Osama Bin Laden is DEAD :)
03 May 2011, 01:22 PM
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Since I gather that he personally was not shooting back, I think that in spite of his historical acts he should have been captured alive and tried in an international court for his crimes. He could have been awarded the death penalty when found guilty as was SH.
To execute him in the way they did amounts to assassination or even murder and that is a dangerous path to tread.
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To execute him in the way they did amounts to assassination or even murder and that is a dangerous path to tread.
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03 May 2011, 01:47 PM
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Bin Laden is dead and it cost the UK alone £650,000,000 to get the chance to kill him. I doubt at that money we'll be seeing one of his Al Jazeera TV appearances refuting his belated death.
03 May 2011, 01:54 PM
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There is little difference in taking him dead or alive, it is still a lose lose situation with regard to retaliation and aggravating al-qaeda. At least with him dead no one needs to hear his defence, he doesn't get the air time to state why he justifies the crimes he has committed and ultimately promote his jihad and al-qaeda philosophies.
So far the handling of the situation has appeased all parties to the best possible way IMO, respecting his religion and burying/disposing of his body within 24hr and after a wash. Saudi didn't want his body, so he's best off lying alone at the bottom of the ocean....
The next stage now requires decorum from the nations of the West, however with mad dog gaddafi still showing resilience coupled with an exceptionally fragile middle east, continued "western" intervention is highly likely....
So far the handling of the situation has appeased all parties to the best possible way IMO, respecting his religion and burying/disposing of his body within 24hr and after a wash. Saudi didn't want his body, so he's best off lying alone at the bottom of the ocean....
The next stage now requires decorum from the nations of the West, however with mad dog gaddafi still showing resilience coupled with an exceptionally fragile middle east, continued "western" intervention is highly likely....
03 May 2011, 02:01 PM
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I remember a few days after the attack, various news papers and news channels relayed a statement made by OBL that he denied he had any involvement and knowledge of the attack on 11 September. The world needs another boogyman.......
03 May 2011, 02:15 PM
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03 May 2011, 02:26 PM
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Les what do you think would have happened if he was captured alive? There would be Worldwide kidnap attempts on high profile people and quite possibly Westerners in general in Islaminc states in an attempt to force the release of OBL. Once killed his body had to be disposed of quickly again to avoid demands over handing his body over.
Parading him as a captive would have lead to a new cause for the nutters to follow. As it is the reprisals for his death are going to bring a new wave of attacks.
Parading him as a captive would have lead to a new cause for the nutters to follow. As it is the reprisals for his death are going to bring a new wave of attacks.
I think that the reaction from Al Quaeda is likely to be just as bad either way, I think we can expect some atrocities to come. They warned of that happening a short time ago should he be killed anyway.
It would have been better to follow the law and to stay on the right side of it.
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03 May 2011, 02:31 PM
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Its just a matter of the correct path to justice B2Z. Its like catching a known murderer and the coppers killing him on the spot before he had a trial. Obama did not have the right to order his death on the spot even as President.
I think that the reaction from Al Quaeda is likely to be just as bad either way, I think we can expect some atrocities to come. They warned of that happening a short time ago should he be killed anyway.
It would have been better to follow the law and to stay on the right side of it.
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I think that the reaction from Al Quaeda is likely to be just as bad either way, I think we can expect some atrocities to come. They warned of that happening a short time ago should he be killed anyway.
It would have been better to follow the law and to stay on the right side of it.
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I agree that it might not be wholly satisfactory but you have to be realistic about it. Wild west justice it may be but it is justice, besides there was too much downside to putting him on trial which would have given him a platform....that's if they could have taken him alive.
03 May 2011, 02:56 PM
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Bollocks you’re just sucked in by the media.
There’s extremist in Christianity Catholicism and Judaism but you don't hear about them because the media is a tool of the Goverment in order to aid them in their illegal wars.
Seriously mate sit back do a little reading go on youtube and open your mind
There’s extremist in Christianity Catholicism and Judaism but you don't hear about them because the media is a tool of the Goverment in order to aid them in their illegal wars.
Seriously mate sit back do a little reading go on youtube and open your mind
Well put!
03 May 2011, 03:04 PM
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There’s quite a few of us on this forum who are smart enough to realise that the "war on terror" is a well orchestrated strategy by the Americans and our UK government to gain strong holds in regions that would of previously been very difficult to do so.
This has also been done under the cloak of Islam as the land they require with all the oil is occupied by Muslims.
This has also been done under the cloak of Islam as the land they require with all the oil is occupied by Muslims.
I just dont see how the mass public cant see whats happening in front of their eyes, and that the governments wouldn't lie to people now would they....? 
03 May 2011, 03:13 PM
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Pop over to Non Scooby related, there's several posters over there who would actually call you stupid for that viewpoint..... yet as you say it really is so utterly obvious when you look at it with a modicum of common sense!!
