RS6 V8 v M5 V10
02 December 2010, 05:33 PM
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Scooby tc, we both have to accept that our cars are the high end sports versions of otherwise normal bland cars. For those who know cars there is no mistaking either your RS or my M car, there are enough visual clues on both to show what they are.
I know a M5 even if I see it out of the corner of my eye, the shaped wing mirrors are enough from most angles. Also don't forget the M5 appeals to a certain segment of the market that don't want the car to stand out too much. It's a different demographic to those that buy a M3 for example.
I know you keep saying a M5 looks like a 520d, but it really doesn't.
For the OP
1) My mpg is really bad. My average over 3 years has been 13mpg, that is 90% town driving though. It's one of those cars that whether you are easy on the throttle or not it still drinks.
2) The software update was done on lots of cars for free whilst under warranty, mine was. You had to ask, but if you did and said you were having problems you got it done.
Most important thing is drive the car mate and see if you like it. Then only buy it with your eyes wide open that it was once a £70k car and will have running costs that are in line with that.
Good luck with your purchase.
I know a M5 even if I see it out of the corner of my eye, the shaped wing mirrors are enough from most angles. Also don't forget the M5 appeals to a certain segment of the market that don't want the car to stand out too much. It's a different demographic to those that buy a M3 for example.
I know you keep saying a M5 looks like a 520d, but it really doesn't.
For the OP
1) My mpg is really bad. My average over 3 years has been 13mpg, that is 90% town driving though. It's one of those cars that whether you are easy on the throttle or not it still drinks.
2) The software update was done on lots of cars for free whilst under warranty, mine was. You had to ask, but if you did and said you were having problems you got it done.
Most important thing is drive the car mate and see if you like it. Then only buy it with your eyes wide open that it was once a £70k car and will have running costs that are in line with that.
Good luck with your purchase.
02 December 2010, 06:25 PM
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..However, they are 414BHP but @ the flywheel, mines RR's at 394 at the wheels (or something like that, the previous owner tells me)... which is apparently quite a strong one
414 BHP @ 7800 RPM (flywheel) 430 Nm @ 5500 RPM
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02 December 2010, 06:46 PM
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M5 is totally obvious compared to a cooking M Sport 5er unless you are blind. Very very cool but understated.
M Sports don't look anything like "proper" M cars. M Sport stuff is basically overpriced chavving that does nothing to make the car faster. It's also "pretend" M car stuff yet gets lapped up by 1000s wanting to make their 318d looks like an M3 or 520d like an M5.
The brainwashing is so extensive that despite 1000s of M Sport alloys cracking through spindly/puny design, M Sport zombies still insist on 19" cracking specials then moan when their wheels fall to bits.
To those vaguely in the know - M Sport = a bit gay, M cars = dead cool.
Same with S-Line sh1te.
Random rant over.
I'd go for the M5. RS6 weighs too much, breaks down a lot and is getting long in the tooth. Lovely engine though that woofles very nicely. Prefer that model to the current one too.
M Sports don't look anything like "proper" M cars. M Sport stuff is basically overpriced chavving that does nothing to make the car faster. It's also "pretend" M car stuff yet gets lapped up by 1000s wanting to make their 318d looks like an M3 or 520d like an M5.
The brainwashing is so extensive that despite 1000s of M Sport alloys cracking through spindly/puny design, M Sport zombies still insist on 19" cracking specials then moan when their wheels fall to bits.
To those vaguely in the know - M Sport = a bit gay, M cars = dead cool.
Same with S-Line sh1te.
Random rant over.
I'd go for the M5. RS6 weighs too much, breaks down a lot and is getting long in the tooth. Lovely engine though that woofles very nicely. Prefer that model to the current one too.
RS6 all day & everyday 
02 December 2010, 07:00 PM
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Evo on the older M5 vs the RS6:
Sure, the RS6 will do things that the M5 won't. It will find traction, exploit it, and leave the BMW floundering (Merc too, of course) but that doesn't make it a better driver's car. There's no real depth to the experience - when you're not going very quickly, there isn't much to enjoy, and when you are, you don't feel involved. The RS6 is a device that gets the job done, not an instrument that relies on your skill to perform.
What is 'enough power' for the road? Everyone has their own idea, and in this class, with rear-drive, I don't think the M5 is far off it. In the right circumstances, the E55 feels sensationally faster which, of course, is its own buzz and has an undeniable appeal. As we said at the outset, its extraordinary pace redefines the performance saloon: 0-100 in 10.2sec is simply astonishing. Whatever you drive, you'll think twice about messing with an E55 in a straight line, always assuming you spot what it is in the first place.
