Terminator X

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Why won't you tell us where it's being tested?

TX.

Stevesbluewrx

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Well done mate. Great results. Goes to show, don't try ,won't know.

What is the full spec of the car etc?

Steve

scoobyhoobydoo

I have checked both Skynews and BBC News 24 but and not sure where I can see this live? Can someone tell me if this will be on the red button or we will be moving away from the miners in Chile?

Terminator X

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I think you're wrong there fella ... the big issue is merely what appears to be a really high RR result from a turbo that usually produces a lot less ie 15% less, coupled with strange IT/AT readings. Don't take it personal

TX.

Lewak

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Should be live at 1600hrs on skynews... think its taking over the Chili miners too

f4la k

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With everythin set up properly today (car+rollers), Im goin to say the car will make 354.6bhp.. Closest guess wins a 450hp (vf35)....

Allright Harvey, Its John here from up Ayrshire, hows it goin, hope your keepin well. The last time i spoke to you, i was chasin injector seals ( couple of month ago) before Andy f maped the car. Will speak to ye soon as i'll be lookin for some more quaility tested bits and bobs.

harvey

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Big D
[quote]I have accepted the IT temp is wrong what more do you want me to do? [quote]

Quite simply, all you had to do, for the umpteenth time, was to do ask Subaru4U for an explanation of the exceptionally high intake figure and the logged correction factor that resulted in your exaggerated power figure of 382 bhp. That would have been an end of the matter.
That simple but you have resisted this throughout. Why?
I do not think you are stupid enough not to recognise the how signifigant this is. Certainly not now you and everyone else who was not know previously aware, has been shown the effect of signifigantly high ITs on DD equipment.
The reason for your exaggerated power figure has been clearly demonstrated to you. [It does not alter the fact you had a good result anyway and you also have a spectacular quarter mile time]
You apparently do not have enough knowledge to refute the facts but any other DynoDynamics RR operator will have the ability to confirm or find fault with the information I have presented, S4U included.
Why have you not been supported by S4U if what you are saying is correct. It is the erronious IT reading that resulted in your innacurate result and presumably they want to put that right so I assume your RR run today is for free.
Previously you said you had not changed your inlet air system and previously AT and IT were close together. That has been your position until today. Now, conveniently you are trying to come up with an explanation that the heatshield does get hot or some such crap. Do you think that the people who are reading this thread that have been around Subarus or rolling roads for a decade and contibuted to the development of Subarus over that time are stupid. Your bluff and bluster may lead some people with little knowledge to believe or hope your 382 was a credible result. We are not interested in the temperature of your heatshield. Do you remember your assurance that nothing had changed? That is totally irrelevant. It is the inlet air temperature that is relevant and that is usually, in an efficient Dyno Cell 1 or 2 degrees above ambient. Again, Simon Roe posted over the weekend results from a 669 bhp car at S4U with, despite the power and presumably great engine heat, an IT of +3C on AT.
The more you post the deeper the hole you are digging for yourself and while I am only one of a few pointing out the effect of the temperature and inaccuracy of your result, I assure you that your credibility with those knowledgable on this subject is shot to hell and many are waiting to see the results from S4U.
Now we already have your published results with the relevant values and you are about to run again. All we have to do is compare the two and if the corrected results vary much from your previous result then changes have been made to your engine running conditions eg fuel. This is not rocket science.
Simple.

Sorry Leewak. You are obviously an impertinent person as well as lacking in knowledge.

What was the question, I must have missed it.
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harvey

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Cheers John. Thanks for the good wishes. I think your figure is a bit on the low side, assuming the car is still on road petrol at 1.4 bar. I would say 357-359 bhp same as last week and 360.1 would be incredible.

benno22

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Allright Harvey, Its John here from up Ayrshire, hows it goin, hope your keepin well. The last time i spoke to you, i was chasin injector seals ( couple of month ago) before Andy f maped the car. Will speak to ye soon as i'll be lookin for some more quaility tested bits and bobs.[/quote]

john, might know someone with a 382bhp VF35 for sale if ur interested mate...

angry_boy

Lovin' this thread!! Funny, interesting, informative! Infotainment at its very best!!
Can't wait for the reults, can I subscribe to a txt alert?!!

Lewak

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Here is one of the questions i have asked Harvey!

(quote)Sorry Leewak. You are obviously an impertinent person as well as lacking in knowledge.(quote)

Every respone u have made so far has been an assay. All i am saying is i would like a simple response not a full blown assay on my question. To me its seems you would still say its not possible if Iains car pulls 382.8bhp again today with all this AT and IT stuff was correct.

yes i don't have any Knowledge on rolling roads. All i thought was that it went on you got a graph with information and a figure and that was that.

Yes i shall be reading up on it and other information.

Berks-Jack

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T - 1 hour

techno_brat

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slightly off subject but was just thinking while waiting for the live update lol, anyone who has a vf35 fitted to a 5 speed impreza, what sort of spool do you have? i.e. how much boost at 3k r.p.m. when you reach max boost and what gears? any info would be nice thanks guys

Lewak

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I have a 35 in mine wastage ported but not with uprated actuator yet and with Cat still fitted on a Ver 3 STI 1997. Max boost is 1.4bar which i think in 4th gear is just short of 4k rpm

3rd gear 1.0bar at just 3900rpm
4th gear 1.0bar at around 3500rpm.

