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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...lifestyle.html
This is disturbing. I've said before that faith schools should be banned. It's unbelievable they receive state funding.
Education should promote democracy not division.
My worry is that in the rush to adopt poses of political correctness and 'tolerance' this sort of thing is accepted which is a scandal:
"Its website describes Islamic schools as “one of the most important factors which protect Muslim children from the onslaught of Euro-centrism, homosexuality, racism, and secular traditions”. "
This is disturbing. I've said before that faith schools should be banned. It's unbelievable they receive state funding.
Education should promote democracy not division.
My worry is that in the rush to adopt poses of political correctness and 'tolerance' this sort of thing is accepted which is a scandal:
"Its website describes Islamic schools as “one of the most important factors which protect Muslim children from the onslaught of Euro-centrism, homosexuality, racism, and secular traditions”. "
Ofsted praises Islamic schools which oppose Western lifestyle
Ofsted and the Charity Commission are today accused of "whitewashing" hardline Islamic schools which are helping to radicalise a new generation of young British Muslims.
By Andrew Gilligan
Published: 9:00PM GMT 06 Nov 2010
Among the schools directly inspected by Ofsted was the Madani Girls' School, a private Islamic school in London's East End. Photo: WILL WINTERCROSS
An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has established that the education watchdog has published positive reports praising Muslim schools for their contribution to community cohesion — even in the case of a school which openly states that Muslims “oppose the lifestyle of the West”.
The Ofsted inspector responsible for many of the reports, Michele Messaoudi, has been accused of having links to radical Islamist organisations.
This newspaper can reveal that another recent Ofsted inspector, Akram Khan-Cheema, is the chief executive of a radical Muslim educational foundation, IBERR.
Its website describes Islamic schools as “one of the most important factors which protect Muslim children from the onslaught of Euro-centrism, homosexuality, racism, and secular traditions”.
Ofsted has also passed the inspection of dozens of Muslim schools to a new private “faith schools watchdog”, the Bridge Schools Inspectorate, which is co-controlled by Islamic schools’ own lobbying and trade body, the Association of Muslim Schools.
The Bridge Schools Inspectorate allows Muslim head teachers to inspect each other’s schools.
Among the schools directly inspected by Ofsted was the Madani Girls’ School, a private Islamic school in London’s East End.
Its Ofsted report, written by Mrs Messaoudi, said it made pupils “aware of their future role as proactive young British Muslim women” and left them “well-prepared for life in a multicultural society”.
However, the Madani Girls’ School’s own website openly states: “If we oppose the lifestyle of the West, then it does not seem sensible that the teachers and the system which represents that lifestyle should educate our children.”
It says that under western education “our children will distance themselves from Islam until there is nothing left but their beautiful names”.
Last month, this newspaper revealed how girls at the school were being forced to wear the Islamic veil, a fact that was not mentioned in its 2008 Ofsted report. The Madani School declined to comment last night.
Ofsted also inspected the Tawhid Boys’ School in Hackney, north London. Its Ofsted report, written by Mrs Messaoudi, said the curriculum was “good … broad and balanced in Key Stages 2 and 3”.
However, the school’s prospectus says that the curriculum is kept strictly “within the bounds of Sharia [Islamic law].” Its art syllabus bans pupils from drawing human beings, animals and objects that Islam deems “unlawful”. The school did not return calls.
Mrs Messaoudi also wrote the Ofsted report cited by Ed *****, the then schools secretary, as “clearing” schools run by supporters of the racist, extremist sect Hizb ut Tahrir.
The schools, the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation establishments in Haringey, north London, and Slough, Berks, received more than £113,000 of public funding and became the subject of national controversy after being exposed in The Sunday Telegraph.
One of the Foundation’s trustees, Farah Ahmed, who is also headmistress of the Slough school, wrote a chapter in a Hizb ut Tahrir pamphlet attacking the National Curriculum for its “systematic indoctrination” of Muslim children “to build model British citizens”.
She criticised “attempts to integrate Muslim children” into British society as an effort “to produce new generations that reject Islam”.
