Ofsted praises Islamic schools which oppose Western lifestyle
JTaylor,
I am going to ask you this one more time. Why, if as YOU say, Islam is such a threat are you trying to debate it on Scoobynet? You say you have never met a Muslim who can argue cohesively against your view point and you proclaim to want to debate it so why not post on a Muslim/Islamic forum where you may find some Muslims to engage with.
One answer to that could be that you are fearful as to what you might hear in both directions Far easier to post on a predominantly right wing froum like SN and have people broadly agree with you about those nasty Muslims than to get properly challenged. Makes you feel better when something that worries you is reinforced by others.... safety in numbers and all that!
Just another thought for you.
I am going to ask you this one more time. Why, if as YOU say, Islam is such a threat are you trying to debate it on Scoobynet? You say you have never met a Muslim who can argue cohesively against your view point and you proclaim to want to debate it so why not post on a Muslim/Islamic forum where you may find some Muslims to engage with.
One answer to that could be that you are fearful as to what you might hear in both directions Far easier to post on a predominantly right wing froum like SN and have people broadly agree with you about those nasty Muslims than to get properly challenged. Makes you feel better when something that worries you is reinforced by others.... safety in numbers and all that!
Just another thought for you.
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Thanks for that. I have had this discussion with people across cyberspace and, believe or not, in the real world. If you have a look at the Islamism thread there were numerous contributions from Muslims. I choose to discuss the issue on NSR at this time. If you do not wish to discuss it, that's cool, perhaps you should start a thread or get involved in a thread that suits you.
If you wish to challenge my point of view rather than my character, that's cool, too. Maybe you can convince me that I'm wrong.
If you wish to challenge my point of view rather than my character, that's cool, too. Maybe you can convince me that I'm wrong.
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For the record, you and DCI did exactly the same on another thread.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=176
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=161
I'll repeat my point. If you do not like the subject, don't get involved. If you don't like my position, attack it and not me. I'm opened minded and if your reasoning stacks up I'll admit I was wrong.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=176
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=161
I'll repeat my point. If you do not like the subject, don't get involved. If you don't like my position, attack it and not me. I'm opened minded and if your reasoning stacks up I'll admit I was wrong.
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in fact I'm not so sure we're actually not the same person... 
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I think you're just like minded on this; you both want the topic off the front pages of NSR. You because you think NSR is like a pub and f1_fan.... well that remains to be seen.
Thanks for that. I have had this discussion with people across cyberspace and, believe or not, in the real world. If you have a look at the Islamism thread there were numerous contributions from Muslims. I choose to discuss the issue on NSR at this time. If you do not wish to discuss it, that's cool, perhaps you should start a thread or get involved in a thread that suits you.
If you wish to challenge my point of view rather than my character, that's cool, too. Maybe you can convince me that I'm wrong.
If you wish to challenge my point of view rather than my character, that's cool, too. Maybe you can convince me that I'm wrong.
Did you not hear what you had hoped, which is the reason you're constantly making the same points and asking the same questions?
It's not so much the subject but the repetitiveness of it, have you not figured out the answers you're looking for are not going to be found in a Japanese car forum. Have you honestly joined an Islam/Muslim based forum to ask for answers? I doubt very much that the Muslims of Snet want to explain their religion/faith to you every other day in a new thread which ends up going the same way.
And scoobyd00999, you're not helping matters by almost saying it's Muslims turn to invade our country so get used to it.
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ill spell it out, in 30 years we will be outnumbered by illiterate religious ******* who hate everything about the country they are in, WILL change it to suit them cos our government wont do a thing about it and take pleasure in basically taking England back to 1500 A.D
Islam is not compatible with the west, its a backwards religion for idiots who think we are in iraq circa 100 years ago, the world has moved on, islam and its brainwashed followers have not.
Islam is not compatible with the west, its a backwards religion for idiots who think we are in iraq circa 100 years ago, the world has moved on, islam and its brainwashed followers have not.
For the record, you and DCI did exactly the same on another thread.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=176
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=161
I'll repeat my point. If you do not like the subject, don't get involved. If you don't like my position, attack it and not me. I'm opened minded and if your reasoning stacks up I'll admit I was wrong.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=176
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=161
I'll repeat my point. If you do not like the subject, don't get involved. If you don't like my position, attack it and not me. I'm opened minded and if your reasoning stacks up I'll admit I was wrong.