Yet the M5 has only that to fear. In this class it remains on top because it is the complete package, blending excellent performance with peerless control and precision of chassis, throttle and steering. It would probably struggle to deploy the E55's massive torque and, frankly, it doesn't need it. Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.
On the S6
At idle, the 10-cylinder unit is softly spoken, and although only a six-speed auto is available, the S6 steps off very keenly. A hefty kerbweight of 1920kg is well disguised at low speeds by almost 400lb ft of torque, delivered between 3000 and 4000rpm. Much of the time you wouldn't know there was a V10 under the bonnet. On the overrun there's a rolling- thunder rumble from the tailpipes, but overall the M5's V10 is more stimulating, feeling more urgent and sounding more enthusiastic.
Mind, Audi pitches the S6 as a luxury car with sports car performance, which is about right. At speed or over rippled, lolloping roads, the damping reveals itself to be not as expertly controlled as the truly sporting RS4's, and here perhaps the mass of the V10 has an effect too. Dynamically this is a neat car, but your (and the car's) enthusiasm for pressing on stops short of the level inspired by the RS4.
If it's a bigger RS4 you're after, best wait for the RS6. If it's quiet speed you're after, the beautifully built, refined S6 fits the bill.
JC on the S6:
So what’s gone wrong? Well, the Audi engine factory is designed to produce engines with a 90-degree Vee, but the Lambo’s engine has an 88-degree Vee. Ergo, if they were going to make the engine in an Audi factory, it had to be changed. That means the S6 has only 429bhp and that, in turn, means that every time you put your foot down, you feel a) cheated and b) like the car you’ve bought was designed by accountants.
You also feel like you’re not really in control because it has quite the sharpest throttle response of any car I know. It will only set off at full pelt, which is a nuisance when you’re having to contend with a gearbox that works like it’s on cannabis, and steering which — I feel sure — is made from old driftwood.
And then we get to by far and away the worst thing: the ride. They call it “S line”, and it doesn’t take too long to work out what the S might stand for. Clue: four letters, begins with S, ends in hit. Which is odd because it really isn’t one.
It’s not firm in a controlled way. It’s firm like the matron in a Carry On film. It’s firm to the point where you start to laugh at its complete inability to ride with grace or panache over absolutely anything.
I would love to meet the team who designed it, because I do not believe that anyone who has ever driven “a car” before could possibly have fitted this and thought it might do. Their bosses should certainly dig out their CVs and do some deep background investigation, because they’re either imposters or they’re secretly working for BMW.
I can’t be bothered to go on, frankly, because it doesn’t matter how much I like the styling or the quality, or wonder why you might want to spend £400 on an electric boot lid that closes at the speed of glacial drift; everything is overshadowed and ruined by the suspension, and to a lesser extent by the steering and the throttle linkage — which is as fast as the boot lid is slow.
Perhaps they wired them up the wrong way round?
With a tiny, tiny set of tweaks and a lot of mass sackings in the suspension design department, the S6 could be turned into something quite breathtaking. The ingredients are all there. But what you are being offered for £56,600 is actually well beyond a “disappointment”: it is actually utterly, utterly useless.
Current RS6 from Car Magazine:
It’s an Audi. Does it handle?
Depends what you mean by handling. This thing grips like cat claws on curtains, and it changes direction with greater haste and agility than a 5.0m length and a two-tonne weight would suggest. And… you know what’s coming.
It just isn’t involving in the way the best sports saloons are, and you can blame the steering. It’s rubbery and numb. Sure, it’s sharp enough, yet you can feel the weight of that engine in the nose and, despite the latest Quattro system’s 60 percent rearward torque bias, there’s never a hint of rear-end throttle steer.
Of course, because it’s so quick and grippy, there are plenty of less enjoyable things to do than drive an RS6 quickly. But it’s a machine of devastating power and towering ability rather than one of enormous character. Impressive yet aloof, the RS6 just isn’t friendly and encouraging in the way BMW’s M-cars are.
Sure, the RS6 will do things that the M5 won't. It will find traction, exploit it, and leave the BMW floundering (Merc too, of course) but that doesn't make it a better driver's car. There's no real depth to the experience - when you're not going very quickly, there isn't much to enjoy, and when you are, you don't feel involved. The RS6 is a device that gets the job done, not an instrument that relies on your skill to perform.