She described English as “one of the most damaging subjects” a school can teach and attacked fairy tales, saying that these “reflect secular and immoral beliefs that contradict the viewpoint of Islam”.
She also attacked the “obvious dangers” of Shakespeare, including “Romeo and Juliet, which advocates disobeying parents and premarital relations”.
Mrs Messaoudi’s Ofsted report on the Haringey school said it was “satisfactory.”
However, an earlier Ofsted report by a different inspector, only seven months before, had described the school as “inadequate” and had said “more could be done to promote cultural tolerance and harmony”.
The Charity Commission also investigated the school after The Sunday Telegraph articles.
It ruled that there were no concerns over the public funding, saying that since the main Hizb ut Tahrir trustee, Yusra Hamilton, had resigned, it was “not necessary for the commission to examine further the impact of her being a trustee”.
However, Mrs Hamilton only resigned after being exposed in this newspaper, and was a trustee of the schools at the time the public money was paid. She continues to work with children as a volunteer at the Haringey school.
Mrs Ahmed has confirmed that she was a member of Hizb ut Tahrir, and refused to deny that she still shared its views.
“This report is deeply intellectually dishonest,” said Hannah Stuart, of the Centre for Social Cohesion think-tank, which has closely investigated Hizb ut Tahrir.
“You can clearly see that they knew exactly what went on, yet bent over backwards to cover their own backs.”
The Charity Commission said last night that it had found “no evidence that Hizb ut-Tahrir ideology was being taught at or brought into the school”.
Mrs Messaoudi has written a book published by the Islamic Foundation, Britain’s foremost centre of Islamist intellectual thought.
According to the website of the hardline Islamist “Global Peace and Unity” (GPU) conference, both she and Mr Khan-Cheema were judges for its education awards held last week. GPU is organised by the Islam Channel, a digital TV station which hosts a number of fundamentalist and extremist presenters.
A number of extremists spoke at the GPU event, though moderates also appeared, and items glorifying terrorism were on open sale there. Mrs Messaoudi was also listed as a judge for the 2008 GPU awards.
Mrs Messaoudi declined to comment last night. However, Ofsted, speaking on behalf of Mrs Messaoudi and Mr Khan-Cheema, said they were both “experienced professionals and we have no reason to doubt their ability in conducting inspections”.
It said Mrs Messaoudi’s clearing of the Shakhsiyah school was in a report “specifically designed as a follow-up to ensure that the school had undertaken the improvements required as a result of our first inspection”.
Nord Anglia Education, which employed Mr Khan-Cheema on contract to Ofsted, declined to comment.
Sources said Mrs Messaoudi had criticised some Muslim schools for Ofsted and her judgments of the Madani School were not wholly uncritical. Ofsted said its inspections generally were “thorough, rigorous and methodical”.
Many Muslim schools, however, are not inspected by Ofsted at all. Within the past two years, the watchdog has passed the scrutiny of many private “faith” schools to the Bridge Schools Inspectorate, a joint venture between the Christian Schools’ Trust and the Association of Muslim Schools.
Unlike “mainline” Ofsted inspections, which are carried out entirely by professional inspectors, BSI inspections of Muslim schools are often done by a team of three which always includes one head teacher of another Muslim school.
The BSI report into Bury Park Educational Institute, a mixed but gender-segregated Muslim secondary in Luton, claims that “the quality of education is good” even though the report itself admits that girls at the school get less teaching than boys.
“Some aspects of National Curriculum subjects are in a few respects currently less for the girls than for the boys,” it says, and there is not yet “full, equal access to National Curriculum subjects” between girls and boys.
Girls, says the report, are sometimes denied the opportunity for PE, “which they say they miss”. There is no suggestion that Bury Park teaches separatist views or opposition to British society.
One of the BSI inspectors who wrote the report into Bury Park, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of the controversial charity Interpal, which is banned in the United States having been accused of supporting the terrorist group Hamas.
Interpal insists that it does not support Hamas and the Charity Commission has cleared Interpal. Mr Hewitt is also a headmaster of a Muslim school in Leicester and a senior member of the ruling “shura”, or executive committee, of the Association of Muslim Schools.
