell, US Navy SEAL.
True words, great job T6
03 May 2011, 10:05 PM
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funny how I'm yet to hear bin laden saying ithe 911 or the london bombings had anything to do with him.you can call me a womens private part but I don't believe in wars as they cost too much that money pumped in to catch one man could of taking the uk from this recession and we wouldn't be talking about london bombings if we didn't get involved in Iraq or afghanistan. I think it's just an opportunity for the rich to get richer and to keep milking us we are all slave to the system.
I'm happy to pay taxes and vat but what we pay today for what we get is broad day light robbery.
if bin laden really existed I'm sure another one will pop out of the wood work, my personal opinion is the havent even got the guy and it's just so the people don't say what a waste of money and innocent lives lost the they pull out these stunts America are show offs they would of paraded him and put him in a Museum lol
bottom line is politicians are the biggest liars And have a lot of money anything is possible, just think how many promises were broken by politicians!!!
I'm happy to pay taxes and vat but what we pay today for what we get is broad day light robbery.
if bin laden really existed I'm sure another one will pop out of the wood work, my personal opinion is the havent even got the guy and it's just so the people don't say what a waste of money and innocent lives lost the they pull out these stunts America are show offs they would of paraded him and put him in a Museum lol
bottom line is politicians are the biggest liars And have a lot of money anything is possible, just think how many promises were broken by politicians!!!
03 May 2011, 10:20 PM
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i dont think he is dead,maybe captured....its a load of bullcrap,we are being told what we need to know,if i new were he was,i wouldnt kill him,i would question him,and i sure wouldnt lay him to rest at sea.
03 May 2011, 10:24 PM
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too much inconsistency they were fighting one minute thentoday the guy was unarmed, and according to talk sport I just heard he even killed more Muslims 
03 May 2011, 10:36 PM
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Ok so lets say they haven't killed him or whatever strange theories some of you have come up with. Wouldn't OBL have released a video message to instantly portray the US as the liars the conspiracy theorists believe they are?
03 May 2011, 10:57 PM
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03 May 2011, 11:16 PM
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Oh look the "facts" are changing .... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html ... "... On Monday evening, the White House had backed away from key details in its narrative about the raid, including claims by senior U.S. officials that bin Laden had a weapon and may have fired it during a gun battle with U.S. forces. Officials also retreated from claims that one of bin Laden’s wives was killed in the raid.
Carney read a statement to reporters Tuesday seeking to clarify discrepancies. He said bin Laden “was not armed.” When a U.S. “assaulter” approached bin Laden, the Al Qaeda leader’s “wife” rushed the assaulter. That woman was shot but not killed, Carney said. ..."
And ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42882664..._of_bin_laden/ ...
If Obama wanted to create conspiracy theories he couldn't have done a better job .....
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Carney read a statement to reporters Tuesday seeking to clarify discrepancies. He said bin Laden “was not armed.” When a U.S. “assaulter” approached bin Laden, the Al Qaeda leader’s “wife” rushed the assaulter. That woman was shot but not killed, Carney said. ..."
And ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42882664..._of_bin_laden/ ...
If Obama wanted to create conspiracy theories he couldn't have done a better job .....
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03 May 2011, 11:31 PM
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- admit he really just died at the hands of US Navy Seals
- provide proof that he really died from kidney disease or whatever years ago in a cave somewhere
- provide proof that he's really still alive
So what's the hope that the conspiracy theorists will keep it buttoned until one of the above happens?
04 May 2011, 12:33 AM
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Nope, I am saying that the whole 'the Muslim extremists are taking over the free world' crap put about by the Western governments and the media is just utter bollocks and in part a good way to divert attention from other problems, a good excuse to spend out money on what they wish (after all it's in the name of national security) and to keep the Western populations subjugated by fear!
04 May 2011, 12:39 AM
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04 May 2011, 12:55 AM
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Thanks for the response.
Slightly fearful, then?
What do you think the split would be: 50/50, 60/40?
That's an interesting perspective. Are there any Western media outlets and governments not involved in this conspiracy?
Slightly fearful, then?
The media and goverments seem to be trying to create a mass hysteria among the Western populations which leads to many people becoming intolerant toward all Muslims and can even lead to people posting on Japanese car forums with emotive phrases such as the "War on Islamism"
04 May 2011, 01:21 AM
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good point the more I think or read about it the more I think the fukcer didn't even exist, one thing I do know is there is more to it and I ain't buying the whole we found him killed and chucked him in the sea even my4 year old nephew would question that.
04 May 2011, 01:48 AM
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why didnt the fbi agent who visited him in hospital in dubai arrest him back in 2001 or was it 2002 i cant remember just remember french tv reporting the event and almost no one else mentioning it at all apart from the guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001...stan.terrorism anyone care to explain why he wasnt lifted then ??
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001...stan.terrorism anyone care to explain why he wasnt lifted then ??
04 May 2011, 08:18 AM
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I'm not being part of any conspiracy theory but it's been a couple of days since God (sorry, Obama ...) announced Bin Bag was dead but so far we have not seen one iota of proof. That's not much to expect if the course of events that night is as they said. i.e. they killed him, flew him to a US base then to a ship then heaved him over the side. Plenty of time to take nice, clean photos for public consumption.
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