What is 'enough power' for the road? Everyone has their own idea, and in this class, with rear-drive, I don't think the M5 is far off it. In the right circumstances, the E55 feels sensationally faster which, of course, is its own buzz and has an undeniable appeal. As we said at the outset, its extraordinary pace redefines the performance saloon: 0-100 in 10.2sec is simply astonishing. Whatever you drive, you'll think twice about messing with an E55 in a straight line, always assuming you spot what it is in the first place.
Yet the M5 has only that to fear. In this class it remains on top because it is the complete package, blending excellent performance with peerless control and precision of chassis, throttle and steering. It would probably struggle to deploy the E55's massive torque and, frankly, it doesn't need it. Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.
On the S6
At idle, the 10-cylinder unit is softly spoken, and although only a six-speed auto is available, the S6 steps off very keenly. A hefty kerbweight of 1920kg is well disguised at low speeds by almost 400lb ft of torque, delivered between 3000 and 4000rpm. Much of the time you wouldn't know there was a V10 under the bonnet. On the overrun there's a rolling- thunder rumble from the tailpipes, but overall the M5's V10 is more stimulating, feeling more urgent and sounding more enthusiastic.
Mind, Audi pitches the S6 as a luxury car with sports car performance, which is about right. At speed or over rippled, lolloping roads, the damping reveals itself to be not as expertly controlled as the truly sporting RS4's, and here perhaps the mass of the V10 has an effect too. Dynamically this is a neat car, but your (and the car's) enthusiasm for pressing on stops short of the level inspired by the RS4.
If it's a bigger RS4 you're after, best wait for the RS6. If it's quiet speed you're after, the beautifully built, refined S6 fits the bill.
JC on the S6:
So what’s gone wrong? Well, the Audi engine factory is designed to produce engines with a 90-degree Vee, but the Lambo’s engine has an 88-degree Vee. Ergo, if they were going to make the engine in an Audi factory, it had to be changed. That means the S6 has only 429bhp and that, in turn, means that every time you put your foot down, you feel a) cheated and b) like the car you’ve bought was designed by accountants.
You also feel like you’re not really in control because it has quite the sharpest throttle response of any car I know. It will only set off at full pelt, which is a nuisance when you’re having to contend with a gearbox that works like it’s on cannabis, and steering which — I feel sure — is made from old driftwood.
And then we get to by far and away the worst thing: the ride. They call it “S line”, and it doesn’t take too long to work out what the S might stand for. Clue: four letters, begins with S, ends in hit. Which is odd because it really isn’t one.
It’s not firm in a controlled way. It’s firm like the matron in a Carry On film. It’s firm to the point where you start to laugh at its complete inability to ride with grace or panache over absolutely anything.
I would love to meet the team who designed it, because I do not believe that anyone who has ever driven “a car” before could possibly have fitted this and thought it might do. Their bosses should certainly dig out their CVs and do some deep background investigation, because they’re either imposters or they’re secretly working for BMW.
I can’t be bothered to go on, frankly, because it doesn’t matter how much I like the styling or the quality, or wonder why you might want to spend £400 on an electric boot lid that closes at the speed of glacial drift; everything is overshadowed and ruined by the suspension, and to a lesser extent by the steering and the throttle linkage — which is as fast as the boot lid is slow.
Perhaps they wired them up the wrong way round?
With a tiny, tiny set of tweaks and a lot of mass sackings in the suspension design department, the S6 could be turned into something quite breathtaking. The ingredients are all there. But what you are being offered for £56,600 is actually well beyond a “disappointment”: it is actually utterly, utterly useless.
Current RS6 from Car Magazine:
It’s an Audi. Does it handle?
Depends what you mean by handling. This thing grips like cat claws on curtains, and it changes direction with greater haste and agility than a 5.0m length and a two-tonne weight would suggest. And… you know what’s coming.
It just isn’t involving in the way the best sports saloons are, and you can blame the steering. It’s rubbery and numb. Sure, it’s sharp enough, yet you can feel the weight of that engine in the nose and, despite the latest Quattro system’s 60 percent rearward torque bias, there’s never a hint of rear-end throttle steer.
Of course, because it’s so quick and grippy, there are plenty of less enjoyable things to do than drive an RS6 quickly. But it’s a machine of devastating power and towering ability rather than one of enormous character. Impressive yet aloof, the RS6 just isn’t friendly and encouraging in the way BMW’s M-cars are.