Mohammed Mukadam, a spokesman for BSI and also chairman of the Association of Muslim Schools, said: “All our inspections are led by former HMIs [professional inspectors].
"The conflict of interest argument would be valid if our head teachers were leading the inspections, but there is no conflict of interest. Our schools tell us that BSI inspections are much more rigorous than Ofsted’s.”
On behalf of the AMS, he admitted: “There are some schools which are actively opposed to certain British values. But a new generation of schools is coming in with a better understanding of the British context.”
Ms Stuart, of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “A whole generation is being brought up to at the very least suspect, and perhaps even despise, the society they will have to live in. This is deeply worrying for the future of community cohesion.
“By whitewashing these schools, Ofsted and the Charity Commission are being negligent in their responsibility to protect children in their formative years.”
Ofsted and the Charity Commission are today accused of "whitewashing" hardline Islamic schools which are helping to radicalise a new generation of young British Muslims.
By Andrew Gilligan
Published: 9:00PM GMT 06 Nov 2010
Among the schools directly inspected by Ofsted was the Madani Girls' School, a private Islamic school in London's East End. Photo: WILL WINTERCROSS
An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has established that the education watchdog has published positive reports praising Muslim schools for their contribution to community cohesion — even in the case of a school which openly states that Muslims “oppose the lifestyle of the West”.
The Ofsted inspector responsible for many of the reports, Michele Messaoudi, has been accused of having links to radical Islamist organisations.
This newspaper can reveal that another recent Ofsted inspector, Akram Khan-Cheema, is the chief executive of a radical Muslim educational foundation, IBERR.
Its website describes Islamic schools as “one of the most important factors which protect Muslim children from the onslaught of Euro-centrism, homosexuality, racism, and secular traditions”.
Ofsted has also passed the inspection of dozens of Muslim schools to a new private “faith schools watchdog”, the Bridge Schools Inspectorate, which is co-controlled by Islamic schools’ own lobbying and trade body, the Association of Muslim Schools.
The Bridge Schools Inspectorate allows Muslim head teachers to inspect each other’s schools.
Among the schools directly inspected by Ofsted was the Madani Girls’ School, a private Islamic school in London’s East End.
Its Ofsted report, written by Mrs Messaoudi, said it made pupils “aware of their future role as proactive young British Muslim women” and left them “well-prepared for life in a multicultural society”.
However, the Madani Girls’ School’s own website openly states: “If we oppose the lifestyle of the West, then it does not seem sensible that the teachers and the system which represents that lifestyle should educate our children.”
It says that under western education “our children will distance themselves from Islam until there is nothing left but their beautiful names”.
Last month, this newspaper revealed how girls at the school were being forced to wear the Islamic veil, a fact that was not mentioned in its 2008 Ofsted report. The Madani School declined to comment last night.
Ofsted also inspected the Tawhid Boys’ School in Hackney, north London. Its Ofsted report, written by Mrs Messaoudi, said the curriculum was “good … broad and balanced in Key Stages 2 and 3”.
However, the school’s prospectus says that the curriculum is kept strictly “within the bounds of Sharia [Islamic law].” Its art syllabus bans pupils from drawing human beings, animals and objects that Islam deems “unlawful”. The school did not return calls.
Mrs Messaoudi also wrote the Ofsted report cited by Ed *****, the then schools secretary, as “clearing” schools run by supporters of the racist, extremist sect Hizb ut Tahrir.
The schools, the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation establishments in Haringey, north London, and Slough, Berks, received more than £113,000 of public funding and became the subject of national controversy after being exposed in The Sunday Telegraph.
One of the Foundation’s trustees, Farah Ahmed, who is also headmistress of the Slough school, wrote a chapter in a Hizb ut Tahrir pamphlet attacking the National Curriculum for its “systematic indoctrination” of Muslim children “to build model British citizens”.
She criticised “attempts to integrate Muslim children” into British society as an effort “to produce new generations that reject Islam”.
