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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Ever think that some of us might not think there is a problem??????????

If there isn't a problem, why is it in the news so often (not just the daily mail ), why has governments acknowledged that there is a unhealthy lack of social integration in various areas of the UK? And why does this thread even exist?

Even if you could pick a bone of contention with the OP, you can't suggest every other person acknowledging there is an issue is a racist?
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
you do not need to be a Muslim to be an Islamist sympathiser.
Jesus H Christ , I prefer to think of it as not being "a complete **** my pants at the mention of the word Islam".....

Please tell me you're not serious, your list must be massive by now
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I trust the Office for National Statistics is reputable enough for you. The Times is the vehicle in this instance, although I'm sure we could find the original document and its author and do a background check if the need arises.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece
Some people live in denial belittling facts posted from reputable sources.
DCI asked for evidence to back your comments up and it was provided. It appears he can do little else but dodge the bullet so to speak by making light of it which poor form and a little sad that that is all he has to contriute, makes his other comments somewhat weak and feeble really. IM(zenophoic & Islam hating)HO
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
If there isn't a problem, why is it in the news so often (not just the daily mail ), why has governments acknowledged that there is a unhealthy lack of social integration in various areas of the UK? And why does this thread even exist?

Even if you could pick a bone of contention with the OP, you can't suggest every other person acknowledging there is an issue is a racist?
Out of the two of us the only one to use the word racist is you! Make of that everyone what you will.

P.S. Muslims are not a race!!!
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
You do realise they poll 50,000 homes and use that as a basis for the rest of the UK?

But even so, according to those details there were 300,000 under 4's and the remaining 200,000 were (apparently) converts and immigrants.... does that really bother you to the point you're unable to sleep at night?

It's the 300k under 4s that bother me most, it's not surprising Mohammad is the most popular name for newborns in GB. You don't seem to be very far sighted, DCI.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:18 PM
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Some people live in denial belittling facts posted from reputable sources.
Do you have any hard facts that back that up
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
It's the 300k under 4s that bother me most, it's not surprising Mohammad is the most popular name for newborns in GB. You don't seem to be very far sighted, DCI.
Nope, I'm still fixed on the 43 million Christians at present, maybe a campaign of CoE ******** followed by naming all the newborns "Dave" is in order
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Jesus H Christ , I prefer to think of it as not being "a complete **** my pants at the mention of the word Islam".....

Please tell me you're not serious, your list must be massive by now
Look, DCI, you're not coming across as being particularly credible. Obscure comments, lots of smileys, denying the validity of the ONS, no real position and so forth. Maybe you could tell some jokes or something to lighten the mood a little. What do you think?
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Out of the two of us the only one to use the word racist is you! Make of that everyone what you will.
I was brave enough to say the R word instead of using suggestive text. As I said earlier; Tact. I could beat around the bush in a PC manner, but even if you say there is no problem, except implying that there is a problem with those who say there is. Can you see why people will take exception to that?

P.S. Muslims are not a race!!!
You tell them that! So, we're all Religionists then?, oh, no wait....
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Do you have any hard facts that back that up
That's the spirit! You seem to be much better at that sort of thing.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
That's the spirit! You seem to be much better at that sort of thing.
Well someone had to keep you amused today
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
I was brave enough to say the R word instead of using suggestive text. As I said earlier; Tact. I could beat around the bush in a PC manner, but even if you say there is no problem, except implying that there is a problem with those who say there is. Can you see why people will take exception to that?



You tell them that! So, we're all Religionists then?, oh, no wait....
If you bother to read this thread and several others you will see my position as to JT and TDW is clear and politely explained in several clear posts. Nowhere do I use the word racist word and I actually don't think they are.

So for the last time please stop putting words in my mouth. I can tell you aren't keen on my posts and that is fair enough, but implying I am calling people racist when I am not is pathtic and somewhat low!
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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To be fair, f1_fan only made references to me and Tony engaging in a Muslim witchhunt, and implied bigotry by association. Fairly transparent. DCI however has pulled the BNP card and the old Adolf trick. Neither, however, have been able to present an argument, they've not even made attempt, which proves my position flawed. Personal attacks, nothing else. Well done lads.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 06:07 PM
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I wasn't arguing with you - I was laughing at you, there's a difference You've held your position well, your mum will be so pleased
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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muslims are not a race , if that is so then someone please tell me why is it then everytime someone takes the p1ss out of them the p1sstaker is a racist
and my next question is . if they hate westerners and our way of like so much
WHY THE **** DO THEY HITCHHIKE THOUSANDS OF MILES TO GET HERE, is it as i suspect so they can take the p1ss out of us by claiming everything on offer and insulting us at every oppertunity. or is it that they all secretly crave the westerner way of life ie IN A BOB HOSKINS VOICE ,, ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEEEEYYY, any chance of a answer to both these questions from the pc brigade

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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
To be fair, f1_fan only made references to me and Tony engaging in a Muslim witchhunt, and implied bigotry by association. Fairly transparent. DCI however has pulled the BNP card and the old Adolf trick. Neither, however, have been able to present an argument, they've not even made attempt, which proves my position flawed. Personal attacks, nothing else. Well done lads.
I don't think you are bigot actually. I think somehow you have arrived at this position of worrying about the perceived threat of Islamism so much that you can't see amy other way, but your way.

It was interesting when I implied your post listing the users who were unhelpful was a witch hunt that you leapt on the fact that one or more of them might not be Muslims... when did I ever say they were? Interesting that

I think your 'witch hunt' for what it is is against people who don't agree with you regardless of their colour or creed actually.
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f1 - waste of time fella....