02 December 2010, 08:09 PM
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Evo on the older M5 vs the RS6:
Sure, the RS6 will do things that the M5 won't. It will find traction, exploit it, and leave the BMW floundering (Merc too, of course) but that doesn't make it a better driver's car. There's no real depth to the experience - when you're not going very quickly, there isn't much to enjoy, and when you are, you don't feel involved. The RS6 is a device that gets the job done, not an instrument that relies on your skill to perform.
What is 'enough power' for the road? Everyone has their own idea, and in this class, with rear-drive, I don't think the M5 is far off it. In the right circumstances, the E55 feels sensationally faster which, of course, is its own buzz and has an undeniable appeal. As we said at the outset, its extraordinary pace redefines the performance saloon: 0-100 in 10.2sec is simply astonishing. Whatever you drive, you'll think twice about messing with an E55 in a straight line, always assuming you spot what it is in the first place.
Yet the M5 has only that to fear. In this class it remains on top because it is the complete package, blending excellent performance with peerless control and precision of chassis, throttle and steering. It would probably struggle to deploy the E55's massive torque and, frankly, it doesn't need it. Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.
On the S6
At idle, the 10-cylinder unit is softly spoken, and although only a six-speed auto is available, the S6 steps off very keenly. A hefty kerbweight of 1920kg is well disguised at low speeds by almost 400lb ft of torque, delivered between 3000 and 4000rpm. Much of the time you wouldn't know there was a V10 under the bonnet. On the overrun there's a rolling- thunder rumble from the tailpipes, but overall the M5's V10 is more stimulating, feeling more urgent and sounding more enthusiastic.
Mind, Audi pitches the S6 as a luxury car with sports car performance, which is about right. At speed or over rippled, lolloping roads, the damping reveals itself to be not as expertly controlled as the truly sporting RS4's, and here perhaps the mass of the V10 has an effect too. Dynamically this is a neat car, but your (and the car's) enthusiasm for pressing on stops short of the level inspired by the RS4.
If it's a bigger RS4 you're after, best wait for the RS6. If it's quiet speed you're after, the beautifully built, refined S6 fits the bill.
JC on the S6:
So what’s gone wrong? Well, the Audi engine factory is designed to produce engines with a 90-degree Vee, but the Lambo’s engine has an 88-degree Vee. Ergo, if they were going to make the engine in an Audi factory, it had to be changed. That means the S6 has only 429bhp and that, in turn, means that every time you put your foot down, you feel a) cheated and b) like the car you’ve bought was designed by accountants.
You also feel like you’re not really in control because it has quite the sharpest throttle response of any car I know. It will only set off at full pelt, which is a nuisance when you’re having to contend with a gearbox that works like it’s on cannabis, and steering which — I feel sure — is made from old driftwood.
And then we get to by far and away the worst thing: the ride. They call it “S line”, and it doesn’t take too long to work out what the S might stand for. Clue: four letters, begins with S, ends in hit. Which is odd because it really isn’t one.
It’s not firm in a controlled way. It’s firm like the matron in a Carry On film. It’s firm to the point where you start to laugh at its complete inability to ride with grace or panache over absolutely anything.
I would love to meet the team who designed it, because I do not believe that anyone who has ever driven “a car” before could possibly have fitted this and thought it might do. Their bosses should certainly dig out their CVs and do some deep background investigation, because they’re either imposters or they’re secretly working for BMW.
I can’t be bothered to go on, frankly, because it doesn’t matter how much I like the styling or the quality, or wonder why you might want to spend £400 on an electric boot lid that closes at the speed of glacial drift; everything is overshadowed and ruined by the suspension, and to a lesser extent by the steering and the throttle linkage — which is as fast as the boot lid is slow.
Perhaps they wired them up the wrong way round?
With a tiny, tiny set of tweaks and a lot of mass sackings in the suspension design department, the S6 could be turned into something quite breathtaking. The ingredients are all there. But what you are being offered for £56,600 is actually well beyond a “disappointment”: it is actually utterly, utterly useless.
Current RS6 from Car Magazine:
It’s an Audi. Does it handle?
Depends what you mean by handling. This thing grips like cat claws on curtains, and it changes direction with greater haste and agility than a 5.0m length and a two-tonne weight would suggest. And… you know what’s coming.
It just isn’t involving in the way the best sports saloons are, and you can blame the steering. It’s rubbery and numb. Sure, it’s sharp enough, yet you can feel the weight of that engine in the nose and, despite the latest Quattro system’s 60 percent rearward torque bias, there’s never a hint of rear-end throttle steer.