She described English as “one of the most damaging subjects” a school can teach and attacked fairy tales, saying that these “reflect secular and immoral beliefs that contradict the viewpoint of Islam”.
She also attacked the “obvious dangers” of Shakespeare, including “Romeo and Juliet, which advocates disobeying parents and premarital relations”.
Mrs Messaoudi’s Ofsted report on the Haringey school said it was “satisfactory.”
However, an earlier Ofsted report by a different inspector, only seven months before, had described the school as “inadequate” and had said “more could be done to promote cultural tolerance and harmony”.
The Charity Commission also investigated the school after The Sunday Telegraph articles.
It ruled that there were no concerns over the public funding, saying that since the main Hizb ut Tahrir trustee, Yusra Hamilton, had resigned, it was “not necessary for the commission to examine further the impact of her being a trustee”.
However, Mrs Hamilton only resigned after being exposed in this newspaper, and was a trustee of the schools at the time the public money was paid. She continues to work with children as a volunteer at the Haringey school.
Mrs Ahmed has confirmed that she was a member of Hizb ut Tahrir, and refused to deny that she still shared its views.
“This report is deeply intellectually dishonest,” said Hannah Stuart, of the Centre for Social Cohesion think-tank, which has closely investigated Hizb ut Tahrir.
“You can clearly see that they knew exactly what went on, yet bent over backwards to cover their own backs.”
The Charity Commission said last night that it had found “no evidence that Hizb ut-Tahrir ideology was being taught at or brought into the school”.
Mrs Messaoudi has written a book published by the Islamic Foundation, Britain’s foremost centre of Islamist intellectual thought.
According to the website of the hardline Islamist “Global Peace and Unity” (GPU) conference, both she and Mr Khan-Cheema were judges for its education awards held last week. GPU is organised by the Islam Channel, a digital TV station which hosts a number of fundamentalist and extremist presenters.
A number of extremists spoke at the GPU event, though moderates also appeared, and items glorifying terrorism were on open sale there. Mrs Messaoudi was also listed as a judge for the 2008 GPU awards.
Mrs Messaoudi declined to comment last night. However, Ofsted, speaking on behalf of Mrs Messaoudi and Mr Khan-Cheema, said they were both “experienced professionals and we have no reason to doubt their ability in conducting inspections”.
It said Mrs Messaoudi’s clearing of the Shakhsiyah school was in a report “specifically designed as a follow-up to ensure that the school had undertaken the improvements required as a result of our first inspection”.
Nord Anglia Education, which employed Mr Khan-Cheema on contract to Ofsted, declined to comment.
Sources said Mrs Messaoudi had criticised some Muslim schools for Ofsted and her judgments of the Madani School were not wholly uncritical. Ofsted said its inspections generally were “thorough, rigorous and methodical”.
Many Muslim schools, however, are not inspected by Ofsted at all. Within the past two years, the watchdog has passed the scrutiny of many private “faith” schools to the Bridge Schools Inspectorate, a joint venture between the Christian Schools’ Trust and the Association of Muslim Schools.
Unlike “mainline” Ofsted inspections, which are carried out entirely by professional inspectors, BSI inspections of Muslim schools are often done by a team of three which always includes one head teacher of another Muslim school.
The BSI report into Bury Park Educational Institute, a mixed but gender-segregated Muslim secondary in Luton, claims that “the quality of education is good” even though the report itself admits that girls at the school get less teaching than boys.
“Some aspects of National Curriculum subjects are in a few respects currently less for the girls than for the boys,” it says, and there is not yet “full, equal access to National Curriculum subjects” between girls and boys.
Girls, says the report, are sometimes denied the opportunity for PE, “which they say they miss”. There is no suggestion that Bury Park teaches separatist views or opposition to British society.
One of the BSI inspectors who wrote the report into Bury Park, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of the controversial charity Interpal, which is banned in the United States having been accused of supporting the terrorist group Hamas.
Interpal insists that it does not support Hamas and the Charity Commission has cleared Interpal. Mr Hewitt is also a headmaster of a Muslim school in Leicester and a senior member of the ruling “shura”, or executive committee, of the Association of Muslim Schools.