Sorry JT, but if I want to question your motives for posting I will do. I have as much right as you do to post on here and I am not the only one who thinks this way. As DCI said you really should look at your posts form the position of a third party.... then you may get what we mean.
So you would support us being taken over by a religion that would take us back 100 years?
And more, in the case of women?
It's all OK because it's happened before?
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https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...-islamism.html
There's conflict brewing on these shores, the only chance we have to head it off or reduce its severity is to open up dialogue so that both parties can better understand one another.
Would you be good enough to post up a link to an Islamic site who's views are pro-Secularism so that I may speak with them and understand what actions they are taking to root out the Islamists in this country? Additionally, perhaps you could post a link to a pro-Islamist site so that I can voice my concerns and perhaps have my fears allayed?
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I don't recall the meeting whereby Scoobynet became the frontline against the perceived growth of Islamism in the UK 
Look's like we're already listing good and bad muslims on Scoobynet FFS
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I agree, equally unhelpful to the claim of non-proliferation of Islamic ideology are the posts by Alladin, SoNiCa, Mus and (with more sophistication) AbbasSTI on this thread:
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Would you be good enough to post up a link to an Islamic site who's views are pro-Secularism so that I may speak with them and understand what actions they are taking to root out the Islamists in this country? Additionally, perhaps you could post a link to a pro-Islamist site so that I can voice my concerns and perhaps have my fears allayed?
The Internet is a wonderful tool and is relatively easy to find anything you want, and if you really wanted the answers to questions you so repeatedly ask you would.
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Oh good lord: I've heard of some excuses to avoid teaching Shakesperian tosh, but this takes the biscuits, the cheese and the grapes:
No its not funny; She's serious.
She also attacked the “obvious dangers” of Shakespeare, including “Romeo and Juliet, which advocates disobeying parents and premarital relations”.
No its not funny; She's serious.
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f1_fan also states that there isn't an issue.
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https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=46
Every time it's discussed he attacks the individual and never the point. I believe that the likes of him, Martin2005 and others who refuse to acknowledge the threat are as much of a danger as the threat itself. It's telling however that they're incapable of presenting a credible counter; all that ever occurs is denial without presenting evidence to support it. The reason: there is no counter evidence but the two of them don't want to lose face. They'll just keep on attacking the person, they can't attack the point because they don't have any ammunition.
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https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=46
Every time it's discussed he attacks the individual and never the point. I believe that the likes of him, Martin2005 and others who refuse to acknowledge the threat are as much of a danger as the threat itself. It's telling however that they're incapable of presenting a credible counter; all that ever occurs is denial without presenting evidence to support it. The reason: there is no counter evidence but the two of them don't want to lose face. They'll just keep on attacking the person, they can't attack the point because they don't have any ammunition.
And I'm the one making it personal!!!
If you have a solution to all this then please let me know
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Incidentally, if there's no problem, why do you keep asking for a solution?
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The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times.
The population multiplied 10 times faster than the rest of society, the research by the Office for National Statistics reveals. In the same period the number of Christians in the country fell by more than 2 million.
Experts said that the increase was attributable to immigration, a higher birthrate and conversions to Islam during the period of 2004-2008, when the data was gathered. They said that it also suggested a growing willingness among believers to describe themselves as Muslims because the western reaction to war and terrorism had strengthened their sense of identity.
Muslim leaders have welcomed the growing population of their communities as academics highlighted the implications for British society, integration and government resources.
sums it up nicely. Now i am not saying all Muslims are fanatical or radical in fact i know quite a few that are neither just good folk but to answer your question see the link above
Oh and Labour Force Survey who carried out the survey - FYI http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbas...e.asp?vlnk=358 right bunch of right wing ***** if ever i saw one
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece
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You're assuming the gentlemen are Muslims, I've merely repeated the names of contributors that publicly aspoused agressive Islamism. As I am sure you're very aware, you do not need to be a Muslim to be an Islamist sympathiser.