Of course, because it’s so quick and grippy, there are plenty of less enjoyable things to do than drive an RS6 quickly. But it’s a machine of devastating power and towering ability rather than one of enormous character. Impressive yet aloof, the RS6 just isn’t friendly and encouraging in the way BMW’s M-cars are.
Sure, the RS6 will do things that the M5 won't. It will find traction, exploit it, and leave the BMW floundering (Merc too, of course) but that doesn't make it a better driver's car. There's no real depth to the experience - when you're not going very quickly, there isn't much to enjoy, and when you are, you don't feel involved. The RS6 is a device that gets the job done, not an instrument that relies on your skill to perform.
What is 'enough power' for the road? Everyone has their own idea, and in this class, with rear-drive, I don't think the M5 is far off it. In the right circumstances, the E55 feels sensationally faster which, of course, is its own buzz and has an undeniable appeal. As we said at the outset, its extraordinary pace redefines the performance saloon: 0-100 in 10.2sec is simply astonishing. Whatever you drive, you'll think twice about messing with an E55 in a straight line, always assuming you spot what it is in the first place.
Yet the M5 has only that to fear. In this class it remains on top because it is the complete package, blending excellent performance with peerless control and precision of chassis, throttle and steering. It would probably struggle to deploy the E55's massive torque and, frankly, it doesn't need it. Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.
On the S6
At idle, the 10-cylinder unit is softly spoken, and although only a six-speed auto is available, the S6 steps off very keenly. A hefty kerbweight of 1920kg is well disguised at low speeds by almost 400lb ft of torque, delivered between 3000 and 4000rpm. Much of the time you wouldn't know there was a V10 under the bonnet. On the overrun there's a rolling- thunder rumble from the tailpipes, but overall the M5's V10 is more stimulating, feeling more urgent and sounding more enthusiastic.
Mind, Audi pitches the S6 as a luxury car with sports car performance, which is about right. At speed or over rippled, lolloping roads, the damping reveals itself to be not as expertly controlled as the truly sporting RS4's, and here perhaps the mass of the V10 has an effect too. Dynamically this is a neat car, but your (and the car's) enthusiasm for pressing on stops short of the level inspired by the RS4.
If it's a bigger RS4 you're after, best wait for the RS6. If it's quiet speed you're after, the beautifully built, refined S6 fits the bill.
JC on the S6:
So what’s gone wrong? Well, the Audi engine factory is designed to produce engines with a 90-degree Vee, but the Lambo’s engine has an 88-degree Vee. Ergo, if they were going to make the engine in an Audi factory, it had to be changed. That means the S6 has only 429bhp and that, in turn, means that every time you put your foot down, you feel a) cheated and b) like the car you’ve bought was designed by accountants.
You also feel like you’re not really in control because it has quite the sharpest throttle response of any car I know. It will only set off at full pelt, which is a nuisance when you’re having to contend with a gearbox that works like it’s on cannabis, and steering which — I feel sure — is made from old driftwood.
And then we get to by far and away the worst thing: the ride. They call it “S line”, and it doesn’t take too long to work out what the S might stand for. Clue: four letters, begins with S, ends in hit. Which is odd because it really isn’t one.
It’s not firm in a controlled way. It’s firm like the matron in a Carry On film. It’s firm to the point where you start to laugh at its complete inability to ride with grace or panache over absolutely anything.
I would love to meet the team who designed it, because I do not believe that anyone who has ever driven “a car” before could possibly have fitted this and thought it might do. Their bosses should certainly dig out their CVs and do some deep background investigation, because they’re either imposters or they’re secretly working for BMW.
I can’t be bothered to go on, frankly, because it doesn’t matter how much I like the styling or the quality, or wonder why you might want to spend £400 on an electric boot lid that closes at the speed of glacial drift; everything is overshadowed and ruined by the suspension, and to a lesser extent by the steering and the throttle linkage — which is as fast as the boot lid is slow.
Perhaps they wired them up the wrong way round?
With a tiny, tiny set of tweaks and a lot of mass sackings in the suspension design department, the S6 could be turned into something quite breathtaking. The ingredients are all there. But what you are being offered for £56,600 is actually well beyond a “disappointment”: it is actually utterly, utterly useless.
Current RS6 from Car Magazine:
It’s an Audi. Does it handle?
Depends what you mean by handling. This thing grips like cat claws on curtains, and it changes direction with greater haste and agility than a 5.0m length and a two-tonne weight would suggest. And… you know what’s coming.