Mohammed Mukadam, a spokesman for BSI and also chairman of the Association of Muslim Schools, said: “All our inspections are led by former HMIs [professional inspectors].
"The conflict of interest argument would be valid if our head teachers were leading the inspections, but there is no conflict of interest. Our schools tell us that BSI inspections are much more rigorous than Ofsted’s.”
On behalf of the AMS, he admitted: “There are some schools which are actively opposed to certain British values. But a new generation of schools is coming in with a better understanding of the British context.”
Ms Stuart, of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “A whole generation is being brought up to at the very least suspect, and perhaps even despise, the society they will have to live in. This is deeply worrying for the future of community cohesion.
“By whitewashing these schools, Ofsted and the Charity Commission are being negligent in their responsibility to protect children in their formative years.”
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It's all utter bolloc*s it irritates me that they can have a muslim only school yet if an ordinary school decided they only want to teach white children muslims would soon complain. We are supposed to be a multi-cultural country but I fail to see why people should accept other religions/races into our country if they have no interest in mixing with a different religion/race themselves.
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It's all utter bolloc*s it irritates me that they can have a muslim only school yet if an ordinary school decided they only want to teach white children muslims would soon complain. We are supposed to be a multi-cultural country but I fail to see why people should accept other religions/races into our country if they have no interest in mixing with a different religion/race themselves.
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It's hardly surprisingly when you read on to parts such as
This country really is in a dire situation thanks to all the left wing do-gooders such as Martin2005 and such like, who are too naive to see what's actually happening.
Ofsted inspector, Akram Khan-Cheema, is the chief executive of a radical Muslim educational foundation, IBERR.
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f1_fan also states that there isn't an issue.
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https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=46
Every time it's discussed he attacks the individual and never the point. I believe that the likes of him, Martin2005 and others who refuse to acknowledge the threat are as much of a danger as the threat itself. It's telling however that they're incapable of presenting a credible counter; all that ever occurs is denial without presenting evidence to support it. The reason: there is no counter evidence but the two of them don't want to lose face. They'll just keep on attacking the person, they can't attack the point because they don't have any ammunition.
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Every time it's discussed he attacks the individual and never the point. I believe that the likes of him, Martin2005 and others who refuse to acknowledge the threat are as much of a danger as the threat itself. It's telling however that they're incapable of presenting a credible counter; all that ever occurs is denial without presenting evidence to support it. The reason: there is no counter evidence but the two of them don't want to lose face. They'll just keep on attacking the person, they can't attack the point because they don't have any ammunition.
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f1_fan also states that there isn't an issue.
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https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=46
Every time it's discussed he attacks the individual and never the point. I believe that the likes of him, Martin2005 and others who refuse to acknowledge the threat are as much of a danger as the threat itself. It's telling however that they're incapable of presenting a credible counter; all that ever occurs is denial without presenting evidence to support it. The reason: there is no counter evidence but the two of them don't want to lose face. They'll just keep on attacking the person, they can't attack the point because they don't have any ammunition.
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https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=46
Every time it's discussed he attacks the individual and never the point. I believe that the likes of him, Martin2005 and others who refuse to acknowledge the threat are as much of a danger as the threat itself. It's telling however that they're incapable of presenting a credible counter; all that ever occurs is denial without presenting evidence to support it. The reason: there is no counter evidence but the two of them don't want to lose face. They'll just keep on attacking the person, they can't attack the point because they don't have any ammunition.
Tony de W and JT,
I am going to be 100% honest with you here. At times you come across to me like you are conducting a witch hunt in NSR as regards Muslims. You say otherwise and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, but even then I seriously doubt that no matter what argument any Muslims were able to present it wouldn't be enough for you to ever change your views.
Given that, I seriously doubt the Muslims on SN would feel the desire to enagage on these threads.
Just a thought.
I am going to be 100% honest with you here. At times you come across to me like you are conducting a witch hunt in NSR as regards Muslims. You say otherwise and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, but even then I seriously doubt that no matter what argument any Muslims were able to present it wouldn't be enough for you to ever change your views.