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May I punt a noteworthy observation here? No? I'll do it anyway 
Maybe if certain folk look at the tone of their posts they typed in the past, they may realise it comes across in a manner that is exceptionable. Taking a moral high ground, belittling the "typical SN masses" as if they were uneducated racist kuckle-draggers or otherwise, but at the same without providing the answers to the problem (or even acknowledging it), or spounting "send 'em all 'ome" at every opertunity, with the usual Eastenders-esq soap-like exchanges that follow. Hence these users on both sides gain a reputation from that and become the focal to direct any debate towards if certain contentious topics arise. Promoting responses that are equally if not more objectionable than the prior, which just esculates further and further.
Now, if you can handle that kind of stuff fine; Congratulations, you are a "typical SN/NSR" user, be it an extreme liberalist or a closest racist. (extreme liberalists are also typical SN users too ). But if you can't take it, or find it personally upsetting, first look at what you've typed in the past and look how the opposition would interpret it, then make future posts more tactful and concentrate more on posing your own solutions instead of rubbishing that of others.
Yeah, whatever
Carry on.....
Maybe if certain folk look at the tone of their posts they typed in the past, they may realise it comes across in a manner that is exceptionable. Taking a moral high ground, belittling the "typical SN masses" as if they were uneducated racist kuckle-draggers or otherwise, but at the same without providing the answers to the problem (or even acknowledging it), or spounting "send 'em all 'ome" at every opertunity, with the usual Eastenders-esq soap-like exchanges that follow. Hence these users on both sides gain a reputation from that and become the focal to direct any debate towards if certain contentious topics arise. Promoting responses that are equally if not more objectionable than the prior, which just esculates further and further.
Now, if you can handle that kind of stuff fine; Congratulations, you are a "typical SN/NSR" user, be it an extreme liberalist or a closest racist. (extreme liberalists are also typical SN users too
). But if you can't take it, or find it personally upsetting, first look at what you've typed in the past and look how the opposition would interpret it, then make future posts more tactful and concentrate more on posing your own solutions instead of rubbishing that of others.Yeah, whatever
Carry on.....
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May I punt a noteworthy observation here? No? I'll do it anyway
Maybe if certain folk look at the tone of their posts they typed in the past, they may realise it comes across in a manner that is exceptionable. Taking a moral high ground, belittling the "typical SN masses" as if they were uneducated racist kuckle-draggers or otherwise, but at the same without providing the answers to the problem (or even acknowledging it), or spounting "send 'em all 'ome" at every opertunity, with the usual Eastenders-esq soap-like exchanges that follow. Hence these users on both sides gain a reputation from that and become the focal to direct any debate towards if certain contentious topics arise. Promoting responses that are equally if not more objectionable than the prior, which just esculates further and further.
Now, if you can handle that kind of stuff fine; Congratulations, you are a "typical SN/NSR" user, be it an extreme liberalist or a closest racist. (extreme liberalists are also typical SN users too ). But if you can't take it, or find it personally upsetting, first look at what you've typed in the past and look how the opposition would interpret it, then make future posts more tactful and concentrate more on posing your own solutions instead of rubbishing that of others.
Yeah, whatever
Carry on.....
Maybe if certain folk look at the tone of their posts they typed in the past, they may realise it comes across in a manner that is exceptionable. Taking a moral high ground, belittling the "typical SN masses" as if they were uneducated racist kuckle-draggers or otherwise, but at the same without providing the answers to the problem (or even acknowledging it), or spounting "send 'em all 'ome" at every opertunity, with the usual Eastenders-esq soap-like exchanges that follow. Hence these users on both sides gain a reputation from that and become the focal to direct any debate towards if certain contentious topics arise. Promoting responses that are equally if not more objectionable than the prior, which just esculates further and further.
Now, if you can handle that kind of stuff fine; Congratulations, you are a "typical SN/NSR" user, be it an extreme liberalist or a closest racist. (extreme liberalists are also typical SN users too
). But if you can't take it, or find it personally upsetting, first look at what you've typed in the past and look how the opposition would interpret it, then make future posts more tactful and concentrate more on posing your own solutions instead of rubbishing that of others.Yeah, whatever
Carry on.....
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I trust the Office for National Statistics is reputable enough for you. The Times is the vehicle in this instance, although I'm sure we could find the original document and its author and do a background check if the need arises.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece
But even so, according to those details there were 300,000 under 4's and the remaining 200,000 were (apparently) converts and immigrants.... does that really bother you to the point you're unable to sleep at night?