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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
I wasn't arguing with you - I was laughing at you, there's a difference You've held your position well, your mum will be so pleased
Ah, I see, the old accuse-a-man-of-being-in-the-BNP-and-call-him-Adolf gag! Quickly followed by the classic 'mum' reference. Really good, DCI. Really very well done.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Ah, I see, the old accuse-a-man-of-being-in-the-BNP-and-call-him-Adolf gag! Quickly followed by the classic 'mum' reference. Really good, DCI. Really very well done.
No problemo... it's not an easy task you know and I appreciate the acknowledgement of my effort
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
I don't think you are bigot actually. I think somehow you have arrived at this position of worrying about the perceived threat of Islamism so much that you can't see amy other way, but your way.

It was interesting when I implied your post listing the users who were unhelpful was a witch hunt that you leapt on the fact that one or more of them might not be Muslims... when did I ever say they were? Interesting that

I think your 'witch hunt' for what it is is against people who don't agree with you regardless of their colour or creed actually.
That's it, f1_fan, I don't think I can ever come back from such a devestating critique.

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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Ever think that some of us might not think there is a problem??????????
but there is a massive problem, just cos a few dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist!
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
If there isn't a problem, why is it in the news so often (not just the daily mail ), why has governments acknowledged that there is a unhealthy lack of social integration in various areas of the UK? And why does this thread even exist?

Even if you could pick a bone of contention with the OP, you can't suggest every other person acknowledging there is an issue is a racist?
yes he does, the cry of racist echoes around whenever the subject is brought up, its complete bollocks not being able to discuss this without pc clowns shoiuting racist every time they lose an argument!


Angela Merkel said multi culturalism doesnt work in germany but that fact is quielty forgotten by the pc clowns!


i swear f1 fan is a closet muslim and had brainwashed dci..........
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Hey!!! I love rag-heads, an extra bit to put on fire
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Hey!!! I love rag-heads, an extra bit to put on fire
You're not help here at all you sheep-******** tart!

I heard you mum likes a bit of pork!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Nowhere do I use the word racist word and I actually don't think they are.

So for the last time please stop putting words in my mouth.
Nice, you just accused me of accusing that you are calling people racist - putting words into my mouth! If you look at my post again you see I questioned if you were accusing people on SN being being racist, not that you were (infact it was loaded in hope that you were not, hence the "you can't be suggesting..." bit); In which a simple answer would have sufficed, like what you have just now given; albeit it does seem like your twisting it to look like I have some sort of vendetta, when there is nothing of the sort; How many times have I put words into your mouth?

I can tell you aren't keen on my posts and that is fair enough, but implying I am calling people racist when I am not is pathtic and somewhat low!
Being honest, I really couldn't say if I was keen or not, but I can understand why people will pick a bone with your posts, and I honestly belive it is in the manner in which some people type and that is possibly why they get flack in which they may think is undeserved. See you've just called me pathetic and low and somehow took what I initially posted as being directed at only yourself, not to mention making a deal about me saying that nasty R word. Can you see how other people could take that as a personal insult and get them ruffled up?

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Originally Posted by ALi-B
If there isn't a problem, why is it in the news so often (not just the daily mail ), why has governments acknowledged that there is a unhealthy lack of social integration in various areas of the UK? And why does this thread even exist?

Even if you could pick a bone of contention with the OP, you can't suggest every other person acknowledging there is an issue is a racist?
I for one have never said that there isn't a problem. My point all along has been about the real scale of the 'problem'. My concerns are that if we as a nation react in the way some people on here want, we'll end making the 'problem' so much worse.

Intolerance will breed intolerance.

I also question the extent that people who are so easily outraged by this 'problem', are actually affected by it

It's not about being left wing or right wing, it's about common sense
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
You're not help here at all you sheep-******** tart!

I heard you mum likes a bit of pork!
She also likes bacon
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Originally Posted by GC8WRX
i swear f1 fan is a closet muslim and had brainwashed dci..........
At least I have a brain to wash!!!

And what if I was a Muslim, what the heck is so wrong with it? If the alternitive is being like you I'll take it thanks.

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Nice, you just accused me of accusing that you are calling people racist - putting words into my mouth!. If you look at my post again you see I questioned if you were accusing people on SN being being racist, not that you were (infact it was loaded in hope that you were not, hence the "you can't be suggesting..." bit); In which a simple answer would have sufficed, like what you have just now given; albeit it does seem like your twisting it to look like I have some sort of vendetta, when there is nothing of the sort; How many times have I put words into your mouth?
The only person doing any twisting here is you and you know it.

Originally Posted by ALi-B
Being honest, I really couldn't say if I was keen or not, but I can understand why people will pick a bone with your posts, and I honestly belive it is in the manner in which some people type and that is possibly why they get flack in which they may think is undeserved. See you've just called me pathetic and low and somehow took what I initially posted as being directed at only yourself, not to mention making a deal about me saying that nasty R word. Can you see how other people could take that as a personal insult and get them ruffled up?
Look, if people want to get ruffled up over a post on a forum then I think they need to get a life quite frankly. I post how I do and don't lose any sleep over how others react or how they reply. It's just banter as far as I am concerend. Sorry I can't take it any more seriously than that

Oh and for the record there are people on here who post way more contentiously than I, but that's the Internet for you
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That's it, f1_fan, I don't think I can ever come back from such a devestating critique.
OK bye then
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