Given that, I seriously doubt the Muslims on SN would feel the desire to enagage on these threads.
Just a thought.
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This isn't in any way shape or form a "debate"...... and there's not the audience on NSR to support one anyway, so if JT and TDW (the retarded ****) really feel the need to debate this then perhaps they need to try it somewhere more suitable - muslimnet, islamnet, edlnet, whitepowernet, etc.
But all you'll get on here is "Yeah those muslims are taking liberty's" type comments.
But all you'll get on here is "Yeah those muslims are taking liberty's" type comments.
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It's all utter bolloc*s it irritates me that they can have a muslim only school yet if an ordinary school decided they only want to teach white children muslims would soon complain. We are supposed to be a multi-cultural country but I fail to see why people should accept other religions/races into our country if they have no interest in mixing with a different religion/race themselves.
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This isn't in any way shape or form a "debate"...... and there's not the audience on NSR to support one anyway, so if JT and TDW (the retarded ****) really feel the need to debate this then perhaps they need to try it somewhere more suitable - muslimnet, islamnet, edlnet, whitepowernet, etc.
But all you'll get on here is "Yeah those muslims are taking liberty's" type comments.
But all you'll get on here is "Yeah those muslims are taking liberty's" type comments.
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This means nothing. You never counter the point, f1_fan, because you can't. You keep claiming that that there's no problem with Islamism in this country but never state why. You attack the person, criticise their spelling, tell them this isn't the forum or try to derail the discussion but you never present an actual argument. You can't, because there isn't one.
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I don't think they're going to hit their recruitment targets for Q3/Q4 2010
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Banning faith schools would amount to religious persecution and would be entirely wrong. No school should be banned on the basis that it is sponsored by a particular religion. The fact that you may be an atheist TDW does not give you the right to make such a pronouncement. Incidentally the decline of the Christian element in this country has led to the moral decay in so many respects that we see now.
Preaching against this country is another matter and such people should not be here if they are not prepared to uphold our society,our law and our traditions. I regard such teachings as seditious and treasonable and should be treated as such.
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Preaching against this country is another matter and such people should not be here if they are not prepared to uphold our society,our law and our traditions. I regard such teachings as seditious and treasonable and should be treated as such.
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This isn't in any way shape or form a "debate"...... and there's not the audience on NSR to support one anyway, so if JT and TDW (the retarded ****) really feel the need to debate this then perhaps they need to try it somewhere more suitable - muslimnet, islamnet, edlnet, whitepowernet, etc.
But all you'll get on here is "Yeah those muslims are taking liberty's" type comments.
But all you'll get on here is "Yeah those muslims are taking liberty's" type comments.
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nice to see a lovely bit of racism on a sunday morning....I know forums are mainly for debating and finding answers but it gets abit boring when certian people keep banging on about the same things on a car forum.
Why dont the mods do something about it ordo they just let it carry on.
If so maybe we could have a sub section called anti everything coloured and maybe get the BNP to sponser it
Why dont the mods do something about it ordo they just let it carry on.
If so maybe we could have a sub section called anti everything coloured and maybe get the BNP to sponser it
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This means nothing. You never counter the point, f1_fan, because you can't. You keep claiming that that there's no problem with Islamism in this country but never state why. You attack the person, criticise their spelling, tell them this isn't the forum or try to derail the discussion but you never present an actual argument. You can't, because there isn't one.
You and your chum keep saying you have never met a Muslim who can successfully argue against your beliefs on this matter.
Well I would say if you only post on a UK fourm about Japanese cars you are not bloody likely to. LOL!
Why not go on one of the Islam/Muslim forums and see how you get on there... you will get plenty of Muslims willing to engage you and you never know you maybe able to convince them all what you already 'know' and solve the 'problem' once and for all.
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I'm not scared JT, just:
1. Bored
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4. Can't see the point in your posts that bang on and on and on about something that's of no real interest.
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You really need to go away have a cup of tea (fruit flavoured if you like) and think how all your "islama-rants" are being perceived....