It just isn’t involving in the way the best sports saloons are, and you can blame the steering. It’s rubbery and numb. Sure, it’s sharp enough, yet you can feel the weight of that engine in the nose and, despite the latest Quattro system’s 60 percent rearward torque bias, there’s never a hint of rear-end throttle steer.
Of course, because it’s so quick and grippy, there are plenty of less enjoyable things to do than drive an RS6 quickly. But it’s a machine of devastating power and towering ability rather than one of enormous character. Impressive yet aloof, the RS6 just isn’t friendly and encouraging in the way BMW’s M-cars are.
02 December 2010, 08:12 PM
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sadly no sound clip ....but you can youtube it (search E60 M5 rpi exhaust)
scoobies exhausts note just dont compare against the mighty V10......just the system alone will cost you near £4k to import , when I p/x my M5 ....i sold the Rpi system back to some "yank" in FL USA as they are known as one of the best system for the E60 M5 , they not only sound awesome but will make around 25 bhp over stock as well .
Really missed my M5 now
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02 December 2010, 08:22 PM
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Alan - you go on about your S6 all the time but the fact is, it was never a popular car and received lukewarm reviews. Sorry to disappoint you but I consider my fairly modest 335d to be a much better car than your S6. It handles properly, it has suspension that works. Only fast estate I'd want over it is an M5 Touring or an E63 Merc. Your car is at appealing to me as a Perodua. Carry on thinking you have the best car ever made though. It's quite amusing.
02 December 2010, 08:28 PM
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Alan - you go on about your S6 all the time but the fact is, it was never a popular car and received lukewarm reviews. Sorry to disappoint you but I consider my fairly modest 335d to be a much better car than your S6. It handles properly, it has suspension that works. Only fast estate I'd want over it is an M5 Touring or an E63 Merc. Your car is at appealing to me as a Perodua. Carry on thinking you have the best car ever made though. It's quite amusing.
02 December 2010, 08:31 PM
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Hi Sean, yes it was fitted with the Race precision GT aftermarket full system exhaust(american tuner ) and its sounds awesome ...like some exotic Ferrari.
sadly no sound clip ....but you can youtube it (search E60 M5 rpi exhaust)
scoobies exhausts note just dont compare against the mighty V10......just the system alone will cost you near £4k to import , when I p/x my M5 ....i sold the Rpi system back to some "yank" in FL USA as they are known as one of the best system for the E60 M5 , they not only sound awesome but will make around 25 bhp over stock as well .
Really missed my M5 now
sadly no sound clip ....but you can youtube it (search E60 M5 rpi exhaust)
scoobies exhausts note just dont compare against the mighty V10......just the system alone will cost you near £4k to import , when I p/x my M5 ....i sold the Rpi system back to some "yank" in FL USA as they are known as one of the best system for the E60 M5 , they not only sound awesome but will make around 25 bhp over stock as well .
Really missed my M5 now
02 December 2010, 08:34 PM
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Alan - you go on about your S6 all the time but the fact is, it was never a popular car and received lukewarm reviews. Sorry to disappoint you but I consider my fairly modest 335d to be a much better car than your S6. It handles properly, it has suspension that works. Only fast estate I'd want over it is an M5 Touring or an E63 Merc. Your car is at appealing to me as a Perodua. Carry on thinking you have the best car ever made though. It's quite amusing.
02 December 2010, 08:43 PM
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Yes Ding ...I know , my thought were that the E60 was getting long in the tooth(4yrs old)if i were to keep its longer it would be very hard to sell , plus i get bored of cars very quickly( I'm bored of my m3 now after only doing 3000 mile in it !).
in hind sight should not of change as I just had the Ebach pro springs fitted and new brake discs/pads replace along with a full service done , but you know once yr in the dealers and these shiny new cars just get the better of you along with the hard sell from my local Bmw salesman also got a good deal on the M3 as well.
Don't get me wrong 99% of people would love my current E90 M3...it just that when you have owned a E60 M5 ....any 4 dr performance saloon is going to have a hard act to follow !!
in hind sight should not of change as I just had the Ebach pro springs fitted and new brake discs/pads replace along with a full service done , but you know once yr in the dealers and these shiny new cars just get the better of you along with the hard sell from my local Bmw salesman
also got a good deal on the M3 as well.Don't get me wrong 99% of people would love my current E90 M3...it just that when you have owned a E60 M5 ....any 4 dr performance saloon is going to have a hard act to follow !!