03 May 2011, 03:38 PM
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lets face it whatever the Americans did, they were gonna get a kicking from someone with a vested interest
damned whatever they did tbh -- and I am amazed that the conspiracy stories have already started though
it was never going have a fairytale ending -- **** happens as they say and he got is just deserts
damned whatever they did tbh -- and I am amazed that the conspiracy stories have already started though
it was never going have a fairytale ending -- **** happens as they say and he got is just deserts
03 May 2011, 03:41 PM
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5 men have been arrested under terrorist laws.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wer-plant.html
According to US News - Pakistani ' s
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wer-plant.html
According to US News - Pakistani ' s
03 May 2011, 03:42 PM
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There are plenty of news reports stating that he personally had no involvement. But later the media reports that OBL admits that al-Qa'eda carried out the attack. Then during the course of the War, GW Bush claims OBL and Saddam Hussain are inexplicably linked and T Blair gets a dossier that SH has WMD. OBL is killed, his identity verified in 12 hours and is buried at sea within 24 hours? All I'm saying is you believe what you want to believe, who knows what the actual truth is.
03 May 2011, 03:44 PM
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There are plenty of news reports stating that he personally had no involvement. But later the media reports that OBL admits that al-Qa'eda carried out the attack. Then during the course of the War, GW Bush claims OBL and Saddam Hussain are inexplicably linked and T Blair gets a dossier that SH has WMD. OBL is killed, his identity verified in 12 hours and is buried at sea within 24 hours? All I'm saying is you believe what you want to believe, who knows what the actual truth is.
Any rational person would go with what the US government is saying whilst retaining a very small degree of critical doubt. It's very hard for a democratic govenment to get away with massive liess in this age of free media and electronic communication....as the WMD issue proved.
If you are going to take this 'never believe anything' stance - which is really just believing the exact opposite (think about it), you had better start clinging on to the furniture unless gravity and the world is not quite real and you float off into space! Where does it end?
03 May 2011, 05:23 PM
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03 May 2011, 05:23 PM
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Nope, I am saying that the whole 'the Muslim extremists are taking over the free world' crap put about by the Western governments and the media is just utter bollocks and in part a good way to divert attention from other problems, a good excuse to spend out money on what they wish (after all it's in the name of national security) and to keep the Western populations subjugated by fear!
03 May 2011, 05:43 PM
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Nope, I am saying that the whole 'the Muslim extremists are taking over the free world' crap put about by the Western governments and the media is just utter bollocks and in part a good way to divert attention from other problems, a good excuse to spend out money on what they wish (after all it's in the name of national security) and to keep the Western populations subjugated by fear!
03 May 2011, 05:47 PM
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This has nothing to do with WMD, you only bring that in as an demagogic device to try and cast doubt upon what the US government is saying.
Any rational person would go with what the US government is saying whilst retaining a very small degree of critical doubt. It's very hard for a democratic govenment to get away with massive liess in this age of free media and electronic communication....as the WMD issue proved.
If you are going to take this 'never believe anything' stance - which is really just believing the exact opposite (think about it), you had better start clinging on to the furniture unless gravity and the world is not quite real and you float off into space! Where does it end?
Any rational person would go with what the US government is saying whilst retaining a very small degree of critical doubt. It's very hard for a democratic govenment to get away with massive liess in this age of free media and electronic communication....as the WMD issue proved.
If you are going to take this 'never believe anything' stance - which is really just believing the exact opposite (think about it), you had better start clinging on to the furniture unless gravity and the world is not quite real and you float off into space! Where does it end?
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03 May 2011, 06:04 PM
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As controversial as this may sound, if the war on terror is all about securing oil that maintains our way of life then so be it. Whats the alternative?
Let all of western society slowing break down which would probably lead to the death of thoasands anyway.
I think its a numbers game. How many would die in the Islamic countries to protect our way of life versus how many would die in western countries if we didn't. I think its the same equation used when the USA dropped bombs on Japan.
NO country ever became powerful by being nice to people and the more Britain take the Liberal/humanist approach we become ever weaker and more vulnerable. The moral highground doesn't protect society. Armed aggression does.
Other countries/religions know this and must rub there hands in delight at the prospect of us always being nice, accommodating and soft to them. They know full well that when once their foothold is strong enough in our society they will become the armed aggressor and take what is ours by force.
To prevent that we fight fire with fire. It is the only way theis country has survived.
Let all of western society slowing break down which would probably lead to the death of thoasands anyway.
I think its a numbers game. How many would die in the Islamic countries to protect our way of life versus how many would die in western countries if we didn't. I think its the same equation used when the USA dropped bombs on Japan.
NO country ever became powerful by being nice to people and the more Britain take the Liberal/humanist approach we become ever weaker and more vulnerable. The moral highground doesn't protect society. Armed aggression does.
Other countries/religions know this and must rub there hands in delight at the prospect of us always being nice, accommodating and soft to them. They know full well that when once their foothold is strong enough in our society they will become the armed aggressor and take what is ours by force.
To prevent that we fight fire with fire. It is the only way theis country has survived.