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4. Can't see the point in your posts that bang on and on and on about something that's of no real interest.
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You really need to go away have a cup of tea (fruit flavoured if you like) and think how all your "islama-rants" are being perceived....
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and if you enjoy it so much **** off to another forum where people may give a **** about your views
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Personal attacks, no reasonable argument, just personal attacks. There's no reasonable agument being made because there isn't one to be made. The racist card is always a good last resort - well done! This is not genetic, it's ideological.
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As the poster above said you enjoy it too much. Your posts on the end of the Turkish accession thread revelling in the two posters offering each other outside for a fight don't exactly add weight to your argument of wanting serious debate.
As DCI says you don't come across how you think you do... it seems a part of you just posts these treads to see them turn into a bunfight while you sit back and admire 'your work'
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Scoobynet's like a pub, where all your mates go... and a few others who you know of but maybe not on a matey level. As you walk into the pub you see a couple of people who you know, one's a mate ones a **** EVERY time you see them all they bang on about is muslim this islam that.... now do you:
a) walk over to them knowing you'll spend all night talking about muslims
b) pretend you didn't see them and head straight for the bar (hoping to blend in with some other mates)
c) be a proper mate and tell them they're banging on like a couple of EDL supporters, before heading to the bar
That's how I feel about this latest wave of muslim/islamist ****e....
a) walk over to them knowing you'll spend all night talking about muslims
b) pretend you didn't see them and head straight for the bar (hoping to blend in with some other mates)
c) be a proper mate and tell them they're banging on like a couple of EDL supporters, before heading to the bar
That's how I feel about this latest wave of muslim/islamist ****e....
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Look I don't wish to get personal, but calling someone incapable just because they don't want to argue with you against something you have just admitted you believe there to be no argument against is just pathetic.
As the poster above said you enjoy it too much. Your posts on the end of the Turkish accession thread revelling in the two posters offering each other outside for a fight don't exactly add weight to your argument of wanting serious debate.
As DCI says you don't come across how you think you do... it seems a part of you just posts these treads to see them turn into a bunfight while you sit back and admire 'your work'
As the poster above said you enjoy it too much. Your posts on the end of the Turkish accession thread revelling in the two posters offering each other outside for a fight don't exactly add weight to your argument of wanting serious debate.
As DCI says you don't come across how you think you do... it seems a part of you just posts these treads to see them turn into a bunfight while you sit back and admire 'your work'
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Scoobynet's like a pub, where all your mates go... and a few others who you know of but maybe not on a matey level. As you walk into the pub you see a couple of people who you know, one's a mate ones a **** EVERY time you see them all they bang on about is muslim this islam that.... now do you:
a) walk over to them knowing you'll spend all night talking about muslims
b) pretend you didn't see them and head straight for the bar (hoping to blend in with some other mates)
c) be a proper mate and tell them they're banging on like a couple of EDL supporters, before heading to the bar
That's how I feel about this latest wave of muslim/islamist ****e....
a) walk over to them knowing you'll spend all night talking about muslims
b) pretend you didn't see them and head straight for the bar (hoping to blend in with some other mates)
c) be a proper mate and tell them they're banging on like a couple of EDL supporters, before heading to the bar
That's how I feel about this latest wave of muslim/islamist ****e....
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Scoobynet's like a pub, where all your mates go... and a few others who you know of but maybe not on a matey level. As you walk into the pub you see a couple of people who you know, one's a mate ones a **** EVERY time you see them all they bang on about is muslim this islam that.... now do you:
a) walk over to them knowing you'll spend all night talking about muslims
b) pretend you didn't see them and head straight for the bar (hoping to blend in with some other mates)
c) be a proper mate and tell them they're banging on like a couple of EDL supporters, before heading to the bar
That's how I feel about this latest wave of muslim/islamist ****e....
a) walk over to them knowing you'll spend all night talking about muslims
b) pretend you didn't see them and head straight for the bar (hoping to blend in with some other mates)
c) be a proper mate and tell them they're banging on like a couple of EDL supporters, before heading to the bar
That's how I feel about this latest wave of muslim/islamist ****e....