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02 December 2010, 08:58 PM
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Yes Ding ...I know , my thought were that the E60 was getting long in the tooth(4yrs old)if i were to keep its longer it would be very hard to sell , plus i get bored of cars very quickly( I'm bored of my m3 now after only doing 3000 mile in it !).
in hind sight should not of change as I just had the Ebach pro springs fitted and new brake discs/pads replace along with a full service done , but you know once yr in the dealers and these shiny new cars just get the better of you along with the hard sell from my local Bmw salesman also got a good deal on the M3 as well.
Don't get me wrong 99% of people would love my current E90 M3...it just that when you had owned a E60 M5 ....any 4 dr performance saloon is going to have a hard act to follow !!
in hind sight should not of change as I just had the Ebach pro springs fitted and new brake discs/pads replace along with a full service done , but you know once yr in the dealers and these shiny new cars just get the better of you along with the hard sell from my local Bmw salesman
also got a good deal on the M3 as well.Don't get me wrong 99% of people would love my current E90 M3...it just that when you had owned a E60 M5 ....any 4 dr performance saloon is going to have a hard act to follow !!
I'm very interested about your Eibachs. I'm looking to lower my 535d M sport (sorry, I know it's not a proper M car!) when it arrives. The Eibach kit is £220 and the AC Schnitzer £400. How did you find the Eibachs?
Cheers
btw don't feel too disheartened, the new M5 is out late next year. Gives us something to look forward to!
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02 December 2010, 09:06 PM
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I think we're being unfair to the Audi S/RS cars and that journalists are on a bandwagon about them. None of them have problems with traction in the wet or winter like most BMWs. None of them have a problem with brakes that wilt when you drive them hard like most BMWs. None of them have a jerky gearbox. The V8s sound awesome. Most of them have good midrange torque. All have quite tasteful cabins.
I've not tried a V10 S6, but the older V8 RS6 that has been slated for steering feel is absolutely fine to fling around on a B-road because I've done it and seriously enjoyed it. I didn't recognise the car from that which was reviewed.
In the same way the press overstate the abilities of BMW suspension which is oversprung and underdamped for UK roads.
I've not tried a V10 S6, but the older V8 RS6 that has been slated for steering feel is absolutely fine to fling around on a B-road because I've done it and seriously enjoyed it. I didn't recognise the car from that which was reviewed.
In the same way the press overstate the abilities of BMW suspension which is oversprung and underdamped for UK roads.
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02 December 2010, 09:10 PM
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Ding I would go Eibach over the AC every time .
great control, with comfort really tranform the M5 from stock.
regarding the new M5 ..i think it too big !! also twin turbo V8 is a big let down.....they should of turbo the V10 instead.
I've decide already I going back to the Porsche Brand when i change next ............
If yr bored of yr M5 ..why not go the tunning route, not cheap though !!
that guy on pistonhead forum with the dyno-graph ....I know he post under the alias as Stormer on the M5board and he's car is still going strong @100k +miles , so there is still plenty of mileage in yr car yet
great control, with comfort really tranform the M5 from stock.
regarding the new M5 ..i think it too big !! also twin turbo V8 is a big let down.....they should of turbo the V10 instead.
I've decide already I going back to the Porsche Brand when i change next ............
If yr bored of yr M5 ..why not go the tunning route, not cheap though !!
that guy on pistonhead forum with the dyno-graph ....I know he post under the alias as Stormer on the M5board and he's car is still going strong @100k +miles , so there is still plenty of mileage in yr car yet
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02 December 2010, 09:49 PM
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I'm sorry, but there is no way in hell an e60 dash is more dated than the old V8 bi-turbo RS6. That RS6 dash looks dog-sh*t old IMHO - I mean, the sat nav screen is about the size of a ipod screen!
LCI e60 is much improved, especially as the ditched those stupid curving door handles.
LCI e60 is much improved, especially as the ditched those stupid curving door handles.
LCI 5 wins at the mo'
02 December 2010, 09:53 PM
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ok should have said M sport model rather than generalising.I owned a 535d M Sport which was identical externally (and mostly interior) to an M5 apart from the quad pipes everything was the same.
As i said its all down to personal preferences and everyones will differ but i think the M5 looks plain and boring and like every other 'M Sport ' on the road Put some 19s on them and no one would know the difference
As i said its all down to personal preferences and everyones will differ but i think the M5 looks plain and boring and like every other 'M Sport ' on the road
Put some 19s on them and no one would know the difference
02 December 2010, 10:21 PM
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Ding I would go Eibach over the AC every time .
great control, with comfort really tranform the M5 from stock.
regarding the new M5 ..i think it too big !! also twin turbo V8 is a big let down.....they should of turbo the V10 instead.