These are just a guess as its hard to ready my boost and rpm at the sametime.

Also car hasn't been mapped for my 35yet. previous turbo was a 23

Hope this helps u abit.

Tidgy

your actualy boosting a car without it being mapped?

Lewak

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Those are a test i carried out once only

I currently run the car off boost as its my daily drive also and on my safety map.

techno_brat

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what other mods have you done? yeah the remap will help alot, as that seems quite high for a vf35, beinteresting to see what difference it makes

harvey

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Leewak :
As Micky WRX states on his avatar :

I was going to leave it at that but in your case I will make an exception.
Firstly can we clarify, do you mean assay or essay? They have quite different meanings and I think we should be clear exactly what you mean. Borrow a dictionary if you need to check if your words are mixed up.

You are welcome to guess at anything you want. You profess to have no knowledge on rolling roads and pressumably power figures, IATs and ATs or their effect on power output but you are quite happy to come to the conclusion that :

when you do not even by your own addmission appreciate the relevance of the information presented.

Well you thought wromg Wak.
Can I ask, have you actually read this thread or is it that you just do not understand what has been written previously by several people. Go back and read it if you can be bothered. There are a number of ways that a rolling road result can be quite innacurate, both accidentally or deliberatelt as others have referred to previously, not just me. Might be worth reading through from the beginning.
Did you miss the bit about the reason for standard climatic conditions or did you just not understand?
There are many ways to make a mistake with RR results and I expect that is the explanation here. However there are also ways to manipulate the results. Easiest is probably to run a methanol mix and maintain it is road petrol. That is detectable when a previous rolling road graph on the same rollers is available when the spec is unaltered.

Anyway, I digress. If the RR run is done on the same rollers today and the climatic data is credible I am happy to accept that Big D's car makes whatever it does make in its current state with whatever fuel it is using on the run today.
Incidentally, that has always been my position. The problem as most knowledgable people on these matters have worked out for themselves is that the original climatic data is skewed hence the result is innacurate. The extent of that innacuracy is in accordance with the calculations I already presented.

I do hope that clears all this up for you.

Lewak

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My spec at pressent:
vf35 WG ported
440cc injects _limiting me to around 350bhp (had upgraded them but was just a name not in cc my own fault)
hks front mount
hks cat back exhaust system soon to have a decat after tomorrow
simtek ecu
hks DV
Apexi Con Airfilter

Once i have had it remapped i should have a faster spool and a lot lower down the rev range too.

scooby L

I'm no expert Leewak, but from reading Harvey's "essays" I can see where he's coming from, and I'm surprised you do not.
The R/R uses the AT/IT difference in adjusting the quoted power... if these temps are seperated by more than 3 degs it includes a correction... so by having 29 degs difference you can see by that time the correction (invented by the r/road, nothing to do with Iain's car power BTW) will be quite significant.. This is why Harvey is questioning the quoted 382..no other reason.

Tidgy

two gears at once, impressive.

boost figures are a total waste of time when its not mapped for it, mapping can make massive difference to boost level's and spool.

harvey

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5 speed box STi 3-6 typically 1 bar in 4th, fully warmed 3200-3400. Certainly not more and sometimes less.
Not wise to go trying this if the car is mapped for a VF23. Could end in great expense.

techno_brat

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a fpr will help then to save upgrading injectors again. should see some good figures and a very useable power on the road.

any others with the vf35?

benno22

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reckon Big 'D' is getting ready for the rollers now..... can't wait!!

techno_brat

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harvey, what about in a newage wrx 5 speed? just trying to compare with my vf28, its a MY03, prodrive downpipe, de-cat up pipe, 550's and a sti intercooler, 3rd makes 1bar at around 3200, then max 1.3 at around 3500, 4th about 3000 and max at 3300 and 5th at about 2800 and 1.3 at about 3000.

Lewak

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Well thats a nice read

First off all i have been following the thread from the begining.
I have said i don't have much if any knowledge on RR'ds (i am reading up on this)

I asked the question a stated because how you was coming across sounded to me IMHO that there was no way a VF35 could run 382.8bhp on just Vpower. Hence me asking the question.

Oh and there is know need to talk down to me like i'm a completed **** Whit i ask a simple question yet you went off on one.

(if i have taken they way you have come across to me wrong i appologyies but i'm sure using a smily might have made it more obvious how u was being in the response )

Matty WRX

So what does my 2001 Bug WRX have then chaps?

Great info in this thread, making for a good T break read each day

benno22

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just checked, Big 'D' is online!!!

Matty WRX

So what does my 2001 Bug WRX have then chaps?

Great info in this thread, making for a good T break read each day

Lewak

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if i use a FPR what power would i get from my current injectors? I know max at 3.5bar pressure i would see about 346bhp. was thinking of going for 550cc's to leave myself room to play.???