Notices
Other Marques Non-Subaru Vehicles

I snuck out from work today...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:10 PM
  #211  
LEO-RS's Avatar
LEO-RS
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 446
Likes: 0
From: Dundee
Default

Originally Posted by Trout
The 415bhp model is the 997.1 which wasn't a great car to be honest.

The 997.2 has a short ratio box that helps acceleration. If you could have PDK and keep the same weight it might even be in the 6's. The advantage is light weight compared to the porky Turbos.

The Turbo S is bananas - although the same spec is at least £20k more - for a car that is ultimately less involving, if a little more discreet!
I'm back again, just because I'm generally interested and can't help it

You see, you're not all that bad when you pass your knowledge over, a nice reasoned response there and something I was unaware of

Seeing as I mentioned it earlier, what is the depreciation like on these? A rariety and a car that is listed as an all time great, I take it wont be as significant like some Ferraris and Lambos and other supercars priced in that region?

That black 1 is much more subtle and more my cup of tea, looks meaner looking too. I guess a stickerless GT3RS would lose it's appeal though?

Reading back over my initial posts now, I think I was too harsh on the looks as you clearly do have intentions of tracking the car and I guess I missed the whole point and jumped in head first. For that I apologise.

Last edited by LEO-RS; Mar 7, 2011 at 08:32 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:17 PM
  #212  
zip106's Avatar
zip106
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,623
Likes: 1
From: ....
Default

Depreciation?
What's that?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1719851.htm

They're too new to know what the depreciation will be like, but I'd take a wild guess and say they'll be the slowest depreciating current, non-limited edition model that Porsche make.

You could probably pick an early one up for about £105k.

Last edited by zip106; Mar 7, 2011 at 08:20 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:46 PM
  #213  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

The only real benchmark I have is that a good 6RS will still easily fetch £60k for a car that cost £87k eight years ago.

Even after two years, the much less impressive 7.1RS was fetching £90k for a car that cost £95k.

These are difficult times though, uncertainty and very high petrol costs. On the other hand - it is probably Porsche's best reviewed model, ever.

I am not planning to sell it soon and after 12 months I am only aware of one car going for less than £100k, for a car that cost £104k. And at that price I have to wonder at the history.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:48 PM
  #214  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

A Turbo or Turbo S would depreciate a hell of a lot faster. I would guess losing as much in a year as the RS might lose in three or four years.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:50 PM
  #215  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Heresy I know, but for what it’s worth, I think it would look much prettier with just a duck spoiler – a la the original 1972 RSR
You mean like the Sport Classic?

Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:54 PM
  #216  
Matteeboy's Avatar
Matteeboy
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,470
Likes: 0
From: Mars
Default

Sport Classic is lovely looking but really it's a freaking rip off.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:54 PM
  #217  
dunx's Avatar
dunx
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 14,333
Likes: 0
From: Slowly rebuilding the kit of bits into a car...
Default

NO ! That's just wrong, IMHO.

dunx


P.S. Your spoiler may be OTT but that duck's RS is awful.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:23 PM
  #219  
hodgy0_2's Avatar
hodgy0_2
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 15,634
Likes: 22
From: K
Default

Originally Posted by Trout
You mean like the Sport Classic?

yes -- but is that the same body as yours Trout, it looks a bit weak around the front arches, and the spoiler is not "aggressive" enough

look at this angle and imagine the rear without the wing



or even this



and I think it would look purer and prettier
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:50 PM
  #220  
tony de wonderful's Avatar
tony de wonderful
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Default

I think you need to be a savant to keep up with Porsches zillion different models.

It's giving me a headache, and I'm pretty **** and normally suck up this info.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:52 PM
  #221  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

It is the same body. The only difference is that the RS has a plastic wheel arch extension (albeit an expensive one!!) on the front arches.

I agree with Mattee - if you want to wonder how cynical Porsche marketing is check out the Sport.

Same power as a basic Carrera S and more money than my RS.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:54 PM
  #222  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

Originally Posted by **************
Sorry slightly off topic but do Porsche sell the RSR as a road car? I've only ever seen one of them on the road (993 RSR) it was outrageously quick at accelerating away i've never seen anything like it since.
Not by definition - RSR is the race car. However there is a rumour - I hope it is true as my plate will be worth a few bob!!