I've decide already I going back to the Porsche Brand when i change next ............
If yr bored of yr M5 ..why not go the tunning route, not cheap though !!
that guy on pistonhead forum with the dyno-graph ....I know he post under the alias as Stormer on the M5board and he's car is still going strong @100k +miles , so there is still plenty of mileage in yr car yet
great control, with comfort really tranform the M5 from stock.
regarding the new M5 ..i think it too big !! also twin turbo V8 is a big let down.....they should of turbo the V10 instead.
I've decide already I going back to the Porsche Brand when i change next ............
If yr bored of yr M5 ..why not go the tunning route, not cheap though !!
that guy on pistonhead forum with the dyno-graph ....I know he post under the alias as Stormer on the M5board and he's car is still going strong @100k +miles , so there is still plenty of mileage in yr car yet
Don't be put off by the V8TT in the F10 M5, BMW will put together a package that will tick all the boxes. The biggest challenge as you say though is the size/weight. I have no idea how on earth they will overcome this to produce a car that handles really well. Either it has trick suspension or weight saving measures. If it doesn't manage this then it will be no better than a RS or AMG. It will be interesting to see what they do.
Only worth considering though if you need an one all in super saloon, if you can manage with a Porsche then no point in considering such a big heavy car.
As for me keeping the M5, it's a done deal now, I've signed on the dotted line and am looking forward to my 535d!
02 December 2010, 10:24 PM
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I think we're being unfair to the Audi S/RS cars and that journalists are on a bandwagon about them. None of them have problems with traction in the wet or winter like most BMWs. None of them have a problem with brakes that wilt when you drive them hard like most BMWs. None of them have a jerky gearbox. The V8s sound awesome. Most of them have good midrange torque. All have quite tasteful cabins.
I've not tried a V10 S6, but the older V8 RS6 that has been slated for steering feel is absolutely fine to fling around on a B-road because I've done it and seriously enjoyed it. I didn't recognise the car from that which was reviewed.
In the same way the press overstate the abilities of BMW suspension which is oversprung and underdamped for UK roads.
I've not tried a V10 S6, but the older V8 RS6 that has been slated for steering feel is absolutely fine to fling around on a B-road because I've done it and seriously enjoyed it. I didn't recognise the car from that which was reviewed.
In the same way the press overstate the abilities of BMW suspension which is oversprung and underdamped for UK roads.
02 December 2010, 10:45 PM
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The press fall for the 50:50 weight distribution and RWD marketing. I am partial to a bit of BMW, but they have significant weaknesses that I've outlined that the press rarely talk about. On the other hand they criticise Audis over things that in many ways are far less significant flaws. Driving cars they have reviewed, I often wonder if it is the same car, for better or worse.
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Could well have left the factory like that; a lot of BMW's have fairly bad orange peel
At least it is usually uniform across the whole car though! I saw a thread recently (perhaps on here) where a guy got his entire E90 M3 wet-sanded and then machine polished to remove the peel.
At least it is usually uniform across the whole car though! I saw a thread recently (perhaps on here) where a guy got his entire E90 M3 wet-sanded and then machine polished to remove the peel.
02 December 2010, 11:33 PM
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I might do both, it depends how much I have had to drink.
Tipical BMW driver, pulls out without looking, And nobody elses opinion is right.
Just you all watch next time you se a BMW, watch how they drive, no indicators, or is that because they are all broken, pull out in front of you, wont let you out of a junction. Do you think its because there is a loos nut behind the steering wheel.
Bez
Tipical BMW driver, pulls out without looking, And nobody elses opinion is right.
Just you all watch next time you se a BMW, watch how they drive, no indicators, or is that because they are all broken, pull out in front of you, wont let you out of a junction. Do you think its because there is a loos nut behind the steering wheel.
Bez
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03 December 2010, 11:27 AM
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I might do both, it depends how much I have had to drink.
Tipical BMW driver, pulls out without looking, And nobody elses opinion is right.
Just you all watch next time you se a BMW, watch how they drive, no indicators, or is that because they are all broken, pull out in front of you, wont let you out of a junction. Do you think its because there is a loos nut behind the steering wheel.
Bez
Tipical BMW driver, pulls out without looking, And nobody elses opinion is right.
Just you all watch next time you se a BMW, watch how they drive, no indicators, or is that because they are all broken, pull out in front of you, wont let you out of a junction. Do you think its because there is a loos nut behind the steering wheel.
Bez
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