yes even on standard sti you need 5th just to pull you over the line .

 

Ive spoken to Simon a few times about the change he did on your old car to 5 speed PPG

 

last mapping session said he was much happier with the 5 speed it was somethin
i always wanted to do but fund at the time didnt allow lol
after a very regrettable sale and 12 months and a moment of madness with a focus st (in orange of course lmao) the scooby itch came back
with the idea i will keep this one standard ,2 maps and a vf34 later lol

 

After my stripped well modded classic RA, i brought my Newage STi for a nice comfortable road car, its now coilovered and running a 2.1 at just over 500bhp.... its so hard to leave these cars alone and not mod

 

Anyone bitching about the 6speed just cant drive properly!
All this rubbish about them being no good for drag etc blah blah blah.

A decent driver gets the best out of what he/she's got at the time

I managed a 10.9 at 129mph on the 1/4 with an 03 UK6 Speed. They cant be that bad

 

I was 0.5 behind you Daz at 451bhp on a 5 speed PPG at 122mph

 

jap classic wrx,s are nippy enough i draged one in my jap bug sti
he launched his i didnt and it was 4th gear befor i passed him

 

I was at circa 500 on completely inappropiate cheap £50 a corner 213 35 18 chinese tyres with a full interior and half a tank of fuel. Next time on the strip the car will be more appropiately equipped.

Mind you isn't 450 the limit on PPG's?

 

They changed it to 450 after Mike L was breaking them for fun, was higher before....

Im just so use to a PPG 5 speed still, given time and more practice im sure i'l get use to the 6 speed and like it then, Must have changed into 6th instead of 4th about 3 times last week at Shakespeare

 

"Must have changed into 6th instead of 4th about 3 times last week at Shakespeare"


bet that made your times fantastic lol

 

13.8 @ 92 mph lol

 

lol still not bad considering you jumped 2 gears,so does that mean a 4 speed is better than a 5 and 6 speed lol

 

That's the only thing I don't like with the six speedw they seem to get vague sometimes.
I lost an engines a few years back due to a mis shift going for 5th and hitting 3rd by mistake. That engine had standard heads and it shat itself.

Survived one on my last engine with built heads and double springs the Syvecs showed 9800rpm.

Truth be told I need a gearbox as I sold my last one on. So this time round i'm either going for a hawkeye box or if funds allow one of scooby clinics five speeds.

Both have their advantages but I think 6 speeds are exceptionally good for a standard box and you can drive around the ratios if you know what you're doing.

 

............and I own a modded bug WRX and an STi (of sorts! ).

 

Nay bother lad, notwithstanding your air con removal and seat change.

 

AND LONG RATIOS! We ought to swap gearboxes and see how an STI feels doing 65 in 2nd and hitting 3rd at that speed and not 45mph. Might be **** pants time.

STI is built for mid speed cornering end of. A WRX with the same power (or power to weight) will leave it standing from the lights. Badly.

 

lol, I am saying all this tongue in cheek mind as I have a paupers car.

 

definetely not true!
you are very persistant in a subject you obviously have no idea about.

 

Love reading all the previous posts.
I have a 2003 wrx slightly modded
The other is a 1994 sti slightly modded
To be honest there aint a lot of difference in a stright line drag race,but the sti is far better at cornering and can keep it in the boost range far easier when cornering due to lower ratio box.
sti far better for fun,but wrx better for long journeys,fuel,and comfort
Both excellent cars,just depends what you want out of the car....i enjoy both

 

lol, STI badge is as useful as a PPP badge.

Trust me rally teams want a good choice of torque for all types of corners. If rally was drag it would be the 5. Maybe even a 2nd that hits 90 ala porsche to avoid boost loss and mishifts. I think scoobynet should run a WRX V STI day at Elvington.

 

So we've gone from standard vs standard to equal power/power to weight.

 

Hence the thread title! My above remark was a statement not a question! I beat STIs so badly a standard WRX must have a chance to 60-80 from the lights before the long gears start to be a burden!?!!

 

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/...53_306x248.jpg

TX.

 

Matt, here is a little demonstration of 5 speed box v 6 speed box.
Subaru japan produced 5 speed STI's producing 280ps upto and including the year 2000, the quickest out of the box 5 speed STI did a 13.4@104mph, the equivelant 6 speed new age 2003 car did a 13 dead at 108mph, remembering its got 6 gears
It will be a close thing though, but the 6 speed box has far far more advantages than a 5 speed (especially a long geared UK box that really doesnt give you the best performance).

Oh and if 5 speed boxes were the bees knees, they would be using them in F1 or BTTC, instead its 7 speed in F1 and 6 speed in BTTC

I also think they probably had this discussion when 3 speed went to 3 with over drive, then to 4, then from 4 to 5 speed boxes

Tony

 

What power is your car Matt?

Tony

 

Get them along to next years 30-130 day at Marham ... we'll know for sure then! I'd wager that the standard STi gets to 130 quicker

TX.

 

As i said a while back - the difference in the powers ain't huge therefore the performance will be close so the real difference will be the driver. If you take the driver out of the equation, the STi will win but it will not be half a mile down the road.
These are the simple facts so i suggest you jog on and stop trying to get a rise out of people.

 

You have to love these threads though
We all know that a honda civic type R will give a standard WRX a run for its money (even catch up ) now I had a go against one of those in my last standard STI (ok i had an air filter ) even let him have his standing start and I moved off nice and gently, about 1/2 a mile of duel carriage way, at the end I was a good 100+m in front (and he was still trying down the motorway slip road ) and that was with me being very gentle on the car so no hope for a standard wrx

Tony

 

218 at the wheels. Plus about 90kg saved, thats 170kg over an STI.

My point though is from the lights up to 70-80 odd before you hit the roundabout, I feel a wrx has a good shout. 6-7 speed gears help acceleration at higher speeds. But one paradox is I suppose I'm doing 90 in 3rd in a wrx when an Sti is in 4th doing 90, basically its the same ratio with less boost loss due to changes. I feel more gears just gives you more choice for differing corners. I'm sure there's an argument for shorter gearing helping spool up with the quicker revs but I dunno, I'm sure the extra changes, weight doesn't make up for it. Anti-lag helps with the rally cars amount of gears at low speeds too. 6 speed for homo economy reasons?

 

I have noticed I leave Type R's from the lights but then they gradually catch me at higher speeds.

Ironically Honda claim the same power and performance for the TYPE R FN2 and EP3 but we all know it's major bull. Maybe there are blushes from time to time?