MrDeference

I see that the scientists are right. Pets are great stress relievers.
Look at the calm, measured posts from our ardent pet owners. A better advert for keeping domesticated pest controllers I haven't seen. I am off to buy me a doggy.

Carlos The Jackel

ROTFLMAO @ MrDeference - Very good point mate i own a budgie and it causes me loads of stress If you run over my Budgie Askew your in for it LOL WIBBLE

Dave T-S

Roadrunner

Be careful out there....with your name - beep, beep, splat

JamieMacdonald

It's all very well insuring your pet for millions of pounds, but would you still be covered if you have modified your pet?
My alsation (MY97) has been on steroids since the age of two and I have had all his teeth platinum capped. I also dyed him pearlescent green but have not informed the insurance company of any of these modifications. Will my insurance company still pay out in the event of a claim?

Jay
PS I am in the process of training him to bite the tyres of Lotus Elises.

TaviaRS

Much as it pains me, I agree with Richard "the animals friend" Askew. I am not an animal lover, other than as a source of sustenance, but I can understand how people get defensive about their pets and their pets "rights". However, in MY OPINION, by having a pet you acquire certain obligations, so why shouldn't you be sued for negligence. Again,IN MY OPINION, if it came down to a choice between ANY animal and a child, sorry but the animal looses every time. I would not deliberately kill an animal with my car (shooting them is a different matter) but neither would I endanger myself, my passengers or other road users to avoid one.

I realise this probably makes me some form of inbred,halfwit (apologies to anyone who is) who can't formulate a structured argument, but it is my opinion. Wibble.

juan

Your post comes across as well reasoned etc.

Completely different than 'I hate animals. If I kill one I'll don't care and I'll see what else I can get out of it'

I can see where you're coming from and have no problem with your post.

I also agree that owners of certain animals such as dogs have responsibilities. I prefer cats myself and should one be unfortunate enough to run across the road and get runover then thats hard luck. If the person who did it had been driving recklessly thats a different matter. If the person who did it didn't stop and I saw them they would need a new car one day after a short time. If the person who did it had the attitude of our good friend that would also be the case. If they said look mate I'm sorry, it ran out there was nothing I could do then fair enough.


To animal lovers these pets are part of the family, whether the non-animal lovers can understand that or not. If you get some a-hole coming up to you after killing your family pet member whinging about his scratched paint he IS gonna get some cumuppence. Surely you can identify with those feelings?

Its not the hypothetical incident so much as the hypothetical attitude after it that wound me up personally.

Regards

one uneducated wibbler to another

[Edited by juan - 4/12/2002 8:28:36 PM]

TaviaRS

Thank you, glad it came across how it was intended.

Jon

<muppet mode>
Oh good, I can sleep easy tonight! Nice to know that I'm not the bad person my therapist says I am.
</muppet mode>

sebastian

You ***** are SO easy to provoke.

tweenierob

I believe that most of us have eaten 'chinese' food before??
if so then most have us have eaten 'road kill' at some point
p.s. what do you think kebabs are made of???

ChrisB

Time to lock - no need for the personal attacks folks.

tony1979

You're told to run them over if you can't stop within the distance it would take to brake sensibly. Swerving could cause even more serious damage...like death to the passengers!

[Edited to say:] run over animals that is! Just before I get flamed!

[Edited by tony1979 - 4/12/2002 1:32:07 PM]

Dave T-S

andrewza wrote:

Bringing some much needed humour to this debate, I think you meant pheasants

[Edited by Dave T-S - 4/12/2002 2:21:08 PM]

tony1979

Chelsie,

Rubbish. I have pets, but you have to be sure that stopping is safe - and in a lot of situations it isn't. If I hit a dog, or a larger animal I would most certainly phone the police. But from some of the comments (including Reidy's - the police often do nothing about it!!!).

[Edited by tony1979 - 4/12/2002 2:23:33 PM]

tony1979

Louise,

Blind bends, country roads, highways ... neither of which have hard shoulders to stop in. If you stop you could cause further accidents with motorists coming from either direction - especially on busy back roads. That was my point. If I hit a dog or larger, I would find a suitable place to pull over and phone the police.


[Edited to say:] Chelsie posted at the bottom of page 2


[Edited by tony1979 - 4/12/2002 2:30:27 PM]

Richard Askew

hence why this bbs is so good - everyone has their own views and can do so without being called tossers, ******* etc etc .............. usually...

..awww shucks..but I have to violently disagree on that...



[Edited by Richard Askew - 4/12/2002 2:32:04 PM]

Diablo

As a dog owner I'd like to add my thoughts to this.

To answer the original question, you have a legal obligation to stop if you hit a dog and report it to the police.

I consider that you also have a moral obligation to stop and see how badly injured or not the dog (or any other animal)may be.

Now, I cannot ******* believe some of the sh$t posted on here [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img].

Unless you are a vet, how the **** do you know whether or not the dog is too badly injured to be saved? As for putting it out of its misery ????? I cannot believe this attitude [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

My dog is chipped and has a collar on at all times when outside. I take every effort to ensure she can never get into a situation where she could get run over. But accidents do happen, and dogs can get away from their owners from time to time.