There are some RSR and Cup cars that have been converted to road use. My view is that you may as well by a GT3 RS or a GT2.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:56 PM
  #223  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

Original RS - even here the spoiler is not that aggressive.

Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 11:15 PM
  #225  
prodriverules's Avatar
prodriverules
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (52)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 11,769
Likes: 1
From: C+K MOTORS
Default

In this picture it does look like they have put the first lower spoiler on and then as an after thought bunged the top high wing spoiler on.
Not to my taste to be fair,hadn't seen it from that angle till now,still i'm sure it aids down force other wise it wouldn't be there on such a car.
I also prefer the ducktail type tbho.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 11:19 PM
  #226  
MMT WRX's Avatar
MMT WRX
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,278
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by stilover
But everybody wants Trouts car ...........
We agree on something then.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 11:34 PM
  #227  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

Originally Posted by **************
That's what I thought, it is quite possible it was an ex race car converted for road use, the power for over taking was more akin to that of a top end sports bike, I was on one at the time sitting behind him! Also Paragon Porsche aren't too far from where I saw this and they are an independant specialist who have thier own race team so could have been sourced and converted through them.
When i had a workshop in brighton marina someone kept a white rs 993 of that vintage by the slopes up into the marina proper . Hardly ever moved
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 11:52 PM
  #229  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

Originally Posted by prodriverules
In this picture it does look like they have put the first lower spoiler on and then as an after thought bunged the top high wing spoiler on.
...BUT...

...the lower spoiler is not a spoiler - it is a giant ram jet, collecting air that pressurises with speed to force air into the air box.

The upper spoiler is the only spoiler and it is the real deal (hence proper structure) as it generates 170kgs downforce at 300km/hr.
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 12:01 AM
  #230  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

Originally Posted by **************
What a waste of a car. If I had the money to spend on such a car I would be out in it every damn day, not have it just sit there looking pretty

The only other Porsche I like that rivals Trout's GT3 RS is the black GT2 RS, looks just as stunning but more subtle without the graphics.
If I had been able to order one I would have blown the already blown budget and bought one!!

A GT3 RS chassis with 611bhp!!! With 446bhp per tonne, not a measly 317bhp per tonne!

WOW!
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 12:01 AM
  #231  
prodriverules's Avatar
prodriverules
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (52)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 11,769
Likes: 1
From: C+K MOTORS
Default

Originally Posted by Trout
...BUT...

...the lower spoiler is not a spoiler - it is a giant ram jet, collecting air that pressurises with speed to force air into the air box.

The upper spoiler is the only spoiler and it is the real deal (hence proper structure) as it generates 170kgs downforce at 300km/hr.
Thats why i said it wouldn't be on there if it didn't do anything,but looking at it without knowing that would come across like i said tbho Trout.
Didn't realise the lower one was an air intake pressurizer!.
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 08:02 AM
  #233  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

It's the one thing that makes them very affordable.

At £170k you could buy one, run it for a year and sell it for £200k plus. You would actually make £30k owning one!!
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 09:30 AM
  #234  
500's Avatar
500
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
From: Greater Manchester
Default

Lovely car Trout, have fun with it!
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 09:37 AM
  #235  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

Wouldnt it cost you 30k to run it for that year
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 10:25 AM
  #237  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Cool

Originally Posted by dpb
Wouldnt it cost you 30k to run it for that year
Why would it cost you £30k to run it for a year?

Insurance - £1,200

Petrol for 6,000 miles - £1,800

Set of tyres - £1,800

Errr, that's it.

Let's say £5,000 for a year in the one of the worlds fastest, most exclusive, and best driver's cars.

Cost of capital - £9,000

Profit - £16k!
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 10:32 AM
  #238  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

Why would you pay more for second hand though , to save you the running in or something
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 10:33 AM
  #239  
banny sti's Avatar
banny sti
Scooby Senior
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (68)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 16,600
Likes: 24
From: Type R
Default

limited edition only 500 made and all sold out
Reply



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:42 PM.