218 @ the wheels????? Not even close to standard then!

 

Still less than STI power but that's why I created the thread to see if some one with 220power had had any joy against the sheep in wolf's clothing...

Lol someone mocking that I've only had the aircon out and seats fitted and another lamenting my R35-esque performance. It's a great debate with twists and turns, but one that concentrates on the straight...

 

218 @ the wheels sticks it level or even above an STi in the power stakes if you work on 20% drivetrain losses !

 

Hmm, my WRX is 400BHP and 400Lb/ft is it a peasants model then?

 

Just under STI but I'm developing bad compression on cylinder one due to a possible iffy remap. Might be only circa 240-250 since rolling road.

 

Do you find the 5 speed is a massive help when racing performance bikes off the line, bikers look sharply behind them with disbelief when I'm up their behind not changing gear like they are?

For me the change to 3rd at 65mph is the end of the world, the car loses boost, jerks as power is transfered and anything behind seems to have suddenly shot nitrous.

 

6 speed all the way 

 

How can a map effect compression?

 

Make the car run rich which leads to bore washing, and ultimately piston ring failure. People say running rich is better than a lean problem but don't be so sure. Previous owner had a lean problem and the ECU went into limp mode to save getting issues.

Further more to snide remarks to my claims Subaru may have tinkered with performance figures, they did with the Prodrive Power Package claims. A WRX PPP doesn't kick out anywhere near 265bhp. Closer to 225 in reality. Many STI drivers also claim bloated PPP figures.

I RR'd my PPP to find it was still near standard power. The car I had before the WRX was an EVO 4 and a local lad with his Astra GSI used to leave me for dead, but as soon as I saw him in the standard scoob I left him like he was parked up (I had a boot full of shopping.) I'm sure he would have clawed some ground back but everything I race gives up after 150 yards as I've opened up such a large gap.

 

Subaru power figures will be from the crank and measured in ps not bhp. A lot of dyno figures will be HP given at the wheels so this could explain a discrepancy. Other factors to bear in mind on a rolling road is wheel slippage and cold air supply to the TMIC but im sure your aware of all this.

 

Hmmm, don't see much evidence fro the 225bhp figure above. Ok, so despite the generic map cars will vary, bit I don't see them being so much lower than the claimed 262bhp.

 

You would get left for dead by a type r running 340 mate

 

I thought a blob WRX PPP was only 240 bhp instead of the standard 220??

 

I had an MY00 PPP'd car (I even took it to Prodrive to have it fitted ), quoted figure on super was 250bhp, rolling road figure was 249.6 or something, cant get much closer than that

Tony

 

This is so true, a little while ago I had a short run against a Civic Type R with my WRX PPP Blob and I was only a cars lenght in front of him up to 70mph. My Blob is around 5 sec 0-60 and his is around 6.4 secs.

 

I wonder what you could get out of a completely standard MY04 WRX with a PPP and say a couple of hours with Bob Rawle?

 

That was a tongue in cheek comment re the seats and air con not mockery. Given the issues you had with the seats I think it would have been cheaper and quicker to transplant a six speed gearbox instead. Anyhow you must have a sense of humour, you do support the Wildcats!

 

5 speed? JDM 6 in mine.

 

This whole thread is pointless IMO. It depends on the car, driver, situation, state of tune, engine and box combo.

I have an STI 5 wagon. It started running 355/320. If I was in the wrong gear I could easily be embarrassed by a diesel!! I had to be constantly up in the 3's or I'd be left waiting for the turbo....

... then I rattled it and so got a built 2.5 and a UK 6 speed running 450/485. It will take off in 3rd if you want it to and it is difficult to get caught in the wrong gear... I hate the taller 5th and 6th gears though. I had API David's 400bhp twin scroll JDM STI for a week and much preferred the even ratios on that 6 speed.

... My "other car" is a completely standard MY04 WRX PPP and TBH I do like the ratios in this 5 speeder. Perfect for daily driving and long journeys...

... and it has left me wondering what my STI5 with 450/485 would be like with UK WRX gear ratios? It would be something I would try.

Someone on here said hawk 6 speed ratios are longer? That sounds like a good mix. I'd have to drive one to see.

So in conclusion. What suits one engine doesn't suit another. What suits one driver doesn't suit another and it's all academic anyway because it depends what the car is for and what you are doing in it!!!

 

Please excuse my ignorance in the modding world but, a while ago my brother, who buys and sells cars, aquired a blob WRX. This one had an apexi induction system, some kind of boost controller in the cabin, a completely new exhaust system, and something about non standard headers, whatever they are. It probably had other mods aswell, but we're not knowledgable in this regard. I had a go against him in my WRX PPP Blob and he left me for dead and I know full well that he destroyed many an Sti on the road.

 

Probably an uprated turbo, uprated GT2 spec headers (manifold), the usual fuel pump/STI injectors/remap to 350bhp etc, will give a 262bhp STI more than a run for its money

Tony

 

fact of the matter is yes a modded wrx will probably beat a standard sti however how many standard sti's do you see about nowadays? most are modded and faster then standard

 

What a numpty I was to choose my car over my brothers. Its just that I have two younger brothers who buy and sell cars and I had a choice of either. I knew very little at the time about these cars and chose to play safe, taking the WRX PPP Blob. The Silver modded WRX felt like a rocket and really made you do a crap in your pants. I was just too scared that all that power from non-factory mods might suddenly go pop. But again I knew very little about the stability of these.

 

Traffic light grand prix ? Are you the sort of person that hangs around McDonald's car parks ? Maybe I have nothing to prove and that's why I just don't bother . Let's just face facts standard vs standard its obviously the STI .

 

My old one ran 280 ish and was quite quick, my mate has it now running 360

And is waiting for his gear box to let go.

 

They obviously aren't trying. Have you got ANY idea how quick a sports motorbike is? Or are we talking <600cc here?

Put it this way. my old bike (GSXR 1000 K2) was alot quicker than my 600bhp classic.

 

Did you buy your STI new?

 

Yes mate but anyone can put his/her foot down in a fast car but as we both know it's a whole different game on a fast bike.

used to make me laugh when guys in fast cars thought they could beat me off the lights even on my vfr 400 nc30 track toy..

 

I love threads like this lol.

Having read what most have wrote, I shall not comment.....

Although if Matt wants to pop up a little further north, Im sure we can settle the debate with my slipping clutch'd STI lol.

Rob

 

Hoi, Daz, you're a speedfreak!!

I bet we're all jealous of the two machines you describe above.