If someone hit my dog in such circumstances and didn't stop, or worse still went back to "finish the job" then I would not be responsible for my actions if I ever found out who did it.

I would, however, be happy to pay for any loss and damages if that person did stop - having said that my dog is insured for about £1,000,000 of third party liability.

Indeed, given the number of dogs that are now insured, it would make commercial (as opposed to legal and moral) sense to stop and report it.

On two occasions I've been in the unfortunate position to be behind cars that have hit a cat and a dog respectively. On both cases my wife and I ended up taking the animals to the vet because the everyone else involved was standing around scratching their heads and wondering what to do because they were typically human

So I told them where I was talking the animals, gave them my name and number as a witness and advised they call the police.

Unfortunately the cat died, but at least it was put out of its pain and not, as it had been before we intervened, left dragging its paralysed body along the pavement by its front legs, utterly terrified and confused as to why it couldn't walk.

Try and picture that, all you fcuckwits without a care [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] Its owners later called and thanked me profusely for helping and at least they then knew what happened to their beloved pet.

The dog wasn't moving, looked dead, but was only in shock and had a broken leg. It was soon in perfect health and back with its family. I can only be thankful that it wasn't some of the posters on here that were in my position.....

Richard, on a lighter note, if ever I accidentally run you over, don't be too upset if I don't stop Or return to finish the job...

D









[Edited by Diablo - 4/12/2002 2:56:04 PM]

Diablo

ERBWRX,

Are you a vet?

Are you familiar with the anatomy of a dog or a cat?

If so, then fine, I retract my comment. If not, then you are not qualified to decide what is serious and what isn't. And certainly not qualified to play god.

If you have an issue with the way your post is construed, then re write it, don't go whingeing about it .

BTW, I understand exactly what you were getting at. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it.....

LOL @ Richard. Just have to reverse to make sure you couldn't sue my *** then

Tiggs...At LAST we agree on something

D




[Edited by Diablo - 4/12/2002 3:12:51 PM]

Diablo

Bros2

Agreed, in some cases its clear, but too big a grey area to generalise. I was referring to dogs and cats.

Bigger animals suffer less from fatal crush injuries than smaller ones. Hitting my dog would be like hitting a small adult.

Contary to advertised "fact" most people, even kids, survive impacts with cars.

D




[Edited by Diablo - 4/12/2002 3:40:19 PM]

Dave T-S

Tiggs

If your dog is a retriever, send it instead

(****, I promised myself I wouldn't post on this thread again)

[Edited by Dave T-S - 4/12/2002 3:43:16 PM]

Tiggs

well how cute! before you boys start kissing and cuddling i would like to point out that i would still put you nasty animal ppl out of your missery if i hit you with my car! (or even parked near you!)



Tiggs

[Edited by Tiggs - 4/12/2002 4:13:14 PM]

Dark Muppet

[Edited by Dark Muppet - 4/12/2002 6:06:44 PM]

imatrukahs

Edited as i am having a bad day.


[Edited by imatrukahs - 4/12/2002 7:36:56 PM]

juan

now who's getting personal. So anyone who likes animals and actually places a value on their life is uneducated. Charming. Your lack of years is showing through mate. Most people with your attitude would not BOAST about it. Thats the difference. So by doing that you're either trying to stir up an arguement, or just a n0b, hence my questionning your suitability for the job of moderator

Then you call it structured and well voiced!!
Do you really hope to get away with cr@p like that?


I have NEVER gone for violence before but I agree with astraboy.
You run over my cat and display that attitude you would pay.

Also, chances are you'll be speeding with that hot head of yours. Does that mean the dog owner can then sue you, or would that not be fair for poor little richie woo woo. I'm interested to know what you would do if you hit an animal because you were travelling too fast?


Also, you don't like people comparing a human life with an animal life, and then you rub salt into the wounds by trying to make out a piece of metal is more important than an animal life also. Sad

I apologise in advance for sullying your great board with my uneducated presence and questioning your attitude.

To the others, sorry if my post is considered offensive. I'm just expressing my opinion as others would say. Some may not agree with it.


[Edited by juan - 4/12/2002 6:52:55 PM]

sebastian

Just hope to remember to finish it off with the jack if it wasn't dead.

Reminds me we hit a dog on the mway in Greece at 75mph 8 years ago on holiday in a hire car-took its head right off, but the bodywork was fouling the tire so we had to bend it back into shape after stopping a couple of mile down the road. The engine bay was flecked with a rather fetching blood and gristle mix, if i remember rightly.

Spent much of the rest of the holiday laughing about it really...in between the beach, the bars and ******** the girls.

[Edited by sebastian - 4/12/2002 8:31:44 PM]

juan

yeah real funny. Man there's some sick saddos about

its not the accident (although yours probably wasn't even that) its the **** attitude afterwards that sucks. Or was that you and your boyfriends?

[Edited by juan - 4/12/2002 8:34:03 PM]